Blu-ray vs HD DVD Replication Costs Revealed

[iceman]

Don't know if this has been posted somewhere already, but I thought it was interesting.

$2.25 $0.045 per GB for Blu-ray DL (50GB)
$1.59 $0.064 per GB for Blu-ray SL (25GB)
$1.69 $0.056 per GB for HD DVD DL (30GB)
$1.45 $0.097 per GB for HD DVD SL (15GB)

"Looking at these numbers and pricing information, we can now dispell the
myth that Blu-ray replication is significantly more costly than HD DVD."

http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-...osts-revealed/

Since Japan will more or less use BDs exclusively and the PS3 will use BDs as well, there will be far more BDs produced which should affect the replicating costs even more.

[dialog_gvf]

DVD-9s are said to be 50 cents. So there are actually two myths debunked here:

HD DVD is about the same as DVD (not even close)
BD is much more expensive than HD DVD (not even close)

I'm sure the usual suspects will ignore the inconvenient data and continue to state their opinion as fact.

Gary

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

DVD-9s are said to be 50 cents. So there are actually two myths debunked here:

HD DVD is about the same as DVD (not even close)
BD is much more expensive than HD DVD (not even close)

I'm sure the usual suspects will ignore the inconvenient data and continue to state their opinion as fact.

Gary

All you can do is keep throwing the facts around repeatedly where they can't be ignored.

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Good informative post for newcomers. This information would be great to keep around (hint, hint moderators).

[phloyd]

Perhaps add this information to the 'Current Statistics' sticky.

That fits

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by JTK

All you can do is keep throwing the facts around repeatedly where they can't be ignored.

Warner, and its Total HD gambit, proves that replication costs aren't a major factor right now. It was all about the mass adoption future, where the cost would be much lower.

The replication issue was FUD started by Amir and continued ad nausea. It dies away for a few months, and then pops back up as an issue.

"Can I get the movies I want?" - An important consumer question about discs

"Are the discs cheap to replicate?" - Who has ever asked this except for FUD reasons?!

Downloads cost nothing to replicate. Therefore downloads should be what the HD DVD crowd wants. Of course, in reality the fanbois are always pushing this fairy tale notion that HD DVD hits (whatever point in time and set of data) the perfect replication costs, the perfect disc retail costs (when not combo), the perfect content selection, the perfect player cost, the perfect balance of bandwidth and capacity, the perfect ...

We live in the real world and complain about BD all the time.

Gary

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Don't know if this has been posted somewhere already, but I thought it was interesting.

$2.25 $0.045 per GB for Blu-ray DL (50GB)
$1.59 $0.064 per GB for Blu-ray SL (25GB)
$1.69 $0.056 per GB for HD DVD DL (30GB)
$1.45 $0.097 per GB for HD DVD SL (15GB)

"Looking at these numbers and pricing information, we can now dispell the
myth that Blu-ray replication is significantly more costly than HD DVD."

http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-...osts-revealed/

Since Japan will more or less use BDs exclusively and the PS3 will use BDs as well, there will be far more BDs produced which should affect the replicating costs even more.

I like hearing this

[Deciazulado]

$0.097 per GB for HD DVD SL (15GB) =$1.45
$0.064 per GB for Blu-ray SL (25GB) = $1.59
$0.056 per GB for HD DVD DL (30GB) =$1.69
$0.045 per GB for Blu-ray DL (50GB) = $2.25

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

DVD-9s are said to be 50 cents. So there are actually two myths debunked here

$0.056 per GB for DVD DL (9GB) = $0.50



Sticked with ice!

[Fr0stiE]

Well if Blu-Ray is a cheaper format to punch in. Then explain to me why the cost of a Blu-Ray movie is an average $5 - $10 more than HD on retail shelves. I am not saying that the Blu-Ray media is garbage, I'd just like to know why Sony can't match HD pricing for movies on store shelves. (trust me I know why I just want to hear from your point of view...)

[Blubaru]

Originally Posted by Fr0stiE

Well if Blu-Ray is a cheaper format to punch in. Then explain to me why the cost of a Blu-Ray movie is an average $5 - $10 more than HD on retail shelves. I am not saying that the Blu-Ray media is garbage, I'd just like to know why Sony can't match HD pricing for movies on store shelves. (trust me I know why I just want to hear from your point of view...)

It isn't. That is a HD-DVD fanboy lie.

Go and look at the prices. Most Blu-ray movies are $25 while HD-DVD is $30-$35. 35$ for combo disks.

[theknub]

if you know why, please inform us. im sure we'd all like to be informed

[dobyblue]

The Departed Blu-ray MSRP $34.99
The Departed HD DVD MSRP $39.99

Eh? Probably all SONY's fault.

[Fr0stiE]

Knub---

I feel like I always have to be the one informing you... Why is that? Okay... well... For starters BD manufacturing using a thinner surface for the laser due to increased data per area on the disc meant that Sony had to make costly adjustments or additions for the plants to manufacture this disc format. So, the cost that Sony incurred for this format to happen is passed onto us on the consumer market level. that and there aren't as many plants currently set up for this process so production is limited also adding to the cost.

If you have anything else to add Knub I'd like to hear it, as you seem to have things to say only in response to someone else's sticking their neck out.

