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NexusVerbal 09-06-2011 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Beast (Post 5169410)
And I don't see any considerable difference between the Lucas of the 70's and the Lucas of the 90's.

Truly, you must be in denial.

Gary Kurtz would greatly disagree with you.

Even Rick McCallum knows Lucas is far out of the loop. When Lucas screened the first cut of The Phantom Menace for himself and the crew, McCallum could do nothing except stare at the screen in disbelief, knowing they had a huge turd on their hands. What followed was a desperate director and producer trying to piece together a proper film to no avail.

frogmort 09-06-2011 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich (Post 5169982)
I remember a representative of Lucasfilm claimed that the BD releases are going to be the SE's. But if they're changed for the 3rd or 4th time, doesn't that make them different from the SE's?

Maybe they should be called the ESE: Extra Special Editions. :D

Beast 09-06-2011 10:58 PM

Indeed. Since there's really no such thing as the "Special Editions" anymore. They're the only editions.

The only reason the theatrical release had the "SE" moniker was to make it clear it was a new release.

octagon 09-06-2011 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich (Post 5169982)
I remember a representative of Lucasfilm claimed that the BD releases are going to be the SE's. But if they're changed for the 3rd or 4th time, doesn't that make them different from the SE's?

This is going to be one of those 'from a certain point of view' kind of things, I would think.

As recently as the preview articles a week or so ago the line was there would be tweaks and little surprises but no 'Greedo/Han' type changes.

I think that might have been a bit off the mark but there's definitely plenty of wiggle room.

SixSpeedSamurai 09-06-2011 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mredman (Post 5169921)
So i guess she doesn't know simpsons or the family guy either;)
Sorry just had to go there:D:whip:;)

Not to date myself, but I graduated from college the year Family Guy started LOL.

Beast 09-06-2011 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NexusVerbal (Post 5169990)
Truly, you must be in denial.

Or I simply don't see it. But then I don't see the differences between the OT or PT either.
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Gary Kurtz would greatly disagree with you.
And I care what he thinks.... why? It's just another opinion. A bitter one at that.
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Even Rick McCallum knows Lucas is far out of the loop. When Lucas screened the first cut of The Phantom Menace for himself and the crew, McCallum could do nothing except stare at the screen in disbelief, knowing they had a huge turd on their hands. What followed was a desperate director and producer trying to piece together a proper film to no avail.
Don't know much about movie making, do you? First cuts often get such reactions.

That's because they're often incredibly long (3 1/2 hours) and filled with unfinished effects.

Even Lucas wasn't sure about the first cut. Might want to check out The Beginning documentary.

NexusVerbal 09-06-2011 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by frogmort (Post 5169997)
Maybe they should be called the ESE: Extra Special Editions. :D

No.

They're the ESDLC: Extra Special Deluxe Limited Collector's Editions

shesha 09-06-2011 11:09 PM

If you hear of a place selling this early, can you PM me when the time comes?

Petyr_Baelish 09-06-2011 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by svenge (Post 5167750)
That screenshot just reminded me of the absolute worst thing about Episode III: Padme's death. Yeah, there's a galaxy-spanning civilization with technology at a level nearly indistinguishable from magic, but they can't figure out what's causing her to die. Yeah, she's "lost the will to live" (while giving birth to twins no less) and that's whats causing it. Either that or the humors in her body are out of balance. Or it's lupus. Maybe some midichlorians from Anakin infected her when he force-attacked her on that lava planet or something? Obviously she had to die to fit the story into the OT, but it was handled horribly.

Dude, she died of a broken heart. Come on.

JamesKurtovich 09-06-2011 11:12 PM

She lost the will to live even though she knew Anakin was still good and had two kids to care of. Makes sense to me.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2496/...b3b96c1d47.jpg

octagon 09-06-2011 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish (Post 5170040)
Dude, she died of a broken heart. Come on.

My apologies. For a second there I actually thought you were serious.

