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earmullet 08-31-2011 09:09 PM

"I know the New York Times has been reporting it, but I’ve finally gotten word from Lucasfilm. It’s true. All the changes we’ve been obsessing over all day and night.

Yes, the updates are confirmed. We hope fans will wait to see for themselves how they fit into the Saga before making any judgments.

I’ll say, over all, I’m not unhappy about most of the changes (just like the special edition). Ewoks with blinking eyes? Awesome. More creatures in Jabba’s Palace? Sweet. An update on the Krayyt scream? Bring it on. Digital Yoda in Phantom Menace? Perfect.

This is the definitive version of the films on Blu-ray. I’ll wait and see it before I get angry about any specific change. I’ll calm down.

BUT: Though it’s the way it is moving forward, Darth Vader screaming, “Noooooooo!” as he tosses the Emperor into the reactor shaft of the Death Star is incorrect. It’s simply not a good change. It’s on the level of Han firing first. No, I think it’s worse. No, I know it’s worse. There was never a moment more heartbreaking or poignant than putting the audience in Vader’s shoes and forcing us to think about what’s running through his mind. Giving him something to say somehow undermines every sweeping bit of emotion that scene had. It interrupts it. Will I feel differently about it when I see it in context? Maybe. But right now I feel pretty hurt by it.

I don’t think I need to explain to any of you how much I LOVE Star Wars, and this will not diminish my love for it in anyway. I just hate seeing people better than me make mistakes like this.

Having said that, I’m still gladly buying these sets on Blu-ray. I’m still going to watch every minute of the films and every minute of bonus features. And I’m going to see the films in 3D when they happen as well.

Vader screaming no will simply be added to a list of flaws I don’t like about the updates of the film. It stands next to Greedo firing first, Jedi Rocks, and Jabba’s CGI work in A New Hope. Sure, it might be more major than those, but it’s a small list of things that simply won’t–can’t–outweigh my love of the world that’s been created.

No matter how upset anyone might get about any of these changes, it’s important to remember this is George Lucas’ world. He can (and does) do anything he wants with it. If you don’t like what he does with subsequent releases, don’t buy them. But don’t attack him or diminish the role he played in bringing us these stories in the first place. He deserves our respect for that. To that end, I’ll be deleting any comments below that aren’t constructive or are attacks on me as the messenger, or anyone involved in making these changes."


So we are supposed to shell out $90 to decide that we in fact hate it? No thanks.

Merlinpants 08-31-2011 09:09 PM

There has been a lot of mention about the 'standby......standby' being lost in the audio mix at the end of ANH when the Death Star is about to fire at Yavin. Seriously, this never, ever made sense to me, even as a kid watching it. I vividly remember asking my dad why they hadn't warmed up the death star laser in the 20 minutes it took to fly around the moon to get a clear shot. Why are they standing by I asked? What have they been doing for 20 minutes? Didn't they think they might have to fire and since they had 'analysed their attack and there is a threat' need to hit them first and fast?

If a kid of 6 (showing my age) asked that as I did, I'm glad it has gone. :D

Some changes amend flaws from the original that never made sense. Others take away what once was perfect. Still buying it though, it would be a sin to my home theatre not to have the falcon blasting away from Hoth cranked WAYYYYY up alongside Williams asteroid field score.

I can get over 2 words being added, seems most can't. Ces't la vie.

Romansh 08-31-2011 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MEB (Post 5143115)
I'm waiting for Bill Hunt and Robert Harris to claim that they can't hear the "Noooooooo!"

But that's a personal attack!

If it really happened, it would be funny. But for some reason I feel like they will dislike it.

kristoffer 08-31-2011 09:09 PM

Han unfrezing from Carbonite also has a new effect. I think it looks worse. :mad:

MEB 08-31-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by frogmort (Post 5143141)
I know exactly what you're implying there buddy. ;)

And a big ;) right back atcha!

:)

Mark

jordy475 08-31-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Imrahil2001 (Post 5143052)
God dammit George.

*cancels pre-order*

Ditto... I'll wait till I can get a really good deal on it...I mean seriously...does he really need to add that to the end of jedi..George, please stop!

thunderclap 08-31-2011 09:10 PM

It probably won't make a dent in making a change to the BR, but I suggest those that are angry at what Lucas is doing go vent. Do what I did: post a one-star negative review on Amazon.com. Do it for both the full series and the OT boxset. Be polite, don't be explicit spouting foul language, but explain exactly why you won't be buying this set, and urge everyone to boycott the release. Who knows... it could force Lucas to change his mind.

skyofcrack 08-31-2011 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Moz_90 (Post 5141597)
Please tell me if I'm wrong, but...

IMDB:

EPISODE 1: 136 min.
EPISODE 2: 142 min.
EPISODE 3: 140 min.

Spanish Back cover:

EPISODE 1: 153 min.
EPISODE 2: 159 min.
EPISODE 3: 155 min.


Those running times are 49 min. longer in total. Maybe GL has incorporated all the extended/deleted scenes back into the PT for this release. That's about the same time that was listed for those scenes. Another 45 min. or so for the OT. It would be easier for the PT since the material is in better shape and will blend in unlike the OT.

