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ObiTrentKenobi 06-20-2012 06:51 PM

With this newly found hope, I'm dreaming of a "Definitive" set, of which we will get the 2011 Bluray Edition AND the unaltered trilogy (with a proper master transfer of course). With or without bonus features (preferably with SOMETHING of course though).

And it would be ideal in individual release packages, like done in 2006. But heck, I'd spend $80 again on a saga set if I could get the unaltered trilogy properly transfered to bluray with it.

Individual "ultimate" steelbooks would be amazing of each film if it included the 2011 and originals! I'd pay $30 a piece even! And I also would take back any bad thing ever said about lucasfilm.

Falaskan 06-20-2012 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ObiTrentKenobi (Post 6091828)
With this newly found hope, I'm dreaming of a "Definitive" set, of which we will get the 2011 Bluray Edition AND the unaltered trilogy (with a proper master transfer of course). With or without bonus features (preferably with SOMETHING of course though).

And it would be ideal in individual release packages, like done in 2006. But heck, I'd spend $80 again on a saga set if I could get the unaltered trilogy properly transfered to bluray with it.

Individual "ultimate" steelbooks would be amazing of each film if it included the 2011 and originals! I'd pay $30 a piece even! And I also would take back any bad thing ever said about lucasfilm.

It will happen in 2078. The same page number that we are on now!

JTStarkiller 06-20-2012 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D (Post 6087916)
BTW I really dig the comments about the Force being brought back in to balance by him destroying the Jedi and the Sith. It never occurred to me to think about it in that way before, because when you watch the saga as a whole it finishes with the Sith getting destroyed and the Jedi still able to carry on, so where's the balance in that, right?

I think it's been stated by George that "balance" isn't a term used in the traditional sense in regards to the prophecy of the chosen one.

From Wookieepedia...

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In an interview, Lucas compared the difference between the light and dark sides as being like the difference between a symbiotic relationship and a cancer. A symbiotic relationship is one which benefits both parties and in which neither is harmed, whereas a cancer takes without giving back, eventually causing the death of both parties
Lucas interview...

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"...which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."
More from Wookieepedia...

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However, it should be made clear that as far as George Lucas is concerned, the story ends with Return of the Jedi with the Sith destroyed and the Force in balance. "But there's no story past Episode VI, there's just no story. It's a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story."

budious 06-20-2012 08:00 PM

I still think there is room for a Chewbacca, ala Mr. Belvedere, watching Han and Leia's kids sequel in there somewhere for EP VII.

Aragorn the Elfstone 06-20-2012 08:01 PM

I dunno, I've never been able to get into the whole restructuring of the story into a 6 film saga about Anakin Skywalker. For me, Star Wars is still 'The Star Wars Trilogy', with the main characters being Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and Princess Leia. Then after that you have the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy about Obi-wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, and Padme Amidala. I actually have always wished that Lucas would have made Obi-wan the protagonist of the new trilogy (which is what I thought the movies were going to be when they first started talking about them). Obviously he had other goals in mind, but for me the films will just never be a linear 6 film series about Anakin balancing the Force.

Moviefan2k4 06-20-2012 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aragorn84 (Post 6092151)
I actually have always wished that Lucas would have made Obi-wan the protagonist of the new trilogy (which is what I thought the movies were going to be when they first started talking about them).

Well, he basically did; Obi-Wan is one of the top Jedi Knights in the Old Republic, right behind Yoda and Mace Windu. Anakin was more powerful, but his recklessness was his undoing.

There's a line in the "Sith" novel, when Yoda says to Qui-Gon Jinn, "I trained these Jedi to be like my masters of old, not realizing the Sith we fought were different from the past. Change the Order did not, because let it change, I would not." It shows a great humility, where he realizes a static approach to every pupil no longer served them best. Qui-Gon then says Yoda shouldn't condemn himself for Anakin's downfall, and offers to train him as an apprentice.

Aragorn the Elfstone 06-20-2012 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4 (Post 6092582)
Well, he basically did; Obi-Wan is one of the top Jedi Knights in the Old Republic, right behind Yoda and Mace Windu. Anakin was more powerful, but his recklessness was his undoing.

I suppose. Obi-wan's certainly the hero of the trilogy, but it's Anakin's story that drives the narrative (at least in II & III).

Geoff D 06-20-2012 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JTStarkiller (Post 6091977)
I think it's been stated by George that "balance" isn't a term used in the traditional sense in regards to the prophecy of the chosen one.

George can waffle on about it all he wants, but he didn't bother explaining this stuff in the films and I don't like filling in the gaps with info after the fact. The destruction of the Jedi AND the Sith, with Anakin as the catalyst, perfectly fits the traditional sense of the word "balance", in reference to the Force.

miniroll32 06-28-2012 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ObiTrentKenobi (Post 6082688)
OK guys, revisiting this old thread for the billionth time...

Haha! Thanks for that anyway, some good observations :) I don't think even Lucas would be foolish enough to actually cut up the o-neg just for the SE's. Thinking back, I remember reading in a magazine how they could only digitally restore about 20% of each movie because the processes were so expensive back then, and the rest were just the result of the physical clean-up work. When you look at those 1997 VHS's, the digitally restored shots stand out like a sore thumb now, but I have to admit that as a whole they all look impressive.

