Back to the Future also has (I've mentioned it before) one of the best opening sequences in film history where half a dozen things are shown to you without beating the audience over the head with the. We learn the Doc's been away for a while, he took the Plutonium of the terrorists, he maybe a mad scientist etc etc.

I think they steal their women, rape and torture them and if they survive that they become intergrated. Plus the Emperor made them do it....

I thought it to be more like the recent kidnappings in the middle east. Like the sandpeople were oppressed outsiders of society (tribal if you will) and were holding her ransom or had eventual plans to kill her. Their brutality was probably so well known that when Anakin admits he took out the whole darn tribe that it really didn't scare Padmae at all. Like she identified with how one would feel if dealing with the same kind of thing ("They are savages! Animals!"). That is how I took it.

Could there have been something else done to display how brutal the sandpeople are? Of course, but it probably would have slowed the pacing of the film down and we sort of get the idea that they were def beating her (tied to a post and she was clearly battered).

In the end, I just don't care anymore. You often find out that they really haven't even paid attention to the things going on in the PT, and then they come on trashing them. We have had these things happen numerous times on here.
Sure, they are not perfect, but they sure are a gazillion times better than nostalgic UOT fans make them out to be.
Nothing could ever have met their expectations. NOTHING!

It should have broken records!

Absolutely, they wanted to see SW just like the old ones, but George put everything upside down. I, for one, am happy that George didn't show a bada$$ Anakin/Vader...

Yes, absolutely. Lucas had to work within the limitations of the time, besides the fact that he was pushing it to the limits...
The OT would have looked very different then what they ended up looking, due to the limitations. I am sure many UOT fanatics say that's a good thin, but I would have liked to see his full visions brought to life.

Nah, Lucas was just saying so that he could make Steven responsible that George wanted to have changed etc. It was basically a joke. It's on the ROTS DVD, I believe in the "Within One Minute" documentary.

And you call yourself a SW fan!?!?!?? ;)

I am not amused! :p

Yes. You are a true SW fan. :) :D


100% agreed.
Even in the pics I couldn't see the flaws.
This is just ridiculous nit-picking.

Some people have way too much free time on their hands. :rolleyes:

Ok, ok I deserve that one ;)

I have. :)

If it's the one about the bestselling BD set this year that is?!?


Well, I'll let it slip this time. ;)

:eek:

WRONG! Expectations would have been met if the prequels actually coherently lined up with the OT. As they currently exist, they are more like roughly similar event from another dimension/timeline at best.

Ok, this part of your post here makes sense in response to Jay444's post that you quoted (which I also happen to agree with). But as far as I can tell, it has nothing what-so-ever to do with OG Pooh's post (which you quoted and put in between the Jay444 quote and your response to it). There's no connection at all.

Or is this one of those incomplete thoughts that you don't have time to fully express because you are "SO busy" (even though you had time to write out this otherwise long-ass post), and you expect people to be able to "add it all up" even though you haven't given them anything to add up? ;)

I'm surprised that scene alone didn't warrant a pg-13 rating.

Well, I don't agree with that-- I was just expecting good movies. I wasn't that nostalgic over Star Wars either-- like I said before, I got into Star Wars maybe a couple of years before the Special Edition hit in '97. And believe me, I get the prequels. And the more I watched them, the less I liked them.

What I think is a misconception is the idea that only hardcore "UOT" fanboys don't like the prequels because of expectations or some nonsense. From my point of view, I think that people that love the prequels have an unconditional love for Star Wars. I consider Episode I and II both bottom of the barrel as far as movies go, and anyone who loves those would just about have loved the movies no matter what they were or how they turned out, because I can't imagine the films being any worse than what they were.

Really ever see the Holiday Special?:D

I consider both movies highly flawed in many ways but not without positive aspects.

I like your way of thinking.

You're tearing me apart Padme!!!


