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Dynamo of Eternia 08-30-2011 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Beast (Post 5138565)
Hyperbole much? And how many times has it been noted that that was in regard to people other than those who created the films doing that?

Yeah, but there was a whole part of his speech about movies being preserved for public interest, etc. He clearly isn't practicing what he preached to congress.

bboisvert 08-30-2011 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Iliaster (Post 5138574)
What does Sarlacc in the Blu-Ray version look like?

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...x-Sarrlacc.png

Stryker412 08-30-2011 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by meehan (Post 5137992)
If I could get Adywan's Star Wars Revisited on Blu, I'd be the happiest man on the planet!

I use to agree with that statement but now I think even he's taking things too far. He's starting to replace things that don't need to be replaced.

I'd buy a BD version of the Original Trilogy with the color fixed and Han shooting first.

Beard Esquire 08-30-2011 11:39 PM

The following post is a slight ribbing. Boys love ribbon candy.
 
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Originally Posted by ZoetMB (Post 5138591)
Yes, some of the changes, if real, are fn silly, but so are the reactions. If people hate just about EVERYTHING that Lucasfilm is doing, whether in the originals, the special editions or changed for the BDs, then what are they doing here in the first place? I don't post on threads for movies that I have no interest in or think are bad movies. Having said that, I haven't ordered yet. I'm waiting for the first credible reviews to see what these BDs are really about. But anyone who decides to cancel their order because they just can't accept either the quality, the supposed lack of fixes or the changes, but STILL posts here is beyond all hope, IMO. In the end, they're no better than a troll.

You can't take every single frame and every single tiny bit of audio out of context and expect it to work. A movie is much more than the sum of its parts. If I dissect enough, I can make any movie ever made look bad, whether it's Birth of a Nation, Modern Times, Gone With The Wind, Casablanca, An American In Paris, Bridge on the River Kwai, Ben-Hur, Lawrence of Arabia, Midnight Cowboy, The Godfather, Amadeus, The Lord of the Rings, Slumdog Millionaire, etc. These were all Academy Award Best Picture winners and they ALL have their faults. But they were all great pictures. (And I do expect someone to post that "no, those movies were all crap".)

All this discussion about laser colors really boggles my mind. Who gives a fk? Is that what people were really paying attention to when they first saw this movie? The color of the beams emanating from the weapons? That's funny because I was paying attention to the story and the relationships between the characters. IMO, people who pay attention to this crap are making the same mistake Lucas made: he thought that by enhancing the special effects and adding more buildings, people, creatures, fighters, etc., that he was making the movie better. He didn't realize that once you achieve a certain level of believability and craftsmanship, adding more on didn't matter. The people who are critical don't realize that likewise, the color of the lasers is meaningless (all IMO, of course).

Now he's changing the laser colors too? He's gone too far this Mr. Lukas.

wildphantom 08-30-2011 11:40 PM

At this point, having just seen the R2 change and barely recovering from the alleged Vader dialogue, this is what I now want. Some sort of differentiation between the 1997 Special Edition and whatever the hell these 2011 bluray editions are. I want them called something else and I want to be able to choose between the cuts.

What I've seen of the Yoda CG effort in Menace I'm not fussed on either. Anakin's cheeky "what has that got to do with anything" was followed by a great moment with puppet yoda's ears pinning back. Now completely gone with the CG iteration, the reaction isn't the same. I'm not liking any of this at all.

I got used to the 97 Special Editions. I know the prequels backwards. Just leave them alone FFS!!!

How is hiding R2 behind more rock that hasn't been there for 34 years an improvement? It'd be like Spielberg hiding E.T a little more in Eliot's closet amongst the cuddly toys, because Dee Wallace surely should have seen him!!

chip75 08-30-2011 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaft Windu (Post 5138044)
The new Vader "NOOOOOO" could yet be a hoax - but even if it is, it's a good idea and plays quite better than before. We live post-prequels now and Vader is not some Igor to Palpatines Frankenstein but a fleshed out, emotional character... I'm excited to finally watch the complete Saga on Blu, especially since all the issues (color, sabers and so on) are finally solved!

I thought we all agreed to use a different font when expressing posts full of sarcasm?

BMM 08-30-2011 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by backgroundactorman (Post 5138494)
Heres an idea rather than spending hours,days,weeks, or months compalining about these changes to HIS movies. Why not choose to just not watch them, and be done with it allready. either watch it or dont most ppl dont care one way or another. In fact all of the worked up cliched "GL raped my child hood whines" just add fuel to the sterotypes about star wars fans.

I used to be a Lucas apologist just like you. At some point, however, it becomes impossible to defend him in all areas. There's NO excuse for these films not to be given proper restorations when there's been 7 years since the last video release to work on them. If Lucas wants to make changes to the films themselves, that's fine. While I might not agree with the alterations(the new Vader NO and NOOOO are ridiculous) I will at least concede that it's his right to do so. What I can't forgive is the laziness when it comes to the picture quality. When you have people with home PCs doing proper color correction for all 3 films it's inexcusable that a multi-billion company can't do at least equal work. As I said before, the best guy in the film restoration business, Robert A. Harris, wanted the chance to work on these films, but I'm sure Lucas didn't want someone with that much talent showing him up so he decided to let his amateur team do the work and the results speak for themselves. Anyone who thinks blue snow on Hoth, a Yoda that glows greener than Kryptonite and lightsabers that change colors in every shot are acceptable clearly has low standards.

Beard Esquire 08-30-2011 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bboisvert (Post 5138596)

Haha, bulls-eye!

