3D Blu-rays and the PS3

[mikey3319]

hey guys, sorry I just had a quick question. When 3d blu-ray movies come out, will the PS3 have an update software for this stuff? wor will you need to buy a special bluray 3d player? Or do the studios ust destort the movie for 3d???

[wolvereign]

Originally Posted by mikey3319

hey guys, sorry I just had a quick question. When 3d blu-ray movies come out, will the PS3 have an update software for this stuff? wor will you need to buy a special bluray 3d player? Or do the studios ust destort the movie for 3d???

The PS3 is the only BD player that has the capabilities to upgrade to be able to read the soon to come 3D discs because de PS3 is a very powerful machine.

[Oddiophile]

Yes, the PS3 will be getting a firmware update that will allow the PS3 to do 3D games and movies. The PS3 is the only player to get a firmware update to do 3D because of its power it can do the 3D decoding in software unlike standalone players that that lack the processing power will have to be redesigned to do it in hardware.

[mredman]

when will this happen?

[neos_peace]

Originally Posted by mredman

when will this happen?

when the firmware comes out. lol Sorry couldn't resist. go ahead slap me.

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by mredman

when will this happen?

It should be this summer, but who knows?

[PaulJunior]

Originally Posted by mredman

when will this happen?

Beginning of June. I've already seen some 3D Blu-ray footage on the PS3 at a Sony store so the firmware is already out there for some people

[Blu-man08]

Since 3D is an exclusive part of the HDMI 4 spec, what impact will this have on PS3 systems with HDMI 3? Will the firmware upgrade even matter?

[BD3Dfan]

From what I know, the PS3 will output a 1080i Side-by-Side 3D image. I assume HDMI 1.4 cables will still be required, but a new unit won't be.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Blu-man08

Since 3D is an exclusive part of the HDMI 4 spec, what impact will this have on PS3 systems with HDMI 3? Will the firmware upgrade even matter?

The firmware upgrade is to 1080i 3D or checkerboard 3D. In other words any 3D Blu-Ray played from the Playstation 3 will automatically half the discs resolution. If you own a current 3D ready display those are only capable of checkerboard 3D anyway so this limitation will mean nothing for these televisions. Both a new HDMI 1.4 television and an HDMI 1.4 capable player are required to play 3D Full HD. 3D Full HD requires an HDMI 1.4 chipset which the Playstation 3 does not posses and can't be given to it through firmware. If want 3D Full HD you must buy a new HDMI 1.4 stand alone player. Even at 1080i 3D should still be an amazing experiance so I suspect that the Playstation 3s capablitiy will be "good enough" for most

Unfortunitly the same also applys to 3D gaming. The Playstation 3 and HDMI enabled Xbox 360s can play games in full color 3D. The Wii is only capable of anaglyph. However since neither of these systems were designed with 3D in mind the 3D will be compromised. Since games are rendered in real time they are the only medium that can be patched to support 3D after buying them. However it will also mean the added processing power to add a second eye view will come at the expense of graphical detail and resolution. Most Playstation 3/Xbox 360 games are rendered at 720p and a 3D patch would half that. 3D Full HD gaming without compromise is probably something the next generation will support but its not something current generation consoles will ever be capable of.

[mrcurly]

is the new bluray player called a 3dblurayplayer or a bluray3dplayer? according to this - http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/24286/blu-ray-3d/ the correct way is bluray3dplayer

[ronjones]

Originally Posted by BD3Dfan

From what I know, the PS3 will output a 1080i Side-by-Side 3D image. I assume HDMI 1.4 cables will still be required, but a new unit won't be.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

The firmware upgrade is to 1080i 3D or checkerboard 3D. In other words any 3D Blu-Ray played from the Playstation 3 will automatically half the discs resolution. If you own a current 3D ready display those are only capable of checkerboard 3D anyway so this limitation will mean nothing for these televisions. Both a new HDMI 1.4 television and an HDMI 1.4 capable player are required to play 3D Full HD. 3D Full HD requires an HDMI 1.4 chipset which the Playstation 3 does not posses and can't be given to it through firmware. If want 3D Full HD you must buy a new HDMI 1.4 stand alone player. Even at 1080i 3D should still be an amazing experiance so I suspect that the Playstation 3s capablitiy will be "good enough" for most

Unfortunitly the same also applys to 3D gaming. The Playstation 3 and HDMI enabled Xbox 360s can play games in full color 3D. The Wii is only capable of anaglyph. However since neither of these systems were designed with 3D in mind the 3D will be compromised. Since games are rendered in real time they are the only medium that can be patched to support 3D after buying them. However it will also mean the added processing power to add a second eye view will come at the expense of graphical detail and resolution. Most Playstation 3/Xbox 360 games are rendered at 720p and a 3D patch would half that. 3D Full HD gaming without compromise is probably something the next generation will support but its not something current generation consoles will ever be capable of.

