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Jumpman 08-25-2011 01:32 AM

The actual budget for Episodes II and III were 100 million each. Confirmed by a poster over at theforce.net which contributed spoilers and had an insider at Lucasfilm (He was legit...trust me.)

The listed official budget for both films were 115 million. But, that was never correct.

Strevlac 08-25-2011 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman (Post 5116847)
The actual budget for Episodes II and III were 100 million each. Confirmed by a poster over at theforce.net which contributed spoilers and had an insider at Lucasfilm (He was legit...trust me.)

The listed official budget for both films were 115 million. But, that was never correct.

I heard from a reliable source that Ray Park was only paid $35K for his role as Darth Maul.

singhcr 08-25-2011 01:37 AM

You gotta love the outright lies regarding the 2004 release from the StarWars.com website.

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http://www.starwars.com/news/saga_bl...ion/index.html

"Some of the issues come from these movies being finished for film and projected for film, and that's how people saw them. A lot of things that look a little different on HD or DVD are really the nature of how video treats color space," explains Huebler. A dramatic example of this came up in the 2004 DVD release, with the dimming of the lightsaber cores throughout the trilogy, even to the point where Luke's lightsaber aboard the Millennium Falcon shifted from blue to green in Episode IV."
Uh, no.... that's because you screwed around with the color timing, crushed the blacks, and turned up the contrast. Even the 1997 Special Edition releases didn't look this way! Film is a far more detailed storage medium than a 1080p Blu-ray, and color space differences have nothing to do with it either. They just won't admit that they screwed up, just like how the reverse rear channels in ANH were somehow intentional.

Snicket 08-25-2011 01:45 AM

Here is a clip from the blu of the digital Yoda in Episode I.


Don't know if it has been posted before, I can never tell in here.

42041 08-25-2011 01:45 AM

Even if Lucas wishes to disown the original film, talk about a perfect bonus feature for that unused BD layer: a raw 2k scan of the IB print, with whatever disclaimers he wants to add about how shockingly bad and unrepresentative of his vision it is ;)

Moz_90 08-25-2011 01:47 AM

The Star Wars BD Resolution
 
WoooW :ohnoes: ... 1080Pages :rock: :rock: :rock:

Duffy12 08-25-2011 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by singhcr (Post 5116862)
You gotta love the outright lies regarding the 2004 release from the StarWars.com website.



Uh, no.... that's because you screwed around with the color timing, crushed the blacks, and turned up the contrast. Even the 1997 Special Edition releases didn't look this way! Film is a far more detailed storage medium than a 1080p Blu-ray, and color space differences have nothing to do with it either. They just won't admit that they screwed up, just like how the reverse rear channels in ANH were somehow intentional.



Well, just like Neil S. Bulk posted yesterday over on AVS-

"The music in the surround channels was correct, "from a certain point of view."


:laugh:

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4K display 08-25-2011 01:59 AM

Does anyone know if the stills posted on HDR are actually from the Blu-rays?

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As a little bonus treat to help pass the time, enjoy a series of 1920x1080 (compressed) stills from the Prequel Trilogy below.

- Dan Bradley

goldenrod 08-25-2011 02:03 AM

Not very good with all the blu-ray techincals (movie grain, DNR, etc)

here's my question, the movies will have 6.1 mixes, and I only have a 5.1 HT at home, does that mean that the 6th channel (rear one?) will simultaneously on the left and right surround instead?

Beast 08-25-2011 02:04 AM

No. They're likely from the Digital Source Files. They're not screencaps from the Blu-Rays.

42041 08-25-2011 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Beast (Post 5116980)
They're not screencaps from the Blu-Rays.

And as such, there is no guarantee that they're captured correctly for accurate rendering of the blu-ray colors on your PC. The black bars in those 1080p shots are at RGB level 16 which is already wrong.

Sith 08-25-2011 02:17 AM

Those pictures are awesome in my opinion. We all know how the pictures don't always stack up to what we see on our display. So if it looks clearer when the blu's drop, it's over.

frogmort 08-25-2011 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by goldenrod (Post 5116973)
Not very good with all the blu-ray techincals (movie grain, DNR, etc)

here's my question, the movies will have 6.1 mixes, and I only have a 5.1 HT at home, does that mean that the 6th channel (rear one?) will simultaneously on the left and right surround instead?

