Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen Megathread

[Jumpman]

steve,

All of our modern technology: microwaves, televisions, XBoxs, PS3s, Dyson power vacuum cleaners, etc are reverse engineered from Megatron. In the first film, they explain that NBE1 is where it all comes from. Since Megatron is essentially an evil character down to this "engineerring" then it would stand to reason that when we copied that engineering, we also copied the faulty technology that brings out the evil.

That's the first time I've ever seen that explanation. Touche'. And yes, technically, that does make sense, considering the first film does state that.

Here's the problem, why not just state that for us?

[MorgolKing]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

Actually, if you watch the Megatron "I live again" scene, listen to what the doctor says.

He clearly says kill the little one and the "little" Decepticon responds with "What?" before two larger Decepticons begin to tear him apart. They use the parts from the runt to rebuild Megaton.

Why not use parts of the robots they killed in Shanghai? I'm sure they kept the parts because they were hiding the robots from the public...the same robots that ran around tearing up everything on the highway and downtowns of both LA and Shanghai Or they could've waited till their next battle to harvest parts if needed...much easier.

I agree with Jumpman. The audience can forgive plot holes to a certain extent, but in RoTF they were so numerous, problematic, and glaring that you can't really ignore them. The first one had plot holes but they didn't bother me nearly as much as the ones in RoTF.

I like both movies, but I only like RoTF because of the action sequences and decided to just edit the movie to get rid of the plots holes and annoying humor (which is sad).

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Blu,

Nope, it's a mistake. I mean, hell, Prime isn't clean in this whole thing. He asks Sam for his help. In that scene, he seems to know more than what the film is willing to give us. And then, when he and the Fallen do go to war at the end, he acknowledges to the Fallen that they are brothers.

If the Sun Harvester and the history of the Cybertronians is before Optimus' time, how the hell would he know that he and the Fallen are brothers?

Now, I know the answer but the film never tells you.

i don't know if i'm willing to take the brother comment as being literal in this case.

yes he says it but the fallen was brothers w/the original primes.

"brother" seems to fit better than "extended family" in this case.

[Jumpman]

Morgol,

Here's another interesting wtf moment? Where the hell is the Fallen? Megatron flies off after being revived and just takes off into space and lands somewhere to met up with Starscream and the Fallen?

Again, the commentary provides the answer but we should've gotten it in this film as well. Visually, it was cool as hell but I would've liked to know the what and the how of it.

Again, I'm not ripping this film because I hate it. I really, really like the film. It's my guilty pleasure of 2009. And it has a gorgeous Megan Fox in it, who shows some real talent at the very end, but it's a nightmare of a script.

As for the humor, I come on the other side on that one. I mean, I've seen all of Bay's film opening day. His humor works on audiences. I've seen it happen every time. This film, in terms of humor, worked like gangbusters when I saw the film four times. I still chuckle at stuff in it.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Morgol,

Here's another interesting wtf moment? Where the hell is the Fallen? Megatron flies off after being revived and just takes off into space and lands somewhere to met up with Starscream and the Fallen?

Again, the commentary provides the answer but we should've gotten it in this film as well. Visually, it was cool as hell but I would've liked to know the what and the how of it.

Again, I'm not ripping this film because I hate it. I really, really like the film. It's my guilty pleasure of 2009. And it has a gorgeous Megan Fox in it, who shows some real talent at the very end, but it's a nightmare of a script.

i just read on wikipedia this morning (was looking for a list of transformers in this movie) and this detail was explained in that series of comics.

yes, something s/h/b said in the movie but things like this i'm willing to forgive b/c i really don't care what he's been doing since he was beaten by the primes.

[Jumpman]

Blu,

I know what it was. But, that's the point. We, as an audience, shouldn't have to look that up. Starscream flies off at the end of the first film. This is basically where he's been. This is an important piece of info since he also houses the true, original leader of the Decepticons and the title character.

It just would've been nice to know within the film and not in the comics. The majority of the audience is not going to read a prequel comic to this film to get answers.

[MorgolKing]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Morgol,

Here's another interesting wtf moment? Where the hell is the Fallen? Megatron flies off after being revived and just takes off into space and lands somewhere to met up with Starscream and the Fallen?

Again, the commentary provides the answer but we should've gotten it in this film as well. Visually, it was cool as hell but I would've liked to know the what and the how of it.

Again, I'm not ripping this film because I hate it. I really, really like the film. It's my guilty pleasure of 2009. And it has a gorgeous Megan Fox in it, who shows some real talent at the very end, but it's a nightmare of a script.

As for the humor, I come on the other side on that one. I mean, I've seen all of Bay's film opening day. His humor works on audiences. I've seen it happen every time. This film, in terms of humor, worked like gangbusters when I saw the film four times. I still chuckle at stuff in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEdZ-yjxHLI
Watch the scene from 1:18. It goes real well with your issue of Megatron taking off to see the Fallen.

