Thx recommended setting is 80hz. The sub at 100hz I believe is also what I had mine at when I had the Marantz. I'd leave it where you have it now with speakers set at small. I remember asking similar questions you did awhile back. There should be a 'sticky' in the speaker section explaining all this. As far as frequency response...etc. My understanding of it is limited other than what not to do.

Good honest answer. The most important knowlegde too.

Travis sean is right :eek: :D

Every thing you just asked can be found in one of Big Daddy's stickies ! It will give you A better & more informative answer than you can get asking it from someone that does not know as much as Big Daddy about this stuff !

as far as small & large , To my understanding , If your speakers look like this then set them to large , if not set them to small !

Now if I could only get my measurements right for my stand I'm building....

AHH! Now I understand completely. off to Big Daddy's threads.

Dream on sean ! :whip: :p :D








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Travis,

This is how I understand frequency response.

When you see a Frequency Response specification for a speaker, the manufacturer is telling you that for a given input signal, the listed range of frequencies will produce output within a certain range of levels. For example, your LCR60s3 produces a range of 70Hz–22kHz +/- 3dB. For these frequencies, the speaker will output signals that are within a 6 dB (+/- 3 dB) range. This does not mean that the speaker won't reproduce frequencies outside this range, it will, but frequencies outside the range will be more than 3 dB off from the reference level. Therefore, damage may occur to your speaker.

Nothing the power saw can't fix!!!

On AVR preferene menu under audio I have 3 choices: main, sub, or main+sub. Any idea?

I switched between them, nothing happened.

I believe that is for the LFE. I would select sub since you do not have speakers that go deep enough to handle all the LFE.

I agree with lou....just use the "sub." That should handle the LFE properly for your sub.

Lou and forsberg are both Dead On, with their answers.
I have mine set to sub only,Even though the Polk Towers forsberg and myself have can reproduce some low end deep enough to contribute to the overall Bass Level.

But in selecting the Sub as the only speaker reproducing the Majority of the Bass,it helps your other speakers immensely.
It frees them up to have a clearer and tighter mid-bass and mid-range overall,with both musical and movie reproduction.

Since the drivers in the Front Speakers(and in some cases center speaker) arent having to struggle to reproduce all the Bass they are capable of, they sound better in the All important Mid Area.
So that is another reason to select Sub.

Now with Lou's Awesome 800 Series B&W's it may be entirely different.
But for the average speakers like we have the dedicated subwoofer is a Bass Notes Best Friend. :D

Thanks, Todd!

I run my speakers as small for movies and large (Direct Mode) for 2 channel music. My towers dip down to 38Hz which is more than enough for music, especially the majority that I listen to. Everything is nice and tight when it comes to the B&W's. :rock:

Also, keep in mind that some of those settings may be source specific and not a blanket setting for your entire AVR.

Thanks for the follow up,Lou,Buddy.

Thats impressive that the B&W's can go down to 38hz.
And makes me somewhat saddened in a way.

As my Sub(Soon to be Subs(plural with Aero sending me his unused PSW10 to give me a pair)will only reach down to about 38hz themselves)And thats with a 10 inch and a 50 watt rms Plate Amp.

But the Bass Drivers on your B&W's probably have as large of a surface area of at least a 10 inch and probably more like a 12inch.And that much size with the quickness and tightness you only find in an Eight inch Driver.So its the Best of Both Worlds with the Drivers used on your B&W's.

The more I keep seeing and hearing all these beautiful B&W's, the more I want to get a pair of 686's for my very modest 2-channel audio system.But I may stay true to Polk and go with a RTi A3 instead(which are around $279.00 from Polk Direct)

BTW, my B&W 804S's have dual 6.5" drivers.

The 803S has dual 7" drivers. The 803D has three 7" drivers. the 802D has dual 8" drivers. The 801D has a single 15" driver. and the 800D has dual 10" drivers. :drool:

That should be called a subeaker or a speakub.....a form of hybrid speaker/sub....my god...a 15" driver or dual 10" drivers....WTF? :eek:

Those are very goodnames. :D

Check these out when you can:

801D Videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUrWwKViXbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qebnq...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK8kq7kf5NY

800D Videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZNNEb76Yg

Nautilus Videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFtTI5ESae4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQErHT6E5Mc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spu0GWiF_ok&feature=fvw

Thanks for the answers, I will switch it to Sub.

800s are great, I got a DVD about them from B&W that is pretty cool. And a Nautilus coffee cup. They are treasures.

Sub setting it should be. I'm going to audition the b&w 800 and cm line this Saturday. I'm excited...I want some gloss black cm9's.

The 800 line is going to blow your mind. Make sure you bring some very familiar music/movies with you. I would also give yourself an hour or two in order to really listen to them and hear the differences.

The CM line is not shabby either.

Also, while you are there. Take a listen to the XT line. It will surprise the $h!t out of you. Very tight bass and crystal clear mid and highs. I personally like them better than the CM line, which I thought was a little boomy for my taste.

One of the most important things when looking for speakers.