Okay, you're right. It is SLIGHTLY possible for the prequels to be worse :D

It was supposed to be revealed in Episode III in a more explicit way that Anakin was created by the Dark Side of the Force - the Dark Side is greedy, hordes life, hordes power, etc. Anakin was created by a Dark Sith so powerful in hoarding life he could create life, and when his apprentice learned his secret, he killed his master. Anakin was 'willed' into being, 'willed' into a slave girl, by this dark person. That's why we see the Dark Bounty Hunter Mara Jade watching over Anakin during the podrace in Episode I. That's why the roof of Anakin's hovel seems to be decorated with some patterns that resemble...well...long time SW fans already know all about this.

If I have any disappointment with Lucas, it's that he wimped out, and only implied this instead of stating it in Revenge of the Sith. Anakin learning his true origin is meant to be just as big of a mind-@#$% as Luke finding out his own origin, but where Anakin crumbles, Luke triumphs. Anakin is afraid of losing power, comes to think all he is and all he wants depends on the survival of the Emperor, but Luke redeems Anakin by demonstrating how to reject greed and power. The true failure of the prequels is Lucas - for whatever reason - losing his nerve, and not explicitly revealing the true origin of Anakin. One can almost see millions of prequel-bashers watching the non-wimped version of Revenge of the Sith all scrambling to their DVDs to re-watch the 'blood' scene in Episode I, where Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan analyze Anakin's "midichlorians" only to find they are off the chart - and at the end of this scene, John Williams sneaks in some "Sith" whispering and chanting. The Phantom Menace was supposed to be a set-up for a whopper of a pay-off, but something happened between 1999 and 2005. I think - if anything can be called a failure regarding the prequels - that's the biggest. The prequels don't even tell the full, central, horrible, tragedy of Anakin, which was intended to amplify (not diminish) the revelation of Luke's origin in Empire Strikes Back, all leading to one hell of a multi-generational climax in Return of the Jedi.

I know this is absolute crazy talk, but Lucas talks all the time about films never being finished, only abandoned...I can't help but hope that one day, he 'fixes' Revenge of the Sith so that it relates all he originally intended it to. By doing so, he would go a long way towards redeeming the gaping wound in the reputation of the Star Wars saga.

I did naht kill her, it's naht true, it's bullshit I did naht kill her I did NAAAHHHTTT! Oh hai Master.:D

And then they all dress up in tuxedos and go play football. The End. :p

If I recall and I could be wrong here, but I think Lucas changed his mind and only hinted at it because he felt it was one too many "I am your father" moments in the saga. He felt that for Palpatine to be Anikan's father was a little too convenient. I remember hearing this somewhere, but like I said I could be wrong. I agree with you that it would have been interesting. It would have created this cycle effect that goes on through the saga leading as you say to a mulit-generational smackdown at the end. Anikan is told his whole existence is a result of a Sith, and he crumbles under this knowledge and nearly destroys the Jedi. Luke finds out his father is a Sith, and rises up and destroys ths Sith. Its a nice example of Luke being faced with the same moments but taking a different path than his father did which Lucas has said he wanted to come through in the prequels. He wanted us to realize that where Anikan failed Luke succeeded so it is definitely odd that Lucas went back on this idea at its most crucial moment. Still I am aware of Palpatine being Anikan's father pretty much so I am content in just knowing. Maybe one day Lucas will reinsert it into the film.

:lolcry::rotfl:

That would have been worth it just to see the protests when word got out that Darth Vader was the result of a Dark Virgin Birth. And I'm not talking about protests from fans. I'm thinking pulpits and parents and PTAs oh my!

God, that would have been funny.

I mean seriously, seriously, seriously funny

That would have made this thread look like one of the halls in Japan where people play Go and all you hear all day are the clicks of the stones.

He shoulda done that, that would have been so freaking cool.

Really? So you never seen Episode 6 then? The Revenge Of The Furry Cannibal Teddy Bears. You should because it's a true masterpiece of cinema according to some people ;)