I'm not a fan of the humor because I feel it's too American Pie for the movie. Although I have to admit that the humor did work on the audience when I was watching the movie. I much prefer situational humor like that of this year's Star Trek. Also I think the humor would be better if it was toned down (e.g., Sam's Parents: when his Dad hits the Mom's butt and they talk dirty and Sam reacts=very funny. Mom eating the brownies and tackling someone on campus=plain dumb; Sam talking to upperclassmen: "the driver went to find you a tighter shirt=hilarious. Response: "we've looked there isn't one"=really ridiculous). Just my two cents.

[Jumpman]

steve,

Actually, having thought about it, you might be wrong. We reversed engineered our machines studying Megatron, not the Allspark. The Allspark also created the Autobots, who are good.

I mean, if you really want to get technical, whenever the Allspark creates a new robot, it should be neutral because the two factions were created because of a war, not with what the Allspark did.

[Jumpman]

Morgol,

Yeah, I already saw that. It actually isn't that big of an issue for Megatron beating Prime in the forest battle. Megatron was just more cunning that Optimus in that moment. Got behind him without being seen and went in for the kill. Makes totally sense.

As for the humor, I liked the "tighter shirt" joke. It still kills me when it comes up.

[MorgolKing]

Yeah I think it's really funny. I just hated the follow up.

I really hope TF3 has some more good action with less glaring plot holes. Regardless I'll be anticipating it for a long time.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by MorgolKing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEdZ-yjxHLI
Watch the scene from 1:18. It goes real well with your issue of Megatron taking off to see the Fallen.

I'm not a fan of the humor because I feel it's too American Pie for the movie. Although I have to admit that the humor did work on the audience when I was watching the movie. I much prefer situational humor like that of this year's Star Trek. Also I think the humor would be better if it was toned down (e.g., Sam's Parents: when his Dad hits the Mom's butt and they talk dirty and Sam reacts=very funny. Mom eating the brownies and tackling someone on campus=plain dumb; Sam talking to upperclassmen: "the driver went to find you a tighter shirt=hilarious. Response: "we've looked there isn't one"=really ridiculous). Just my two cents.

the mom w/the brownies Got old quickly but the comment about a tighter shirt I found hilarious!!!

I also liked the “how bout I park my foot in your ass??” “what size shoe you wear??”

[Jumpman]

By the way, everyone's issue with how many Decepticons went down to revive Megatron is kind of dumb.

Five go down, one gets ripped apart, the doctor emerges from Ravage, making it five again and then Megatron makes the sixth when he's up and running.

What's the big deal?

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

By the way, everyone's issue with how many Decepticons went down to revive Megatron is kind of dumb.

Five go down, one gets ripped apart, the doctor emerges from Ravage, making it five again and then Megatron makes the sixth when he's up and running.

What's the big deal?

People were trying to say that his size wouldn’t warrant him being seen on sonar.

And that if he was in Ravage, he should’ve shown up as 2 originally….which makes no sense @ all.

[Jumpman]

Blu,

Yeah, the argument is dumb. Their math was correct within the film.

[KBMS]

Originally Posted by Q!

I've read that TF2 "Big Screen Edition" is not available for Canada, for some reason the canadian Wal-Mart didn't want them
Sorry man...

Bugger - that is what I thought

[Diesel]

I'll take a crack at some of your questions Jump.

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Blu,

Okay. If Megatron can came back to life with one piece of the Allspark shard, why can't Sam do the same for Optimus when he dies? I mean, Sam has his own piece of the Allspark.

I mean, technically, Megatron in the first film, had a worse death. The entire energy of the Allspark engulfed his body and fried him. Prime just got stabbed and shot in the chest.

Prime could have been brought back that way as well, correct.

BUT, how in the world is Sam supposed to know that he could use the little piece to bring him back?

He knows Megatron is back, but doesn't know how. He had no way of knowing that he could bring Prime back to life by using the Spark shard.

Also, I'll say this before someone points it out. He didn't bring Jetfire back to life, Jetfire was never dead. He was just in some some sort of "hybernation" I guess is what it would be.

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Here's another. Sam holds the full Allspark for the entire third act of the first film. And yet, when he holds a small, tiny piece, he gets imprinted with the knowledge of the Allspark. Why?

Why not have it to where when Sam kills Megatron in the first film, why not have that be the moment when he obtains the knowledge of the Allspark. I mean, the amount of energy he comes into contact with at the end of the first film, that has to have some kind of affect right?

This one is a good question to which I have no definite answer. Maybe since the large majority of the cube was destroyed it went into "self-preservation mode" or something. This should have been explained or done in a different way.

Originally Posted by Jumpman

The actual story, yes, is a good story. The premise of it. It's the logic of the details that's all over the place.

I mean, Megatron's whole reason for searching for the Allspark in the first film is not the reason we were led to believe. That's kind of cool. I mean, he was one of the Seekers, technically.

But, it's the specifics of the whole thing. Why does the Allspark turn any machine into bad robots whenever it is used? They still haven't answered that question yet.