It's only a cost difference now... I am not saying forever. For all I know MS is taking a hit to the pocketbook so that HD cost on store shelves are less than BD as a sales gimmick to help that format along...

[theknub]

*sigh*

fud tactics

what is the avg price per disc? if you look at even a place like amazon, most of the discs on blu-ray are cheaper. the most expensive discs are from fox, so that may be the only price inflation. they may have had to refit the replication plants, but the cost isn't being passed on to us. of course, what you forget is that hd-dvd plants had to be refitted with blue diode lasers to write the information. that is prob the most expensive part.

to demonstrate with a joint released disc (since that is the easiest method to compare) look at the departed. on BR it is 23.95 vs hd-dvd at 27.95.

sounds like the refitting of those replication plants has really made the discs more expensive.

[jorg]

Originally Posted by Fr0stiE

Knub---

I feel like I always have to be the one informing you... Why is that? Okay... well... For starters BD manufacturing using a thinner surface for the laser due to increased data per area on the disc meant that Sony had to make costly adjustments or additions for the plants to manufacture this disc format. So, the cost that Sony incurred for this format to happen is passed onto us on the consumer market level. that and there aren't as many plants currently set up for this process so production is limited also adding to the cost.

If you have anything else to add Knub I'd like to hear it, as you seem to have things to say only in response to someone else's sticking their neck out.

It's only a cost difference now... I am not saying forever. For all I know MS is taking a hit to the pocketbook so that HD cost on store shelves are less than BD as a sales gimmick to help that format along...

yes companys have to replace old eqiument for the new technoligy but if all or most of the disc plants are from sony tdk or otehr companys that get a share of royalties then they could just "lose" the money and get it back threw sales and royalties just becuase a new store opens dosen't mean that the stuff costs more?

[Fr0stiE]

Knub---

I really like this debate we have going in two different parts of the forum... Seriously, I am laughing to myself while I type because I know you're right with the information you provide. I just like to ask why and throw in my 2 cents so I can get a better grasp of what these companies are doing with these new formats. That Amazon has BD for cheaper than HD is fine and dandy, but I specifically called for STOREFRONTS such as Target, Wall-Mart, FRY's, etc... Online stores are not what I was talking about. As for the MSRP of 'Departed' if it cost less on BD than HD at online store Amazon great, but until the price tag is marked on the sticker at a Physical Shopping Store... I'll believe it when it happens.

[dobyblue]

The MSRP is not Amazon's to decide - it is the studio's.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....uct&id=1622592
As you can see from Best Buy the MSRP is the same as Amazon's - $34.99
They are selling it for $29.99

[Fr0stiE]

I know MSRP isn't controlled by Amazon. Isn't Manufacture Suggested Retail Price self explanatory? I was talking about the actual store selling price when it comes out on store shelves. Come on man... we all know Best Buy always says $29.99 for this and $19.99 for that, but at launch the titles are always $4 to $8 lower. It isn't until the opening weekend is over that the entry sale is removed and MSRP might be enforced.

Is it my fault the studio is retarded in that they can't bring the title out on both formats at the same MSRP?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....uct&id=1621200

Well, it seems to me that this format must rule them all and is the only way to go... I mean the list price/MSRP is literally cut in half here... LOL

Best Buy isn't even selling both formats of the movie, only BD... so how can I compare an orange to an apple? Also the HD version is a DUAL format, so of course the HD version is going to MSRP for $5 more... you know that's another thing... I don't recall ever seeing a BD that has the standard format on the reverse side for you to watch the movie wherever a dvd player exists.

[theknub]

Originally Posted by Fr0stiE

Knub---

I really like this debate we have going in two different parts of the forum... Seriously, I am laughing to myself while I type because I know you're right with the information you provide. I just like to ask why and throw in my 2 cents so I can get a better grasp of what these companies are doing with these new formats. That Amazon has BD for cheaper than HD is fine and dandy, but I specifically called for STOREFRONTS such as Target, Wall-Mart, FRY's, etc... Online stores are not what I was talking about. As for the MSRP of 'Departed' if it cost less on BD than HD at online store Amazon great, but until the price tag is marked on the sticker at a Physical Shopping Store... I'll believe it when it happens.

thanks

as for B&M's, no idea. nothing close to me

[jorg]

Originally Posted by Fr0stiE

I know MSRP isn't controlled by Amazon. Isn't Manufacture Suggested Retail Price self explanatory? I was talking about the actual store selling price when it comes out on store shelves. Come on man... we all know Best Buy always says $29.99 for this and $19.99 for that, but at launch the titles are always $4 to $8 lower. It isn't until the opening weekend is over that the entry sale is removed and MSRP might be enforced.

Is it my fault the studio is retarded in that they can't bring the title out on both formats at the same MSRP?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....uct&id=1621200

Well, it seems to me that this format must rule them all and is the only way to go... LOL

Best Buy isn't even selling both formats of the movie, only BD... so how can I compare and orange to and apple?

i am sorry but i can`t not see a reason for this post i have found that hd dvd and blu-ray are the same prices at local stores in london ontario canada most are around 29 99 and the most is 34 99 in the extream cases iv seen blu-ray and hd dvd 1 - 3 more back and forth making me asumes ist studios for that few dollars