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Ryan0503 04-12-2011 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluyoda (Post 4606314)
Yeah, it's not Anakin. It's Palpatine. George Lucas is even says so in the audio commentary of TPM. I thought this was very clear for everyone, but I guess not. :shrug:

Didn't know he named Palpatine in the audio commentary .... it has been years since I watched it with commentary, still I thought it was kinda obvious lol

shelldweller 04-12-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluyoda (Post 4606314)
Yeah, it's not Anakin. It's Palpatine. George Lucas is even says so in the audio commentary of TPM. I thought this was very clear for everyone, but I guess not. :shrug:

Ok, I also think "the Phantom Menace" refers to Palpatine...
but like many things in Star Wars I think it can be seen on different levels.
You could say it refers to Anakin or Darth Maul or even the shift in the force.

"A new Hope" doesn´t only have to refer to Luke. It can also be the plans being received by the rebels etc ...

starwarsagent 04-12-2011 11:47 AM

I Know i've heard that before...that Palpatine was the phantom menace..but that was at the time...overall, during the PT the real menace is Anakin...from a certain point of view...

Of course others think the phantom menace was darth maul. lol.

thank you for correcting me.:p

Ryan0503 04-12-2011 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shelldweller (Post 4606353)
Ok, I also think "the Phantom Menace" refers to Palpatine...
but like many things in Star Wars I think it can be seen on different levels.
You could say it refers to Anakin or Darth Maul or even the shift in the force.

"A new Hope" doesn´t only have to refer to Luke. It can also be the plans being received by the rebels etc ...

I agree. Just as The Phantom Menace refers to the sequence of events that are set in motion on Naboo I think A New Hope refers to the sequence of events that are set in motion with Luke meeting Obi-wan on Tatooine that ultimatly lead to the destruction of the Empire. Like I said befoe I always thought they refered to the idea than an actual person

starwarsagent 04-12-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan0503 (Post 4606439)
I agree. Just as The Phantom Menace refers to the sequence of events that are set in motion on Naboo I think A New Hope refers to the sequence of events that are set in motion with Luke meeting Obi-wan on Tatooine that ultimatly lead to the destruction of the Empire. Like I said befoe I always thought they refered to the idea than an actual person

I actually did some research on this..took me years...I came up with this..


The Phantom Menace: What is the opposite of Menace? Hope. A new hope, not a menace anymore.


Attack of the Clones: What is the opposite or similarity to Attack? Strike. Empire strikes back. What happened after the attack? there was a strike.


Revenge of the Sith. What is the opposide of revenge? Revenge of the Jedi. Originally called. After the revenge the jedi returns..

see how the titles make sense?
;)

starwarsagent 04-12-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan0503 (Post 4606439)
I agree. Just as The Phantom Menace refers to the sequence of events that are set in motion on Naboo I think A New Hope refers to the sequence of events that are set in motion with Luke meeting Obi-wan on Tatooine that ultimatly lead to the destruction of the Empire. Like I said befoe I always thought they refered to the idea than an actual person

The Phantom Menace was Darth Sidious in TPM. I agree..but if you look at the whole PT...you get the sense that the real menace was Anakin. So the title of the first movie goes beyond the first film. The same way A new Hope follows up till ROTJ.

Bluyoda 04-12-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shelldweller (Post 4606353)
Ok, I also think "the Phantom Menace" refers to Palpatine...
but like many things in Star Wars I think it can be seen on different levels.
You could say it refers to Anakin or Darth Maul or even the shift in the force.

"A new Hope" doesn´t only have to refer to Luke. It can also be the plans being received by the rebels etc ...

Yeah, good and valid points, except perhaps for Darth Maul, who I don't think is important enough, and it once more proves that these movies are so much more complex than they appear to be. :)

Aquel 04-12-2011 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by starwarsagent (Post 4606464)
I actually did some research on this..took me years...I came up with this..


The Phantom Menace: What is the opposite of Menace? Hope. A new hope, not a menace anymore.


Attack of the Clones: What is the opposite or similarity to Attack? Strike. Empire strikes back. What happened after the attack? there was a strike.


Revenge of the Sith. What is the opposide of revenge? Revenge of the Jedi. Originally called. After the revenge the jedi returns..

see how the titles make sense?
;)

There are of course more parralels between the films:

Ep. 1: Everything appears to be relatively fine, a menace is looming though.
Ep.IV: Empire has taken control, freedom is about to come.

Ep. II+V: Republic/Empire uses Clones/Stormtroppers, score a victory.
A difference: THe Republic strikes first, the Empire was a retaliation after the destruction of the first Death Star.