There seems to be a lot of misinformation floating around the web on what the PS3 w/3D upgraded firmware will do or not do that it nothing more than speculation at this point. While the HDMI 1.4 spec. added specific enhancements related to 3D as well as networking and other options, it is not at all clear that the Blu-ray 3D spec. (which has not been released to the press or public) actually requires HDMI 1.4 in order to support full 1080p for each the right and left video streams. Since we do know that one output mode that will be allowed by the BD 3D spec. will be providing 1080p/24 video streams for each the right and left images (i.e., requiring 1080p/48 total) and we also know that the existing HDMI 1.3 hardware, as used in the PS3, can support up to 1080p/60, the PS3 may very well be able to support this 2 X 1080p/24 output mode.

[plee]

Originally Posted by ronjones

There seems to be a lot of misinformation floating around the web on what the PS3 w/3D upgraded firmware will do or not do that it nothing more than speculation at this point. While the HDMI 1.4 spec. added specific enhancements related to 3D as well as networking and other options, it is not at all clear that the Blu-ray 3D spec. (which has not been released to the press or public) actually requires HDMI 1.4 in order to support full 1080p for each the right and left video streams. Since we do know that one output mode that will be allowed by the BD 3D spec. will be providing 1080p/24 video streams for each the right and left images (i.e., requiring 1080p/48 total) and we also know that the existing HDMI 1.3 hardware, as used in the PS3, can support up to 1080p/60, the PS3 may very well be able to support this 2 X 1080p/24 output mode.

It will depend on the TV/display if it can be updated to "recognize" the 3D frame coming in a HDMI 1.3 cable. This is where all the questions start, most TV/display manufacturers don't like doing firmware updates so I would almost bet that you will need an adaptor like the one Mitsubishi has shown for existing displays. I wouldn't think it will be till the 4th quarter we'll start seeing the 3D stuff so just hang loose for awhile...

[Jeff Kleist]

HDMI 1.4 cables won't do anything, because the transceiver chip is almost certainly going to remain HDMI 1.3a. 1080p 3D is going to have to wait for PS4.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

1080p 3D is going to have to wait for PS4.

So you are saying they lied about that the PS3 can be updated to play full resolution 3D

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by mredman

So you are saying they lied about that the PS3 can be updated to play full resolution 3D

Yeah pretty much

[Jeff Kleist]

Originally Posted by mredman

So you are saying they lied about that the PS3 can be updated to play full resolution 3D

Not necessarily. You'd still need to buy a new PS3 anyway because 1.4 is mandatory for 1080p 3D. There aren't any future revisions likely to change out the transceiver among other factors.

[loco]

another important consideration is eye fatigue...with just 1080/48 there is considerable eye strain, to remove this the pundits are saying the refresh rate needs to be atleast 1080/144 (meaning three interpolations per frame per eye). But I imagine, for that to happen you would only need the display to support this and not the bluray transport. In the same vein as 2d bluray players feed 1080p/24 to the display which then gets interpolated by a 1080p/240 or a 1080p/120 display.

[ronjones]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Not necessarily. You'd still need to buy a new PS3 anyway because 1.4 is mandatory for 1080p 3D. There aren't any future revisions likely to change out the transceiver among other factors.

Jeff - As for HDMI 1.4 being "mandatory" for 3D, we really can't say that's the case since the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) has not released the Blu-ray 3D spec. to other than the manufacturers that are the members of that organization. While the HDMI 1.4 spec. (which has been released by the HDMI standards group, which is not the same organization as the Blu-ray standards group) has specific provisions to support 3D (and other things such as networking), from what the BDA has released and what Sony representatives have saild, it appears that the PS3 may very well be able to support full 1080p 3D even with it's HDMI 1.3 hardware. This does not mean that it will support every output mode option allowed by the Blu-ray 3D spec. (such as having the BD player take the dual 1080p/24 video streams that are recorded on the 3D disc and output these as dual 1080p/60 video streams). Also a Sony representative has been reported to have said that the 3D firmware update for the PS3 will include emulation software, that probably means to emulate certain of the HDMI 1.4 functions related to 3D. Certainly the PS3's existing HDMI chipset will constrain in some ways what can be done with the PS3, but at this point there is no clear evidence that the PS3 will not be able to support full 1080p 3D (with dual 1080p/24 video streams).