Bluyoda 08-31-2011 09:12 PM

Wow!
 
This thread has gone to hyperdrive!! :eek: :eek:

Can anybody please tell what's the matter?

I read on here that BD rips leaked, and all hell broke loose,

I don't want any spoilers, but has it been 100% confirmed that those are rips of the official, upcoming, BDs???

Can we have a summary or sth., as I can't read through more than 100 pages of outcries, after recording 12 hours.

Thanks in advance.

PS: Please use spoiler tags... :)

frogmort 08-31-2011 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MEB (Post 5143151)
And a big ;) right back atcha!

:)

Mark

Maybe GL should've had him say "YYYEEEEESSS!" :p

I really wish he would've fixed the technical problems instead of just screwing around with this stuff. :crazy:

earmullet 08-31-2011 09:13 PM

I wonder if Lucas will now make the case that fans, along with critics never liked his films anyway.

Kradath 08-31-2011 09:14 PM

Sorry, but I can't understand how someone could possibly like the new krayt scream as it really sounds likes some guy's voice with some strange twisting done to it afterwards with your cheap sound software.

Adam_ME 08-31-2011 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GVD_Psamtik (Post 5143142)
Congratulations Mr. Lucas. You've succeeded in making me not give a crap about these movies anymore.

I think I reached that point when Episode III turned out to be an utter piece of crap. And I actually enjoyed Episode II and thought it made up quite a bit for TPM.

He's tweaked and modified these films so many times, it's like the cinematic equivalent of what Michael Jackson did to his mug. It becomes almost impossible to remember what it was like back in its original form.

Cactus 08-31-2011 09:15 PM

What's crazy isn't just that Lucas can't stop fiddling with the films, it's that Lucasfilms apparantly believes that this is what the FANS want. The BD set is going to contain some surprises, they said smugly... and this was it? This was what you thought we were waiting for? Retorical question: Have they paid any attention to the fan discussions regarding the special editions at all?

Roonil Wazlib 08-31-2011 09:18 PM

I can see it now. More changes in store for the 3D version... The entire saga narrated by Vader... Done by Morgan Freeman.

PrivatePixel 08-31-2011 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam_ME (Post 5143172)
I think I reached that point when Episode III turned out to be an utter piece of crap. And I actually enjoyed Episode II and thought it made up quite a bit for TPM.

He's tweaked and modified these films so many times, it's like the cinematic equivalent of what Michael Jackson did to his mug. It becomes almost impossible to remember what it was like back in its original form.

.....and that's the sad part for viewers like me. :(

mrr1 08-31-2011 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cactus (Post 5143177)
Retorical question: Have they paid any attention to the fan discussions regarding the special editions at all?

I can't blame them.

This thread alone has probably made more than a few of us want to have a bath with our toaster.

Aerodude73 08-31-2011 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BMM (Post 5142341)
I left my 1 star review in hopes that other people won't flush their hard earned money down the toilet on the substandard product that is being put out there for sale.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mredman (Post 5142369)
It is is people like you that make amazon a bad site to come to. If you want to see true ratings. why would you even rate it 1 star when you haven't even seen the set yet :rolleyes:

Best Post of the Day winner!!

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Originally Posted by earmullet (Post 5142693)
Lucas has also singlehandedly helped kill the blu ray format as well with this shit.

And THIS is the Funniest Post of the Day winner!!


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Originally Posted by Phatjedi (Post 5142806)
Not going to cancel my order. Still cannot wait for the 16th. Still will enjoy them. Sorry. :rolleyes:

2nd Best Post of the Day. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandyDandy (Post 5142905)
I will also keep my complete saga pre-order.

Yup - ditto that!

Quote:

Originally Posted by mredman (Post 5142983)
Yeah me to. I laugh at the people canceling the order because of this. Talk about obsessed ha ha

While it is sad about these changes. We really can't do anything about it because it was the directors intend to change them. But i still will enjoy watching these masterpieces in glorious HD

3rd Place Best Post of the Day. :p


ON TOPIC AREA: :p ;)

Wow, holy thread explosion Batman!! :eek: :ohnoes: Just finished browsing thru 15+ pages & good to see the same old :cry: going on. :rolleyes:

So glad I ordered the COMPLETE SAGA back in April thru Barnes/Noble for $46+ tax. Like everyone's favorite SW Lover, "Ken", I too cannot wait for the delivery to my door. Everyone else, well, what will they do THEN?! A bunch of "Nah nah, nah nah nah's. WE Told You So!! :mad: :angry: "

:rolleyes:

Mavrick 08-31-2011 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by skyofcrack (Post 5143158)
Those running times are 49 min. longer in total. Maybe GL has incorporated all the extended/deleted scenes back into the PT for this release. That's about the same time that was listed for those scenes. Another 45 min. or so for the OT. It would be easier for the PT since the material is in better shape and will blend in unlike the OT.

I dunno man... The UK sets are listed with the normal running times...


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bookcase 08-31-2011 09:27 PM

I must live behind a rock because I had not heard about the latest changes to RotJ. I just read about them in Time and NYTimes, and it baffles me why Lucas continues to revise these. :confused:


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