Agent Bond 09-06-2011 11:14 PM

Does the unaltered version of the first Star Wars on the 2006 DVD just say Star Wars or is Episode IV: A New Episode still added to the opening crawl?

Beast 09-06-2011 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish (Post 5170040)
Dude, she died of a broken heart. Come on.

Which I don't understand why people find so unbelievable. Especially in a fantasy movie with aliens, robots, magic and laser swords.

It's not uncommon in fantasy films. Which Star Wars fits the genre better than it does Sci-Fi. Since it defies Science constantly.

Plus the concept isn't really that unbelievable in real life. You have these great loves that end in tragic ways. My elderly Aunt and Uncle were deeply in love. After she was accidentally killed (long story), he pretty much lost the will to live and passed away a short time later.

You can even ask people who work in the medical industry. A positive attitude and such does promote healing. So I don't see it as so hard to believe.

kurtlingle 09-06-2011 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish (Post 5170040)
Dude, she died of a broken heart. Come on.

Yep.

Petyr_Baelish 09-06-2011 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by octagon (Post 5170055)
My apologies. For a second there I actually thought you were serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takotsubo_cardiomyopathy

BladeRunner2007 09-06-2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Bond (Post 5170059)
Does the unaltered version of the first Star Wars on the 2006 DVD just say Star Wars or is Episode IV: A New Episode still added to the opening crawl?

Just "Star Wars".

Moviefan2k4 09-06-2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Beast (Post 5170019)
...I don't see the differences between the OT or PT either.

The only real differences I see are the overall style, which is OK since they take place in very different time periods.

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Even Lucas wasn't sure about the first cut. Might want to check out The Beginning documentary.
Yeah, I remember a scene between him and Spielberg, which went something like this...

GL: "I did "More American Graffiti", it made ten cents."
SS: "Really?"
GL: "Yeah, so you can overdo these kinds of things. It is possible."

Beast 09-06-2011 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent Bond (Post 5170059)
Does the unaltered version of the first Star Wars on the 2006 DVD just say Star Wars or is Episode IV: A New Episode still added to the opening crawl?

It just says Star Wars.

NexusVerbal 09-06-2011 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Beast (Post 5170019)
Or I simply don't see it. But then I don't see the differences between the OT or PT either.

And I care what he thinks.... why? It's just another opinion. A bitter one at that.

Don't know much about movie making, do you? First cuts often get such reactions.

That's because they're often incredibly long (3 1/2 hours) and filled with unfinished effects.

Even Lucas wasn't sure about the first cut. Might want to check out The Beginning documentary.

What do you mean you don't see the differences? You have eyes and ears don't you? The writing in the PT is sloppier, lifeless at times, and overall dull. Granted, George must have woken up a little before Revenge of the Sith, because it's actually got some conflict and tension in it. It almost went back to George's roots. Almost, but not quite.

And Gary Kurtz produced two of franchises greatest films. IV and V. VI was a slight decline in quality, due to the fact that George had begun turning the series into his own personal money tree. Gary Kurtz's testimony against Lucas is not an opinion man. It's fact, and others who have worked with George have attested to that.

Final Cut on Phantom Menace still blows. For instance, can you tell me who the main character in The Phantom Menace is?

Post Prod 09-06-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beast (Post 5170060)
Which I don't understand why people find so unbelievable. Especially in a fantasy movie with aliens, robots, magic and laser swords.

It's not uncommon in fantasy films. Which Star Wars fits the genre better than it does Sci-Fi. Since it defies Science constantly.

Plus the concept isn't really that unbelievable in real life. You have these great loves that end in tragic ways. My elderly Aunt and Uncle were deeply in love. After she was accidentally killed (long story), he lost the will to live and passed away a short time later.

it kind of craps on her character. makes her seem really weak. most of the fantasy involves feats of strength and ability not feats of weakness.

She got choked, I think everyone would've been just fine if it was just that.
Instead she's a single mom who dies because the father turns out to be a hunk of crap. Where would reality TV be if all women were so weak.


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