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P@t_Mtl 05-13-2011 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Beast (Post 4725858)
You guys see this yet? An awesome little news report paroding the Bin Laden thing. :)

http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2...is-killed.html
It's funny, disturbing of course but funny :)

Beast 05-13-2011 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl (Post 4725906)
It's funny, disturbing of course but funny :)
It's kinda an eerie parallel. My favorite bits?

The Imperials claiming that Kenobi's companions were killed also. And that Luke and Han use Leia as a human shield.

And how Vader deals with the vanishing of Obi-Wan's body. Since they want people to see the Jedi's as religious nutcases.

kenkraly2004 05-13-2011 08:20 PM
I am going to be happy with this star wars saga blu-ray box set no matter what and I know from reading the blogs and forums that people are jumping to conclusions about the box set and what was and what was not announced for the box set but in the end we all will enjoy the star wars saga on blu-ray disc. And as mention before if all the fixed from the 2004 OT SE dvd's are addressed like the color timing and the sound mix for episode 4 ANH that will make the set even better. We just can't rush to judgement on the blu-ray box set until it comes out in September and then we can judge for ourself's about the box set.

Mr. Lost 05-13-2011 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by frogmort (Post 4725499)
Nicely said imdb_acc, I was a thirteen year old boy when RotJ came out, and I can tell you that I found her very attractive back then, and her kicking ass while dressed that way just made her even more attractive!
Nearly died laughing

I thought it meant... Revenge of the Jabba :p

kpkelley 05-13-2011 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Beast (Post 4725920)
And how Vader deals with the vanishing of Obi-Wan's body. Since they want people to see the Jedi's as religious nutcases.
And the guy making the announcement is of the same "religion," as they guy they killed.:eek:
[Show spoiler]j.k.:p

Moviefan2k4 05-13-2011 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Beast (Post 4725920)
Since they want people to see the Jedi's as religious nutcases.
Well, Lucas has openly admitted that the concept of "The Force" was born from his own studies of various world religions, and his own attempts to find common threads between them all. He also borrowed very heavily from the writings of Joseph Campbell. Unfortunately, what ultimately resulted was the creation of an ambiguous, impersonal, vague "energy field", which somehow had a will of its own, though initially, we're never told how. Then, in the prequels, Lucas added the whole "midichlorian" and "symbiosis" concepts, which just muddled the whole thing even further. Personally, I think it worked much better in the OT, before Lucas felt he had to go all "super-scifi-mystic" with it. :(

Beast 05-13-2011 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4 (Post 4726083)
Well, Lucas has openly admitted that the concept of "The Force" was born from his own studies of various world religions, and his own attempts to find common threads between them all. He also borrowed very heavily from the writings of Joseph Campbell. Unfortunately, what ultimately resulted was the creation of an ambiguous, impersonal, vague "energy field", which somehow had a will of its own, though initially, we're never told how. Then, in the prequels, Lucas added the whole "midichlorian" and "symbiosis" concepts, which just muddled the whole thing even further. Personally, I think it worked much better in the OT, before Lucas felt he had to go all "super-scifi-mystic" with it. :(
Well, I just mean how Palpatine ran a campaign of disinformation after rising to power.

So that people like Han Solo see the Force as a "Hokey Religion".

Dotpattern 05-13-2011 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4 (Post 4726083)
Well, Lucas has openly admitted that the concept of "The Force" was born from his own studies of various world religions, and his own attempts to find common threads between them all. He also borrowed very heavily from the writings of Joseph Campbell. Unfortunately, what ultimately resulted was the creation of an ambiguous, impersonal, vague "energy field", which somehow had a will of its own, though initially, we're never told how. Then, in the prequels, Lucas added the whole "midichlorian" and "symbiosis" concepts, which just muddled the whole thing even further. Personally, I think it worked much better in the OT, before Lucas felt he had to go all "super-scifi-mystic" with it. :(
I have some thoughts on this:

1) If you were to watch the movies in Episode order (as I showed them to my girlfriend), then hearing about midichlorians in the OT would have become redundant, as it's already discussed in the prequels. There's no need for us to have to listen to it all again.