I set it to Preference-->Audi -->Sub. On a different menu, Surround Setup, I see LFE Level, choices are 0dB, -10dB and OFF. I have it set to 0dB. Right?

On another thread, can't find it and can't remember, think it was Lou, who said they had LPF set to 80 and crossover 40???

I can't seem to get this straight.
I have sub LPF turned off.
AVR is set to 80Hz-100Hz, haven't decided. 100 seems great for movie too much for music.
Crossover, don't see it.

Getting turned around again, sub stuff:eek: I'm missing my old AVR. Like I said movies sound great, music seems to be too heavy on the bass end.

Hold tight. I'm downloading the manual. I'll see what the various things are and try to help you the best I can.

Okay. Here is what I would do:

Preferences --> Audio --> Sub

Manual Setup --> Speaker Size --> set them all to SMALL with LFP to 80Hz

Surround Setup --> LFE Level --> 0db

Have you ran the Audyssey calibration yet? You should probably try it (make sure your house is very quiet). Also, you should pick up an SPL if you do not already have one so you can tweak the settings under Surround Setup --> Channel Level.

Lou,

I appreciate all the work.

I have run Audyseey but I turned of the the EQ. Kept the distances and channel levels. I shut all the doors and even took the clock out of the room so no tick tocking. Very quiet.

I am a huge fan of Source Direct, and anything that doesn't filter or adjust the sound. I love looking at some amps that just have a button and a light, like Rotel and Marantz. Sexy! Also, you can trust it is not messing with the signal.

I understand the reasons behind Audyseey and Equalizers, I just do want to mess with the signal, maybe I can make it better, but maybe I'll really mess it up. Do you have HT EQ turned on? Or any other?

I wish I had large fronts so I could use source direct for music, even if I only listen to music once in a blue moon. I will be getting a sound meter when I go to San Diego in February. SPL from Radio Shack, any model?

I have Audyssey turned on for movies and off for music. I use direct mode for my 2-channel music. I hear a big difference between Stereo (with Audyssey) and Direct (without Audyssey). I like it off better for music.

Radio Shack only has two model SPL's - analog or digital. Personal preference. I've had both, i think the analog is easier to see, but digital can be more easier to read. Does that make sense?

Yes, it does.

There are too many choices for settings nowadays. It is enough to make you go crazy, lose your mind and just get into 2ch stuff like John.:p

Now I am listening to (kinda watching) Diana Krall in Rio. 2 ch PCM, DTS-HD?? Pretty sure I like 2 ch for BD concerts. LPF at 80Hz seems to be working for me. It's gonna take me to Christmas to work out all the kinks and get it to the point where I can just sit down and watch a movie or listen to some music.

I miss my old AVR, had it set just right. Still don't have CDs soundng great yet. Working on sub volume and was working on LPF.

Not really upgraditits at work, but I do want to improve my system a bit.

Surge protectors, power conditioners. What do you guys know?

Equipment vibration isolators too?

When searching on the Taiwan e-bay, I find this http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?11091124238698
My google toolbar translates it.

What is it, exactly?

This too, http://goods.ruten.com.tw/item/show?11081214187666

Serious looking stuff.

I am a newb with that stuff, but Todd knows quite a bit...I'm sure he'll see this post Travis or you could send him a PM.

Hey Travis,

The Diana Krall Rio disc sure does sound good in 2-channel, although the surround mix is more involving. I kind of miss my surround setup at times, especially for some SACD's like Dire Starits, Pink Floyd and Roxy Music, but make no mistake...2-channel still sounds absolutely amazing!

John

I use them to protect from power fluctuations. They really won't do you any good from a direct lightening strike. I use Tripp Lite due to my experiences with them professionally through my job and personally since I've had a Tripp Lite UPS on my computer system for quite a few years prior to my professional relationship.

I have been very happy with them.

I have had a Monster Power Strip and had a great customer support experience when the lights stopped working. I had no receipt so they gave me the warranty based on man. date. I was within the five years so they replaced it.

I'm not a fan of isolators for all components. I think they are only beneficial on electronic devices with moving parts such as CD/DVD/BD players and turntables. And that is still subjective based on who you ask. There is a lot of science that can be used to show both the pros and cons. (I have yet to see Myth Busters do a segment on this topic :D )

I also think that they can help on speakers but minimizing the contact with the floor and thus providing a more full sound. When you have a large area contacting another, they will act as an extension of one another. This could be a negative if the attached object will hinder the performance in any manner. For example, a box-shaped speaker is setting on a carpeted wood sub floor. The vibrations from the speaker will go through the carpet to the sub floor. Since the sub floor can also vibrate, it will take those vibrations of the entire mass of the floor, thus minimizing the effects of the speaker. Now take that same speaker with coned feet and you should hear a tighter bass and midrange since those frequencies are no longer being dissipated across the entire wood sub floor.

Sorry, but Google Chrome won't show those pages. Says Cookies are not enabled and they are turned on.

Hey, John!

You'll have to make a trip to Washington, DC one day and stop by with some of your fav discs. I'd love to share both my 2-channel and 5.1 with you. :)

Hey Lou!