This situation is much like all of the speculation, that was often stated as a fact, that floated around the web for nearly a year and half after the PS3 was first released, that claimed it would never be able to support DTS HD-MA decoding (which was proven wrong when Sony finally released a firmware update that added DTS HD-MA decoding). I certainly don't know the actual answer on what limitions an updated PS3 will have, but unless you work for Sony on the PS3 team you simply are just guessing at what the updated PS3 can or cannot do.

Originally Posted by loco

another important consideration is eye fatigue...with just 1080/48 there is considerable eye strain, to remove this the pundits are saying the refresh rate needs to be atleast 1080/144 (meaning three interpolations per frame per eye). But I imagine, for that to happen you would only need the display to support this and not the bluray transport. In the same vein as 2d bluray players feed 1080p/24 to the display which then gets interpolated by a 1080p/240 or a 1080p/120 display.

Loco - So currently people that say they can't live with a Blu-ray 3D player that can only output dual 1080p/24 video streams, surely can't currently watch 2D movies, because of eye fatigue, if they are using a std. Blu-ray player set to output 1080p/24 to a HDTV display? You have hit the point that I also have an issue with for certain posts on this and other forums. Specfically, people need to realize that the source video rate is not the same thing as the displayed video rate, and the displayed refresh rate is a function of the display, not the video source. We can expect virtually all new 3D capable displays to accept dual 1080p/24 input video streams (i.e., what's actually recorded on the 3D Blu-ray discs) then apply processing to display each stream at 60Hz (not ideal) or 72Hz, or 96Hz or 120Hz that is appropriate for that specific display device. This is similar to what virtually all 1080p HDTVs built in the past 2 years do for 2D content from Blu-ray players by accepting a 1080p/24 input then displaying the video at a higher refresh rate in order to eliminate any flicker in the displayed image (and to sometimes add interpolated frames to provide for smooth motion).

Originally Posted by plee

It will depend on the TV/display if it can be updated to "recognize" the 3D frame coming in a HDMI 1.3 cable. This is where all the questions start, most TV/display manufacturers don't like doing firmware updates so I would almost bet that you will need an adaptor like the one Mitsubishi has shown for existing displays. I wouldn't think it will be till the 4th quarter we'll start seeing the 3D stuff so just hang loose for awhile...

Plee - The only existing HDTVs that will likely be able to support 3D (even with a firmware update) are those Mits and Samsung DLP rear projection 1080p HDTVs sold the past couple of years as being 3D-ready and even those will require outboard processing, either via an external adapter (Mits solution) or via a brand specific interface from a Blu-ray 3D player (possibly the Samsung solution), in order to work with the new 3D sources. Other existing 1080p HDTVs, including those with 120Hz, 240Hz, etc. displays, will not support 3D since they neither accept any input with greater than 60Hz refresh rate via their HDMI input nor have a programmable internal video processor with enough power to be capable of processing an incoming 3D video stream. More specifically, if a HDTV can accept a 1080p/120Hz input (as certain recent Mits and Samsung 1080p DLPs can) then an external adapter could be used to process the Blu-ray 3D dual video streams and put them into the correct display format with alternating right and left images each displayed at 60 Hz (120Hz total) Also these RPTV models already have the IR tranmitters requried to sync. the 3D shutter glasses. An existing HDTV that can only accept up to a 60Hz input would only be able support 3D if it could accept dual 1080p/24 input video streams from a BD player then internally process this to extract the right and left streams then further process to display at a higher refresh rate (e.g., at least 120Hz total) with alternating right and left images. It would also need to add hardware for an IR (or bluetooth) transmitter this is required to sync. the 3D shutter glasses. However, existing HDTVs typically use special purpose signal processor chips to handle their video processing requirements and such chips cannot be reconfigured via firmware to support 3D. These are hardware limitations with existing HDTVs that cannot be overcome with external adapters and/or firmware updates. With only a very few exceptions, it you want to watch 3D from a new Blu-ray 3D player, you will also need to purchase a new 3D HDTV display.

[Jeff Kleist]

HDMI 1.4 mandatory for 1080p 3d. It is not mandatory for 3d period