If you have a 5.1 setup, it will just fold the rear center surround into your back left and right surounds in mono, so no sound information will be lost, you just won't get that extra seperate channel sent discretely to the back speaker(s). Even if you have a 7.1 setup, your back two speakers will still receive their own mono discreet sound to each. Each of the two rear surrounds will just split the discreet rear surround, producing the exact same sound.

killermike2178 08-25-2011 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by goldenrod (Post 5116973)
Not very good with all the blu-ray techincals (movie grain, DNR, etc)

here's my question, the movies will have 6.1 mixes, and I only have a 5.1 HT at home, does that mean that the 6th channel (rear one?) will simultaneously on the left and right surround instead?

Yes. The rear channel comes in through the left and right surrounds instead, giving you a more fuller surround experience. LOTR EE has 6.1 DTS-HD MA, too, and it sounds great on my ONKYO HT-S3300, although, my surround speakers are behind me instead of to my sides. Still, they sound great, and I'm sure Star Wars' 6.1 mixes will sound great on it, too!

crazyBLUE 08-25-2011 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by frogmort (Post 5117082)
If you have a 5.1 setup, it will just fold the rear center surround into your back left and right surounds in mono, so no sound information will be lost, you just won't get that extra seperate channel sent discretely to the back speaker(s). Even if you have a 7.1 setup, your back two speakers will still receive their own mono discreet sound to each. Each of the two rear surrounds will just split the discreet rear surround, producing the exact same sound.

:thumbsup: Thanks for answering that for him Joe, Was wondering if someone would before me :D

PeterTHX 08-25-2011 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by killermike2178 (Post 5117096)
Yes. The rear channel comes in through the left and right surrounds instead, giving you a more fuller surround experience. LOTR EE has 6.1 DTS-HD MA, too, and it sounds great on my ONKYO HT-S3300, although, my surround speakers are behind me instead of to my sides. Still, they sound great, and I'm sure Star Wars' 6.1 mixes will sound great on it, too!

LOTR is 5.1 ES matrix

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Originally Posted by frogmort (Post 5117082)
If you have a 5.1 setup, it will just fold the rear center surround into your back left and right surounds in mono, so no sound information will be lost, you just won't get that extra seperate channel sent discretely to the back speaker(s). Even if you have a 7.1 setup, your back two speakers will still receive their own mono discreet sound to each. Each of the two rear surrounds will just split the discreet rear surround, producing the exact same sound.

Discrete.

PeterTHX 08-25-2011 02:53 AM

Nobody has BD captures yet.

killermike2178 08-25-2011 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX (Post 5117177)
LOTR is 5.1 ES matrix

The theatrical versions of LOTR BD are 5.1 ES, while the extended edition BDs are discrete 6.1.

Ernest Rister 08-25-2011 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by killermike2178 (Post 5117237)
The theatrical versions of LOTR are 5.1 ES, while the extended editions are discrete 6.1.

Yup - I have an old piece of crap "THX Select" DTS-ES amp, and it plays the extended LOTR DVDs (and a few others with the special encoding) in 6.1 discrete, not the matirxed rear channel of "Dolby Digital EX".

This same piece of crap amp, however, still seems to play my Blu soundtracks via optical input from my PS3, so I'm not anticipating any problems with the Star Wars blu-rays.

Having said that...I really need to get a new amp.

Jay444 08-25-2011 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4 (Post 5116558)
In the strictest sense, "unaltered" means exactly that...no changes whatsoever. The moment you change anything - even for preservation purposes - the film is no longer in its original state. Therefore, other films like "The Wizard of Oz" or "Gone With the Wind" do not exist in their original forms, on the Blu-Ray format.

There are moments where I don't think you know what you are talking about (or you are talking things way too literally). Remastered to current standards is not altering the films. What everyone means by altering the films is adding things to the narrative structure (i.e. deleted scenes add back into the film). Unaltered means leaving the narrative the way it was when originally released (no unicorn and leaving the voice over). Every film released on blu ray has been 'remastered in High Definition' and by no means does that mean the original product of Gone with the Wind or The Wizard of Oz' have been altered. Have they been cleaned up so that you don't get scratches, pops and hisses? Of course, the marvels of modern technology are amazing. Especially in film preservation.

Anyway, lets just end this lil discussion and move back to the blu rays. I am thinking they should have this in the bonus features:



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