Ep.III+VI: Jedi are wiped out, Sith take control. In VI the Sith are wiped out and the Jedi are the leading faction once more.

Ryan0503 04-12-2011 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by starwarsagent (Post 4606476)
The Phantom Menace was Darth Sidious in TPM. I agree..but if you look at the whole PT...you get the sense that the real menace was Anakin. So the title of the first movie goes beyond the first film. The same way A new Hope follows up till ROTJ.

Rather Anakin had turned to the dark side or stayed a jedi Palpatine's plan would have brought down the Republic. Anakin was never the real threat, he was just a pawn of Palpatine ... so looking at the PT as a whole the real menace was Palpatine.

starwarsagent 04-12-2011 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan0503 (Post 4606497)
Rather Anakin had turned to the dark side or stayed a jedi Palpatine's plan would have brought down the Republic. Anakin was never the real threat, he was just a pawn of Palpatine ... so looking at the PT as a whole the real menace was Palpatine.

We all knew Anakin would turn to the dark side Ryan.

Aquel 04-12-2011 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan0503 (Post 4606497)
Rather Anakin had turned to the dark side or stayed a jedi Palpatine's plan would have brought down the Republic. Anakin was never the real threat, he was just a pawn of Palpatine ... so looking at the PT as a whole the real menace was Palpatine.

Agreed. When Dooku and Anakin dueled the winner would become/remain his apprentice. As such, Anakin wasn't truly necessary, Palpatine just saw more potential in him than Dooku (since he created Anakin in the first place of course :P).

Ryan0503 04-12-2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by starwarsagent (Post 4606520)
We all knew Anakin would turn to the dark side Ryan.

I dont think ANYONE would argue that point. My point was that Palpatines plan of controling the galaxy didn't depend on Anakin turning to the dark side. Plus Anakin wouldn't have been any kind of threat without Palpatine. To me that makes Palpatine the real threat ... not Anakin.

Forever Knight 04-12-2011 01:23 PM

I wonder how much grain I can expect out of the original trilogy..... it's gonna anger me... I just know it.

Bluyoda 04-12-2011 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever Knight (Post 4606639)
I wonder how much grain I can expect out of the original trilogy..... it's gonna anger me... I just know it.

Because it's going to be too much or too little (DNR)? :confused:

Anyways, I forgot to say that I really, really, really, really want Jabba The Hutt in ROTJ replaced by the CGI Jabba, which is so much better.

Yoda in ESB and ROTJ is Ok, but I would appreciate CG enhancement, such as improved lip movement and subtle things like that.

shelldweller 04-12-2011 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluyoda (Post 4606654)
Because it's going to be too much or too little (DNR)? :confused:

Anyways, I forgot to say that I really, really, really, really want Jabba The Hutt in ROTJ replaced by the CGI Jabba, which is so much better.

Yoda in ESB and ROTJ is Ok, but I would appreciate CG enhancement, such as improved lip movement and subtle things like that.

That would be great! Generally they should leave the Yoda-puppet but improve it to some extend with CGI. A CGI Salacious Crumb would be great too!

BankytheHack 04-12-2011 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluyoda (Post 4606654)
Because it's going to be too much or too little (DNR)? :confused:

Anyways, I forgot to say that I really, really, really, really want Jabba The Hutt in ROTJ replaced by the CGI Jabba, which is so much better.

Yoda in ESB and ROTJ is Ok, but I would appreciate CG enhancement, such as improved lip movement and subtle things like that.

Lucas had better not even dream of touching Jabba in Jedi. While he's at it he should completely remove the Jabba scene from A New Hope. The scene is unnecessary, and CGI Jabba looks beyond awful.

Beast 04-12-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BankytheHack (Post 4606719)
Lucas had better not even dream of touching Jabba in Jedi. While he's at it he should completely remove the Jabba scene from A New Hope. The scene is unnecessary, and CGI Jabba looks beyond awful.

The CGI Jabba looks no worse than the giant puppet from RotJ. So there's no sense messing with either.

Chordata 04-12-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Beast (Post 4606880)
The CGI Jabba looks no worse than the giant puppet from RotJ. So there's no sense messing with either.

No you're wrong.

BankytheHack 04-12-2011 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O_V_N (Post 4607022)
No you're wrong.

Amen. I'll take a well-crafted puppet any day of the week over a shoddy looking CGI render. I'm good with CGI characters if the time and care is taken to bring them fully to life (i.e. Gollum or Davey Jones), but nothing in the Star Wars special editions or prequels even came close to those creations.

starwarsagent 04-12-2011 03:19 PM

bluyoda..the puppet in ROTJ is better...the only puppet that needs to be fixed is the YODA from TPM because he LOOKS NOTHING like YODA!


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