IndyMLVC 08-30-2011 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bboisvert (Post 5138562)
Honestly, when you're dealing with "tweaks" of this degree, I start to care less and less about the quality. I'm buying, but I'm guessing mostly for the prequels and bonus material at this point. Most of my 1080p viewings of the OT going forward are going to be from a quality, fan-made version... 'cuz this is getting further and further away from the films I love. Hayden in RotJ was close to my breaking point. The added Vader dialog pretty much is it... I'm done. Lucas can refilm the damn thing for all I care. I'll find my own way to watch the films that I actually love and have been watching for decades.

I'm going to have to agree. *sigh* I think I'm finally done with "new" Star Wars. I'm just entirely fed up. If it weren't for the deleted scenes, I'd cancel my order. It's just not fun anymore. He's killed it.

I just showed my dad the "No" scene and we had a long discussion. He's the one who always took me to see the films as I was growing up and the one who primarily got me into Star Wars. I'm just really sad about this whole thing.

I've been talking with my best friend about this for weeks: he should just re-film the OT. He's clearly not happy with much of what he did (or HAD to do).

Ugh. We haven't heard anything about the sound mix either. I can't bear to hear how bad THAT is.

Cook 08-30-2011 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman (Post 5138556)
Oh crap, this thing is going to blow up. It's gone beyond home theater forums.

http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/r.../news/?a=45503

Lol now lets see how small of a minority us "conplainers" are. Id say more people will be upset by this than the amount who are pleased.

bboisvert 08-30-2011 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wildphantom (Post 5138601)
It'd be like Spielberg hiding E.T a little more in Eliot's closet amongst the cuddly toys, because Dee Wallace surely should have seen him!!

30th anniversary's coming up... wouldn't shock me. Maybe put some Tin-Tin toys in there to cross-promote.

georgec 08-30-2011 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman (Post 5138573)
http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/08/...rn-of-the-jedi

Honestly, I'm just laughing at this point. It's about to get ugly.

It should become ugly. People need to know what they're buying. These are legitimate quality problems. It's laughable.

One more clarification to some of you - people are canceling their preorders because they're turned off by the color problems and other alterations. There's no anger there. People can think for themselves and make decisions. They shouldn't have to submit and buy the set anyways because "they're HIS movies" or "it's SW on blu." Each consumer should make an informed decision.

Again, stop attacking people and labeling them because they don't feel inclined to buy this set like some of you. They have that right. If you guys are looking at these changes and other issues and really don't care, you are fully entitled, but give up the childish attacks on the "haters" and "whiners." It's really getting old, but I guess since these leaks have confirmed all the suspicions and evidence during the summer, you don't really have much of an argument other than to make baseless claims about the large number of people who have viewed the data and drawn their own conclusions.

edit - above is not directed at Jumpman

Beard Esquire 08-30-2011 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cook (Post 5138620)
Lol now lets see how small of a minority us "conplainers" are. Id say more people will be upset by this than the amount who are pleased.

(stands up)

I am upset with George Lucas.

bboisvert 08-30-2011 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Beard Esquire (Post 5138631)
(stands up)

I am upset with George Lucas.

http://lottahietanyberg.blogg.se/ima..._129106507.jpg
"It's not your fault."

Jumpman 08-30-2011 11:48 PM

I wasn't hating. I just posted the link because the outcry about these changes and things that weren't changed was contained to home theater sites for most of the day.

It's gone beyond that now. This is going to get picked up everywhere and you can bet that Lucasfilm is going watch this reaction big time...because it's not going to be a quite one.

goldenrod 08-30-2011 11:49 PM

if these blu-ray rips are indeed legitimate, then why don't we see images from thing that we know are fixed like the rotj saber cross? and why isn't the pt leaked out yet, i don't beleive that just to ot has been sent to china

Beast 08-30-2011 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cook (Post 5138620)
Lol now lets see how small of a minority us "conplainers" are. Id say more people will be upset by this than the amount who are pleased.

Unlikely. Caue there's a vast majority of people who simply don't care enough to post on websites about this stuff.

They'll see Star Wars on Blu-Ray and just happily buy it because it's available for them to purchase.

Beard Esquire 08-30-2011 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bboisvert (Post 5138637)

George should insert this dialogue over top the final duel in Episode III when Obi-Wan has the higher ground.

Breather 08-30-2011 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay444 (Post 5138241)
I still can't stop laughing! Seriously, this hurts...lol

"No. NOOOOOOOOOOO!" LMAO! A dramatic scene now turn into comedy.

Vader saying nothing and looking back and forth displayed his internal struggle perfectly (we KNOW exactly what that character is thinking and we don't even see his face...). Lucas killed the tension at the end of Empire with the TMI scene of Vader going to his shuttle, and now he does this. The man has lost his mind.

This is like adding the line: "I'm being burned alive and it hurts very much!" at the end of Revenge of the Sith...lol

Awesome. I couldn't agree more.

Ben's howl is now laughable. I never thought it needed to be changed in 2004 but I accepted that one. The new one sounds like the guy from the tower in the movie Airplane getting goosed by somebody. :D

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Beast 08-30-2011 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jumpman (Post 5138638)
I wasn't hating. I just posted the link because the outcry about these changes and things that weren't changed was contained to home theater sites for most of the day.

It's gone beyond that now. This is going to get picked up everywhere and you can bet that Lucasfilm is going watch this reaction big time...because it's not going to be a quite one.

And it wasn't a "Quiet One" for the 2004 DVDs either. Yet the majority of the reviews were positive and the copies sold were insane.


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