Also, Lucas said that they had to redo all the optical wipes/transitions, and so in order to do that they would have needed to transfer the ends/beginnings of each scene into digital information anyway for a new print.

The worst things that we can hope for are;
  1. Lucas writes in his will, "Never release the OT's! Or I'll come back and haunt you b!tch"
  2. The o-neg combusts miraculously.
  3. It turns out that he has right… we're all mis-remembering how the Star Wars films looked! Amnesia I guess...

PrivatePixel 06-29-2012 11:13 PM

After 2000 pages and 40,000+ posts on the subject, is there anything new left to be discussed?

I thought this might be a nice diversion, only because the Blu-ray edition was mentioned in the lyrics (I'm sure there are thousands of parodies on the subject, but this is one of the better ones and a more contemporary take)


LYRICS

[DARTH:]
Now and then I think of when I was in power
Like choking people with the Force until they died
But then you told them all my history
And took away my masculinity
And had my character portrayed by subpar actors.

You are now addicted to an overuse of graphics
And making Greedo shoot first? Han shot first.
So when you tried to have the Force make sense
You introduced the midichlorians
And what's the deal with having me be dubbed over (Noooooooooo!)

But you didn't have to change it all.
Make 'em like they never happened and the fans are nothing
I don't even need your love
But you treat me like a Bantha and that feels so rough
No you didn't have to make them blow
Have your friends direct your movies and they'll turn out better.
You think that you don't need them though
What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know

What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know
What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know

[GEORGE LUCAS:]
Now and then I think of all the times I screwed fans over.
I had them believing that the first three films were really done.
But Star Wars will be done my way
I don't care what you have to say
I think that they should let it go
And they'll never get the Blu-Ray of the Star Wars that you used to know

[DARTH:]
You didn't have to change it all.
No more puppets, no more practical effects or nothin'
I don't even need your love
But you treat me like a wampa and that feels so cold.
No you didn't have to sell your soul
Do we really need to watch them all again in 3D?
Jar Jar was an all time low
What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know

[x2]
The movies
(I used to know)
The movies
(What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know)

(I used to know)
(That I used to know)
(I used to know)
(That I used to know)

JamesKurtovich 06-30-2012 06:31 AM

^ That is awesome. I liked George's portrayal. That ought to rustle some jimmies.

KaineKinetic 06-30-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich (Post 6134031)
^ That is awesome. I liked George's portrayal. That ought to rustle some jimmies.

What????:confused:

Geoff D 06-30-2012 02:57 PM

Meh. Just sounds like the same old complaints to me.

goresnet 06-30-2012 03:04 PM

Best parody ever! Heard it straight from GL's mouth, no originals on BD.

Angel Eyes 06-30-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D (Post 6134701)
Meh. Just sounds like the same old complaints to me.

Yes it does sound like the same old valid complaints. Very funny though!

Geoff D 07-01-2012 12:25 PM

Pffft. Valid or not, it's still the same old shit.

Roonan 07-01-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel Eyes (Post 6134903)
Yes it does sound like the same old valid complaints. Very funny though!

The only valid complaint is the lack of the original versions. Everything else is the same stupid childish rant (heck, not even children to that).

Troy73 07-03-2012 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel (Post 6132901)
After 2000 pages and 40,000+ posts on the subject, is there anything new left to be discussed?

I thought this might be a nice diversion, only because the Blu-ray edition was mentioned in the lyrics (I'm sure there are thousands of parodies on the subject, but this is one of the better ones and a more contemporary take)

'The Star Wars That I Used To Know' - Gotye parody

LYRICS

[DARTH:]
Now and then I think of when I was in power
Like choking people with the Force until they died
But then you told them all my history
And took away my masculinity
And had my character portrayed by subpar actors.

You are now addicted to an overuse of graphics
And making Greedo shoot first? Han shot first.
So when you tried to have the Force make sense
You introduced the midichlorians
And what's the deal with having me be dubbed over (Noooooooooo!)

But you didn't have to change it all.
Make 'em like they never happened and the fans are nothing
I don't even need your love
But you treat me like a Bantha and that feels so rough
No you didn't have to make them blow
Have your friends direct your movies and they'll turn out better.
You think that you don't need them though
What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know

What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know
What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know

[GEORGE LUCAS:]
Now and then I think of all the times I screwed fans over.
I had them believing that the first three films were really done.
But Star Wars will be done my way
I don't care what you have to say
I think that they should let it go
And they'll never get the Blu-Ray of the Star Wars that you used to know

[DARTH:]
You didn't have to change it all.
No more puppets, no more practical effects or nothin'
I don't even need your love
But you treat me like a wampa and that feels so cold.
No you didn't have to sell your soul
Do we really need to watch them all again in 3D?
Jar Jar was an all time low
What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know

[x2]
The movies
(I used to know)
The movies
(What happened to the Star Wars that I used to know)

(I used to know)
(That I used to know)
(I used to know)
(That I used to know)

Wow! This is pathetic! Let it f*cking go already!

Aragorn the Elfstone 07-03-2012 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Troy73 (Post 6143870)
Wow! This is pathetic! Let it f*cking go already!

If Mr. Lucas had taken that advice, nobody would even be having this conversation.

thirteen 07-03-2012 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Aragorn84 (Post 6143948)
If Mr. Lucas had taken that advice, nobody would even be having this conversation.

Ha!


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