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HDTV1080P · 04-13-2009, 07:15 PM

The Panasonic G10 series 1080P flat panel Plasma's has been added to the list

(unwatchable flicker Issue at 48Hz)

In keeping with the tradition of adding any brand and model of display that refreshes 1080P/24 at correct refresh rates and avoids the 3:2 pull down process I have added the following displays to the current in production and coming soon list (list number 1).

Panasonic TC-P42G10 (48HZ)

Panasonic TC-P46G10 (48HZ)

Panasonic TC-P50G10 (48HZ)

Panasonic TC-P54G10 (48HZ)

Warning about the G10 series unwatchable flicker

Even though the Panasonic G10 has 48HZ refresh rates for 1080P/24 it should be noted that according to the CNET review and HD GURO review the Panasonic G10 series is unwatchable with an ignoring flicker when a 1080P/24 signal is received while using the 48HZ film mode. All 4 sizes of the G10 series displays have the exact same specs and the only difference is power consumption, weight, and dimensions. All these displays are THX certified. It amazes me that the 48HZ film quality mode has an unwatchable flicker and the THX certification is still given to the Panasonic displays. Every movie theater uses true 24fps at 48HZ, 72HZ or higher without this unwatchable flicker issue. THX should start looking at the 1080p/24 performance quality of a display before a display can be certified with the THX logo.

Panasonic spec sheet on the G10 series http://www.panasonic.com/apps/match-maker/assets/pdf/viera/pdp/2009_VIERA_G10_PDP_SpecSheet.pdf

Quote from CNET website on the G10 review
" The company also includes a "24p direct in" setting that's available when the TV detects a 1080p/24 source, typically from a Blu-ray Disc. As with the PZ800U and 850U models from last year, choosing the "48Hz" setting, as opposed to the standard 60Hz setting, causes the display to refresh at 48Hz to match the 24fps cadence of film. And as with last year's sets, selecting 48Hz on the G10 causes flicker--more intense in brighter areas, but visible pretty much constantly--that basically renders the image unwatchable. We don't expect any of the videophiles toward whom this setting is aimed to stand for the flicker, so we kept the G10 set to 60Hz. It's worth noting that the step-up V10 series refreshes at 96Hz, according to Panasonic, so the flicker shouldn't be a problem on those sets."
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50g10/4505-6482_7-33497901-2.html?tag=txt;page

Quote from HD Guru website on the G10 review

" The TCP50G1 accepts 1080p/24 signals that may be displayed at 48Hz or 60 Hz. Like last year’s TH50PZ850 reviewed here, the 48 Hz rate suffers from image flicker and is deemed unwatchable. Use the 60 Hz mode."
http://hdguru.com/panasonic-tcp50g10-50-plasma-review/416/

04-13-2009, 07:15 PM	#729 (permalink)
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Guru Join Date: Jan 2007 Trading Score: (0) Collection: (0) HT Gallery: (0)	The Panasonic G10 series 1080P flat panel Plasma's has been added to the list (unwatchable flicker Issue at 48Hz) In keeping with the tradition of adding any brand and model of display that refreshes 1080P/24 at correct refresh rates and avoids the 3:2 pull down process I have added the following displays to the current in production and coming soon list (list number 1). Panasonic TC-P42G10 (48HZ) Panasonic TC-P46G10 (48HZ) Panasonic TC-P50G10 (48HZ) Panasonic TC-P54G10 (48HZ) Warning about the G10 series unwatchable flicker Even though the Panasonic G10 has 48HZ refresh rates for 1080P/24 it should be noted that according to the CNET review and HD GURO review the Panasonic G10 series is unwatchable with an ignoring flicker when a 1080P/24 signal is received while using the 48HZ film mode. All 4 sizes of the G10 series displays have the exact same specs and the only difference is power consumption, weight, and dimensions. All these displays are THX certified. It amazes me that the 48HZ film quality mode has an unwatchable flicker and the THX certification is still given to the Panasonic displays. Every movie theater uses true 24fps at 48HZ, 72HZ or higher without this unwatchable flicker issue. THX should start looking at the 1080p/24 performance quality of a display before a display can be certified with the THX logo. Panasonic spec sheet on the G10 series http://www.panasonic.com/apps/match-maker/assets/pdf/viera/pdp/2009_VIERA_G10_PDP_SpecSheet.pdf Quote from CNET website on the G10 review " The company also includes a "24p direct in" setting that's available when the TV detects a 1080p/24 source, typically from a Blu-ray Disc. As with the PZ800U and 850U models from last year, choosing the "48Hz" setting, as opposed to the standard 60Hz setting, causes the display to refresh at 48Hz to match the 24fps cadence of film. And as with last year's sets, selecting 48Hz on the G10 causes flicker--more intense in brighter areas, but visible pretty much constantly--that basically renders the image unwatchable. We don't expect any of the videophiles toward whom this setting is aimed to stand for the flicker, so we kept the G10 set to 60Hz. It's worth noting that the step-up V10 series refreshes at 96Hz, according to Panasonic, so the flicker shouldn't be a problem on those sets." http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50g10/4505-6482_7-33497901-2.html?tag=txt;page Quote from HD Guru website on the G10 review " The TCP50G1 accepts 1080p/24 signals that may be displayed at 48Hz or 60 Hz. Like last year’s TH50PZ850 reviewed here, the 48 Hz rate suffers from image flicker and is deemed unwatchable. Use the 60 Hz mode." http://hdguru.com/panasonic-tcp50g10-50-plasma-review/416/ Last edited by HDTV1080P; 04-13-2009 at 08:30 PM.