That sounds like a blast! I'm expecting 3 concert BD's this week (hopefully) and then next week I have to peruse my wishlist to see what others I can pick up for a good price. I should be able to hit 35 concert BD's, and quite possibly 40, by the end of the year! As such, there will be lots to choose from my friend!

John

I just got 'Hit Man: David Foster & Friends Blu-ray' this week. I haven't watched it yet.

I've never really calculated the number of concert BD's I have. Off the top of my head I have the David Foster one, Billy Idol, Rolling Stones, NIN, and Michael Buble. I think that is it. I'd love a Cranberries or Eurythmics one (not even sure one exists to put on BD :shrug: ). Their voices are heavenly. I jammed out to the Cranberries album last night for a while.

Here's a review I posted on Hit Man: David Foster & Friends. Check it out.

There is nothing out and rumoured to come out from The Cranberries and Eurythmics, which is a real shame. Dolores O'Riordan's and Annie Lennox' voices are to die for. Plus they ain't bad to look at either! I've always kinda had a thing for Annie! :D

John

That's so funny you say that. My wife and I recently saw a picture of Annie and I commented how I like her hair blond versus red/orange. I then continued to say how hot I think she is/was. She just gave me the "you gotta be kidding me" look. She has incredible eyes.

My wife knows that the only person I would ever leave her for would be Alyssa Milano. :rock:

Michael Buble???

I have fallen off the music grid. I never listen to the radio, no cable TV (No MTV), no clubs. The last pop/rock CD I bought was the Police's greatest hits. I hear some people talking about Buble, Jack Johnson and other guys, don't know them or their music. The newest that I have gotten into is John Mayer, Crossroads concert introduced him to me.

I feel like I have fallen into a musical void. Honestly I have so many discs I don't listen to and so many artists I already know that I'd like to get more of. In the end, it doesn't matter. It's a happy void.

John,

You mentioned Diana Krall before, did you every listen to The Holly Cole Trio? Another great Canadian. I love her Jazz albums, did not care when she went pop. Her last album is back to Jazz, which is good. Don't Smoke in Bed was my second Jazz CD, so I have a special love for her. Best of Tony Williams was my first.

Buying a DVD player!
 

Old Multi-Region DVD/CD/SACD player is dying. :( Had it repaired a few years ago for the same problem. It will just stop playing a DVD, then I have to go back to the beginning. For CDs still problem free. It has gotten a lot of use; I never watch TV. Anyway gotta get a new player.

The reason I'm looking at a DVD player is for SACDs, and Region 1 DVDs. Something PS3 won't do. I only have a few SACDs, but would like to get more. Cannot buy Oppo here, so...

May buy a BD player instead, now they can unlock the region code for DVDs on all machines, except PS3. I have a lot of R1 DVDs. Then SACDs will have to wait. Also, the old Pioneer DVD player handles CDs better than PS3, and DVD audio as well. Hoping a new BD player will as well.

Thinking about:
1. A standalone CD player. I've been told even a budget standalone CD player will outperform most DVD/BD players. Can still use PS3 for BD & R3 DVDs

2. A new BD player, if other machines outperform PS3 with CDs and DVDs, how about Blu-rays? Thinking...Yes! Will have R1 & R3 DVD, CD, BD

3. A new DVD player, Pioneer DV-610. Current Pioneer player has been great. Got DVD R1 & R3, SACD, CD. PS3 for BD

4. Standalone SACD/CD player. Worried to pricey.

5. Standalone CD player and Standalone BD player, Say goodbye to SACDs.

Any suggestions for models? What direction to go?

Looking for something that can complement my gear. Can probably spend 300-500 dollars. My Marantz isn't being very sociable to old gear and would like the UD8004. I told her, she is crazy.

A shelf does look nice with matching gear (Love going to Rotel's website) but I have to buy what in my mind has the best value, not the prettiest. But I won't stay away from Marantz players just because. Anyone know anything about their BD players?

Hey Travis,

I'm personally not a fan of Michael Buble, but I am huge Jack Johnson fan. I have everything he's done on both vinyl and CD, plus a dual-live DVD concert he had a few years back. Will probably pick up his Blu-ray, but he tends to shoot in documentary-style of which I'm not a fan for concerts. However, want to complete mycollection, so I'll bite regardless.

And yes, I am quite familiar with Holly Cole! Saw her many Moons ago at the Molson Amphitheatre here in Toronto. Wonferful vocalist and interpreter of Jazz...most underrated in my opinion.

John

Thanks for dropping by!

There is something I should share with you guys before you hear it from someone else. Many years ago when I was living in San Diego, I was hanging out at Torrey Pines serving drinks. Well I met a guy there; had a few drinks and well you know.:eek: After a few months of stuff that my wife would be very surprised to see, this nice young man helped pay for my trip to Taiwan, where I would stay and he would come visit me. Well he never came to see me.:angry: Before you see it on the cover of People, you should know, I too had an affair with Tiger Woods. Seemed like such a nice guy.

How much hush money should I ask for?

Come back next week. I'll have a new sick joke for you then. Anyone remember Marv Albert?