2) It's entirely possible that over the 20 years Obi-Wan was in retreat on Tatooine he learned something about the Force that changed his belief about it. Many, many people change their beliefs during the course of their lives. Perhaps Obi-Wan came to believe that midichlorians, while existing in the physical body, had very little to do with a person's ability to use the Force. And lastly...

3) At the end of the day, knowledge of midichlorians makes no difference to Luke. Just like him being too old to start training makes no difference. To Obi-Wan, Luke is their last hope at destroying Vader. Obi-Wan's not going to hinge his last hope on Luke's midichlorian count (or Luke's knowledge of midichlorians) any more than he does Luke's age.

octagon 05-13-2011 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4 (Post 4726083)
Well, Lucas has openly admitted that the concept of "The Force" was born from his own studies of various world religions, and his own attempts to find common threads between them all. He also borrowed very heavily from the writings of Joseph Campbell. Unfortunately, what ultimately resulted was the creation of an ambiguous, impersonal, vague "energy field", which somehow had a will of its own, though initially, we're never told how. Then, in the prequels, Lucas added the whole "midichlorian" and "symbiosis" concepts, which just muddled the whole thing even further. Personally, I think it worked much better in the OT, before Lucas felt he had to go all "super-scifi-mystic" with it. :(
I don't think that was at all unfortunate. Quite the opposite - the force worked both as a plot device and as a cultural phenomenon precisely because it was ambiguous and ill-defined.

The problem with midichlorians wasn't that they muddled things...again, quite the opposite. Midichlorians demystified and made mundane something many people would have prefered remain mysterious and mystical.

Beast 05-13-2011 11:43 PM
Exactly. There's no reason for Obi-Wan or Yoda to explain them to Luke at all.
Especially given he's a big dumb blonde from the outer rim. Best to dumb it down for him.

Besides, the screening process of the prequels were simply the way of Jedis to find the best possible candidates as early as possible. Before they developed serious attachment. It indicated their potential, but it didn't mean that they would prove to be the best students or eventual Jedis.

Beast 05-13-2011 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by octagon (Post 4726679)
The problem with midichlorians wasn't that they muddled things...again, quite the opposite. Midichlorians demystified and made mundane something many people would have prefered remain mysterious and mystical.
Only if you view them to actually BE the force. Which is stated right in the movies, that they're not.

JamesKurtovich 05-14-2011 02:57 AM
Have they said anything about the quality of this release or whether or not they've fixed the problems with picture and audio?

Still not sure about buying this.

Breather 05-14-2011 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryan0503 (Post 4720020)
Not too often that two Star Wars fans can agree to diagree ... ;)
Isn't that the truth? It is a rare sight to behold. :D

Breather 05-14-2011 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by octagon (Post 4726679)
the force worked both as a plot device and as a cultural phenomenon precisely because it was ambiguous and ill-defined.

The problem with midichlorians wasn't that they muddled things...again, quite the opposite. Midichlorians demystified and made mundane something many people would have prefered remain mysterious and mystical.

I agree. The fact that the Force was vague helped make it more interesting. In all likelihood, Lucas most likely never thought of "midichlorians" back when he made the OT, like many other details of the prequels, in my opinion. I wish he had left that detail out of the prequels, too. Luke probably never heard of midichlorians in the OT because that storyline and idea didn't exist back then, not coming about until he wrote Episode I.

Scooby Blu 05-14-2011 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4 (Post 4726083)
Well, Lucas has openly admitted that the concept of "The Force" was born from his own studies of various world religions, and his own attempts to find common threads between them all. He also borrowed very heavily from the writings of Joseph Campbell. Unfortunately, what ultimately resulted was the creation of an ambiguous, impersonal, vague "energy field", which somehow had a will of its own, though initially, we're never told how. Then, in the prequels, Lucas added the whole "midichlorian" and "symbiosis" concepts, which just muddled the whole thing even further. Personally, I think it worked much better in the OT, before Lucas felt he had to go all "super-scifi-mystic" with it. :(
Yes Joseph Campbell wrote a great book entitled A Hero With A Thousand Faces. The book is worth a read for those that are interested.