Well, you could make the case that they are inherintly "evil" because they no no right or wrong. They have guns so they use them. Unlike the autobots that have guns, but know when to use them and who to use them against.
At least that's how I thought about it. That and the fact that all our current machines were said to be reversed from Megatron himself, don't know if that would have a factor in it or not though.

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Blu,

Nope, it's a mistake. I mean, hell, Prime isn't clean in this whole thing. He asks Sam for his help. In that scene, he seems to know more than what the film is willing to give us. And then, when he and the Fallen do go to war at the end, he acknowledges to the Fallen that they are brothers.

If the Sun Harvester and the history of the Cybertronians is before Optimus' time, how the hell would he know that he and the Fallen are brothers?

Now, I know the answer but the film never tells you.

He's a Transformer, so they are brothers. Simple as that, they are all brothers. He also calls Megatron brother at the end of the first film and they aren't technical brothers in the human sense of the word (at least I think, but I could be wrong).

Originally Posted by Jumpman

steve,

All of our modern technology: microwaves, televisions, XBoxs, PS3s, Dyson power vacuum cleaners, etc are reverse engineered from Megatron. In the first film, they explain that NBE1 is where it all comes from. Since Megatron is essentially an evil character down to this "engineerring" then it would stand to reason that when we copied that engineering, we also copied the faulty technology that brings out the evil.

That's the first time I've ever seen that explanation. Touche'. And yes, technically, that does make sense, considering the first film does state that.

Here's the problem, why not just state that for us?

I don't think it needs to be spelled out. If they had spelled out every little detail for us, then people would have criticized it for being to "elementary" or "treating its audience like they are idiots". Though there are some things that should have been further expanded upon in the film.

Originally Posted by Jumpman

Morgol,

Here's another interesting wtf moment? Where the hell is the Fallen? Megatron flies off after being revived and just takes off into space and lands somewhere to met up with Starscream and the Fallen?

Again, the commentary provides the answer but we should've gotten it in this film as well. Visually, it was cool as hell but I would've liked to know the what and the how of it.

Again, I'm not ripping this film because I hate it. I really, really like the film. It's my guilty pleasure of 2009. And it has a gorgeous Megan Fox in it, who shows some real talent at the very end, but it's a nightmare of a script.

As for the humor, I come on the other side on that one. I mean, I've seen all of Bay's film opening day. His humor works on audiences. I've seen it happen every time. This film, in terms of humor, worked like gangbusters when I saw the film four times. I still chuckle at stuff in it.

Where does the commentary say they are?

It wasn't really important to know EXACTLY where they are imo. From the visuals you know they are on a wrecked ship on some plant between Earth and Saturn, meaning either Mars or Jupiter. And since the first film showed our Rover being taken out by a Decepticon on Mars, I'd assume its Mars they are on.

[Jumpman]

It wasn't really important to know EXACTLY where they are imo. From the visuals you know they are on a wrecked ship on some plant between Earth and Saturn, meaning either Mars or Jupiter. And since the first film showed our Rover being taken out by a Decepticon on Mars, I'd assume its Mars they are on.

See, I figured that out once I really thought about it. But, my issue is with the Nemesis specifically. I just wish we would've gotten a tad more info on that specific place.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

It wasn't really important to know EXACTLY where they are imo. From the visuals you know they are on a wrecked ship on some plant between Earth and Saturn, meaning either Mars or Jupiter. And since the first film showed our Rover being taken out by a Decepticon on Mars, I'd assume its Mars they are on.

See, I figured that out once I really thought about it. But, my issue is with the Nemesis specifically. I just wish we would've gotten a tad more info on that specific place.

Oh, then, I agree

I would like to know more about when/how the Decepticons got to where they crashed and why they had a ship....but the Autobots didn't. And how long Bumblebee has been on Earth.

Some of that may have been answered in the comics and such though, I wouldn't know.

[Dr.Know]

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[webmaster@michaelbay]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

steve,

All of our modern technology: microwaves, televisions, XBoxs, PS3s, Dyson power vacuum cleaners, etc are reverse engineered from Megatron. In the first film, they explain that NBE1 is where it all comes from. Since Megatron is essentially an evil character down to this "engineerring" then it would stand to reason that when we copied that engineering, we also copied the faulty technology that brings out the evil.

That's the first time I've ever seen that explanation. Touche'. And yes, technically, that does make sense, considering the first film does state that.

Here's the problem, why not just state that for us?

Actually, Agent Simmons (John Turturro) states it in the first film.

Sam Witwicky: I don't mean to correct you on all that you think you know, but that's Megatron. He's the leader of the Decepticons.

Tom Banachek: He's been in cryo-stasis since 1935. Your great-great-grandfather made one of the greatest discoveries in the history of mankind.

Agent Simmons: Fact is, you're looking at the source of the modern age. The microchip, lasers, cars, space flight: all reverse-engineered by studying him. NBE-1...
[sneers at Sam]