Blu-ray Forum - Star Wars: The Complete Saga, Original & Prequel Trilogy - Sept 16, 2011

Did I not read somewhere that part of the problem with the '04 release being a rush job was to combat the huge surge in pirated copies of the film. They got it out asap to beat the pirates, but clearly forgot to use quality control. As a direct result, fan edits sprung up and made the matter worse for them.

Clearly, if what we are reading is true, they have learned from their mistakes and have gone back and re-done that which they botched.

IndyMLVC

08-22-2011 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinpants (Post 5105994)

Or they wouldn't be invited back to Skywalker Ranch if they wrote anything bad.
OR they've only seen what Lucasfilm wants them to see.

That's just marketing 101. It makes perfect sense. I'm always nervous about the things we're NOT seeing.

Merlinpants

08-22-2011 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyMLVC (Post 5105989)

Because they're telling them what to write, essentially. They're not letting them see anything that might piss off the fans.

But what they are releasing is in direct correlation with what narked the fans before i.e. crossed sabres. They seem to be trying to answer a lot of the issues directly with the fans.

It feels as if they are teasing a little bit too much, but it goes back to my earlier point, the vast majority of purchasers won't know or care about previous issues, they will buy the set because they want to own Star Wars in HD. It feels a lot like they are just trying to appease the fans, but in doing so are causing even more debates and controversy about a release which to date no-one has really seen.

Fun!

Jumpman

08-22-2011 01:51 PM

Did I not read somewhere that part of the problem with the '04 release being a rush job was to combat the huge surge in pirated copies of the film. They got it out asap to beat the pirates, but clearly forgot to use quality control. As a direct result, fan edits sprung up and made the matter worse for them.

I had heard this was a factor as well...I'm just not quite sure how big a factor it was.

The Apocalypse

08-22-2011 01:57 PM

I think we all should breathe a lot easier for now, because going by the reports, at the very very least, it appears to be quite an improvement on the 2004 DVDs.

Jumpman

08-22-2011 01:59 PM

For the tech wizards out there, I have a question, how much more can the human eye realistically see after 1080p?

I mean, for the average consumer, is there a significant visual difference between 1080p and 2k?

I'm only asking because of the fact that Episodes II and III max out at 1080p and Lucas has basically set that resolution as the defacto resolution for the entire Saga for the future.

For home viewing purposes, isn't that enough for the future? I mean, I just don't see the industry coming out with another HD disc based format after this.

To me, the next phase is 1080p streaming/digital download that's equal to or greater than Blu Ray.

chip75

08-22-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX (Post 5104063)

So the new one is screwed on more tightly? :p

Which episode was that?

Bollocks. You got me that one slipped past my editor. He was punished severely.

It was in the last episode of Star Wars Clone Wars season two. That's the episode where General Grievous gets his cough as well....

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LimeiBook86

08-22-2011 02:01 PM

Well from what I read so far this makes me very excited and happy. I never knew that TPM had such cropping issues. I'll have to compare my DVD to the LaserDisc and VHS to see what (if any) changes there are related to cropping or the aspect ratio.

I'm happy I pre-ordered my Saga set from Amazon, I can't wait to get it. They've been working on this for years and it seems like they really did put a lot of hard work into this and have taken a lot of time and attention to certain details.

I can't wait!! :D :celebrate:

WorkShed

08-22-2011 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman (Post 5106037)

I do know that the industry is working on UltraHD which is 16X the resolution of TrueHD. I remember reading reports of an event where they used an UltraHD camera to film from the inside of a moving car and reporters had to leave because they were getting nauseous watching the footage in UltraHD.

As far as that being anything more than a niche product, who's to say. I honestly feel that Blu is the best that the main public will ever want to invest in for the foreseeable future.

HandyDandy

08-22-2011 02:05 PM

This just goes to show that no matter what good will come from this set STILL people will find fault.
Things have been fixed that fans wanted to be fixed but still we are complaining.
I suspect this is solely because people want the UOT on blu.
Lucas said no UOT on blu. Period end of story.:cool:

gallandro

08-22-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WorkShed (Post 5106028)

Of course they wrote articles with the same information. They were at the same event! Try covering an event with several reporters that are being given the same information with a press kit of those three before-and-after pictures and not write the same damn article. You obviously don't know what you are talking about because you've never been a reporter. These marketing events happen all the time. HTF and Digital Bits will report on the event because it drives page views. However, a true reviewer will not allow that to affect their final review on the final product.

Don't result to name-calling because you don't understand how the industry works. Your ignorance is repulsive.

+1. Well said, and I cannot for the life of me understand why people are jumping all over Bill Hunt and HTF. They are simply reporting what they saw and their intial impressions.

People complained that Lucasfilm was not being forthcoming with info about the discs and were not answering questions to people's satisfaction. Now they are providing a format to answer some of those questions and there are more complaints. The negativity surrounding this release is simply stunning. Lucas is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

Yancy

MerrickG

08-22-2011 02:12 PM

I was happy to hear what Bill Hunt and other industry insiders had to say. I am very curious about what "other surprises" are.

I am also a little scared. The one surprise I DO want is the restoration of Han shooting first.

Too much to ask? Probably.

Cowboy

08-22-2011 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman (Post 5106014)

Did I not read somewhere that part of the problem with the '04 release being a rush job was to combat the huge surge in pirated copies of the film. They got it out asap to beat the pirates, but clearly forgot to use quality control. As a direct result, fan edits sprung up and made the matter worse for them.

I had heard this was a factor as well...I'm just not quite sure how big a factor it was.

What? I highly doubt that....

Cowboy

08-22-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MerrickG (Post 5106079)

It would be great if it were restored but it is negated if HC is in Jedi....

aiman04

08-22-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gallandro (Post 5106078)

+1. Well said, and i cannot for the life of me understand why people are jumping all over bill hunt and htf. They are simply reporting what they saw and their intial impressions.

People complained that lucasfilm was not being forthcoming with info about the discs and were not answering questions to people's satisfaction. Now they are providing a format to answer some of those questions and there are more complaints. The negativity surrounding this release is simply stunning. Lucas is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

Yancy

Quoted for truth.

WorkShed

08-22-2011 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboy (Post 5106093)

It would be great if it were restored but it is negated if HC is in Jedi....

I don't hate Hayden in Jedi, they just need to re-shoot it. He just looks weird because he's not in the moment. Hayden said he didn't even know he was in Jedi until he saw the change. They obviously did a quick cut-and-paste using whatever footage they had instead of going through the effort to do a proper head replacement (see Blade Runner: The Final Cut).

Bukax42

08-22-2011 02:21 PM

Wen all know that YouTube video even in 1080p is highly compressed, but it still shows how the new color timing and framing looks.

Here's little comparison between screenshots from DVD [top] and clip from YT [bottom]:
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/197/dvd1j.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4723/bd1i.jpg
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5426/dvd2go.jpg
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/111/bd2i.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4642/dvd3x.jpg
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/7426/bd3.jpg

HandyDandy

08-22-2011 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gallandro (Post 5106078)

Who cares? what other people choose to complain about.
Lucas and co. have really taken their time with this and by all indications this will be amazing.
For those that are still complaining stick with your old outdated versions. At least in your mind they are the best.

aimforsilence

08-22-2011 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bukax42 (Post 5106113)

Simply stunning! Can't wait! :)

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