And he did muddle things up quite well with the midchlorian "theory".

Moviefan2k4 05-14-2011 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Breather (Post 4727779)
I agree. The fact that the Force was vague helped make it more interesting. In all likelihood, Lucas most likely never thought of "midichlorians" back when he made the OT, like many other details of the prequels, in my opinion. I wish he had left that detail out of the prequels, too. Luke probably never heard of midichlorians in the OT because that storyline and idea didn't exist back then, not coming about until he wrote Episode I.
Yeah, Lucas also explained that his foundation for the prequels, prior to starting the "Phantom Menace" script in 1994, only existed in the form of a 10 - 15 page treatment he'd written in 1973. Of those few pages, the only definitive thing was that Anakin fought Obi-Wan, and got himself burned alive inside a volcano. In the end, that idea was expanded to the notion of a volcanic planet, and Lucas wrote the rest of the prequels as ideas came to him. He said that, contrary to popular belief, most of the political stuff was not intended as present-day social commentary, but rather was sourced from various events surrounding the Vietnam War. Of the whole saga, I think the two biggest objections I have are putting Leia in the "slave girl" outfit, and Obi-Wan's "absolutes" line to Vader.

KrugerIndustrial 05-14-2011 01:35 PM
I might actually just purchase the original trilogy set...though I prefer the artwork on the ultimate box.

-RONIN- 05-14-2011 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KrugerIndustrial (Post 4728350)
I might actually just purchase the original trilogy set...though I prefer the artwork on the ultimate box.
C'mon, you know you want the complete boxset with all it's SW goodness. ;)

horizonline 05-14-2011 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by imdb_acc (Post 4725264)
A new hope isn't tedious. But there is some magic with ESB. Jo matter how many times I watch it, I never get bored. Also, when I was a kid, it was the first time Vader scared me.

Also, on the gold bikini discussion, some people may not find leia 'hot' and that's fine. Nor do I at this time, nor do I like actresses like Megan Fox, etc. But the point is, the audience of star wars consists of a lot of kids who have never really looked at any woman in this way. But the first time they see Leia half naked, it really launches them into this whole new world and since it started with Leia, it might hold a special place for them. I don't think Lucas was catering to a perverted audience or something as Star Wars isn't about that.
But, Carrie Fisher insisted on sexualizing the character. If you see the promotions, almost every poster consists of Leia in the bikini. I guess they really wanted to emphasize this. Even in the new blu ray trailer, there is only one shot of leia and that is of her in the bikini. See for yourself, almost every poster for Rotj has leia in the bikini.
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/ima...e_jedi_old.jpg
http://www.movies-wallpapers.net/Mov...%20Jedi-03.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tOcI4_zFpN...0/2305a357.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-cQpZkIuv_...83-posters.jpg
http://http://www.uploadking.biz/out...frontSmall.jpg


Also, this in no way disgraces the character. The scene where she chokes Jabba is one of the most bad-ass movies in the entire saga. The first time we see her, she is submissive. She's chained to Han's enemy, naked, lying down and rubbing her thigh. Looking at this, leia is in a very humiliating position.

http://www.thecaptainsmemos.com/wp-c...old_bikini.jpg

But the moment she gets the chance, she chokes the he'll outta him. The moments she jumps down after killing Jabba, it simply says -"I may be half naked,chained to a slug, but you mess with me, I will damn well kill you".
http://www.leiasmetalbikini.com/hirez65.jpg

Not to mention she uses the turret and destroys Jabba's barge, half naked!!
This simply makes her the most bad ass female character in sic-Fi, even more than Ripley in Alien!!
http://www.leiasmetalbikini.com/hirez71.jpg

The next time Leia says 'you're gonna regret this', you better heed that warning! ;)

Btw, sorry for the load of pics, but I needed them to emphasize my point.
I couldn't agree more. Black and gold are also my colleges colors, so I found it to be quite appropriate for the scene at the time.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2154/...2c42de33_o.jpg

KrugerIndustrial 05-14-2011 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by -RONIN- (Post 4728440)
C'mon, you know you want the complete boxset with all it's SW goodness. ;)
I don't want it.

But then again we all know how this is going to end..


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