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Beefbowl 02-09-2011 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jsteinhauer (Post 4365085)
Now, if you do this to reach level 30, but don't finish NG+ with that character, can you still import that character into ME3? This is a point of confusion for me. I somehow got the impression that you could only import a character for whom your last save was having beaten the game.

no. It only imports characters you finished the game with.

Snake_XRS 02-09-2011 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_6 (Post 4365041)
Yes you have to import to get to 30. I did it on the first mission.

Seems to me like these barrier/incinerate/biotic trophies are going to be the hardest for me to get. Mordin is worthless IMO and I believe he is the only one with an Incinerate power. The only way to get them is the hit has to wipe out the whole meter in one shot, or that's the way I understand it. Also the multiple biotic hits has to be timed just right or it won't count. I bet I've done it 50+ times and I've only had 9 or 10 that have actually counted.

I feel like such a dork--Is the incinerate trophy only done with Mordin? I thought using incinerate ammo has the same effect, and was pretty much using it the entire game to get the trophy :doh:

jsteinhauer 02-09-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Beefbowl (Post 4365097)
I used two rounds from the Cain and it did the trick. :D

Yeah, I thought I might have to go back and get that. It's not to far back to change weapons, thankfully.

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Originally Posted by Denoku (Post 4365098)
That's Tali's recruitment right? I'm about to start that mission. This time I'll get the Geth Pulse Rifle. Should be good for an Adept.

Yes, correct.

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Originally Posted by Beefbowl (Post 4365109)
you didn't get the sniper? I had some trouble with this level last night. Damn those Geth Hunter/Destroyer's :angry:

Hunters, Destroyers and Primes. Sniper is essential.

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Originally Posted by merrick97 (Post 4365114)
Yes, but you have to beat the game once already to get the XP bonus.

After that you can start a new game and the 25% XP bonus will EASILY get you to level 30 in one playthrough.

Understood, but a source elsewhere suggests the 25% bonus kicks in after beating the story mission, even if you don't start NG+. I thought then you could play on and finish other missions without starting NG+. Am I wrong?

Dave_6 02-09-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake_XRS (Post 4365182)
I feel like such a dork--Is the incinerate trophy only done with Mordin? I thought using incinerate ammo has the same effect, and was pretty much using it the entire game to get the trophy :doh:

The ammo doesn't count. It has to be the biotic power.

Beefbowl 02-09-2011 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jsteinhauer (Post 4365188)

I thought then you could play on and finish other missions without starting NG+. Am I wrong?

you are correct.

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Originally Posted by Snake_XRS (Post 4365182)
I feel like such a dork--Is the incinerate trophy only done with Mordin? I thought using incinerate ammo has the same effect, and was pretty much using it the entire game to get the trophy :doh:

it's called incendiary ammo and not incinerate ammo :D

Mr. J 02-09-2011 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jsteinhauer (Post 4365188)
Understood, but a source elsewhere suggests the 25% bonus kicks in after beating the story mission, even if you don't start NG+. I thought then you could play on and finish other missions without starting NG+. Am I wrong?

You get a bonus whether you select new game or new game+. but you have to already have beaten the game to get this.

MerrickG 02-09-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. J (Post 4364895)
I'll do you one better....there are a few threads over there already. I'll post a few.

Lvl 30 Soldier import or new class for Insane?

I am reading it and I dont feel any differently than I did before you showed me that thread.

As a sentinel I felt that having those max shields really gave me a HUGE benefit at the beginning and allowed me to make it through parts I would not have otherwise made it through.

For a class such as soldier that relys more on pure firepower, then maybe I can see it as a slight disadvantage, but a Sentinel that relys more on powers really benefited from being level 30. It required patience and perseverance.

Frankly, some of those guys must not have been very good players either. If I can beat a game on the hardest difficulty, its not too hard a game since I would hardly call myself an elite gamer. Yes, there were some tough parts, but rarely did I have parts that I had to repeat more than once.

Mr. J 02-09-2011 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by merrick97 (Post 4365252)
I am reading it and I dont feel any differently than I did before you showed me that thread.

As a sentinel I felt that having those max shields really gave me a HUGE benefit at the beginning and allowed me to make it through parts I would not have otherwise made it through.

For a class such as soldier that relys more on pure firepower, then maybe I can see it as a slight disadvantage, but a Sentinel that relys more on powers really benefited from being level 30.

Frankly, some of those guys must not have been very good players either. If I can beat a game on the hardest difficulty, its not too hard a game since I would hardly call myself an elite gamer. Yes, there were some tough parts, but rarely did I have parts that I had to repeat more than once.

If you feel that you can do it then by all means, go ahead. But don't say that I'm giving bad advice when I'm not. Its not only me....but hundreds of other people will say the same thing. NG+ on Insanity is harder than NG Insanity. Thats a fact. Its been pretty much proven by the countless number of people who've played this game many times over and over.

Q? 02-09-2011 04:37 PM

Just got the game yesterday! Enjoying it so far, but the combat system is difficult for me to "dechipher" somehow, but not detrimental for the fun I'm having.

Icemage 02-09-2011 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jsteinhauer (Post 4365188)
Yeah, I thought I might have to go back and get that. It's not to far back to change weapons, thankfully.

Re: colossus

Unnecessary.
[Show spoiler]Bring Grunt(loyal) and Zaeed (if you don't have Squad Disrupter Ammo as a power... if you do, then whoever you want).

Bunker down your teammates on the initial platform where Kal'Reegar is and stay on the far right corner and kill all the geth except the Colossus (use Squad Disrupter Ammo, it decimates geth like nobody's business).

Take a few steps down the first ramp to the first pile of cover in the center, then retreat back to the initial platform; you have another wave of enemies that will spawn.

Approach from the LEFT side. It offers cover against the Colossus attacks. Keep your allies way back to make sure they don't rush ahead of you; you've got a couple hunters and destroyers on the way. Take them down.

As you approach the end of that left side path, there's a corner on the far wall all the way at the end. Post Grunt up on the far side with an assault rifle (pref. the Collector Assault Rifle or the Geth Pulse Rifle with Squad Warp Ammo), and have him blast away at the Colossus while you take cover from the corner on your right to deal with the smaller troops that will continually approach. He will take a few hits there, so I recommend that he have Fortification to avoid accidental KO's. Keep your other teammate well back, out of the line of fire for the Colossus.

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Hunters, Destroyers and Primes. Sniper is essential.
Not at all. You can take Hunters and Destroyers down easily with an SMG or Assault Rifle and Disrupter Ammo. Primes take a little more work; same Disrupter Ammo approach to strip their shields, then your favorite powers to knock off their armor, then let Disrupter Ammo work its magic on them.


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Understood, but a source elsewhere suggests the 25% bonus kicks in after beating the story mission, even if you don't start NG+. I thought then you could play on and finish other missions without starting NG+. Am I wrong?
The +25% kicks in when you start a new game/new game+, so no. You do not get it upon completing the main storyline.

Beefbowl 02-09-2011 05:00 PM

Hey Denoku, are you thinking to yourself "I could be playing a different class instead of playing Adept again with level 30 on insanity!". :p

Denoku 02-09-2011 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Beefbowl (Post 4365744)
Hey Denoku, are you thinking to yourself "I could be playing a different class instead of playing Adept again with level 30 on insanity!". :p

Ha not at all. I'm having fun. I am stuck now on the Geth Colossus fight though.
[Show spoiler]My tactic is different from what Icemage described though. I do have Zaeed for Squad Disruptor and I'm using Garrus for Area Overload. I just need to slow down I think during that first part. I've been taking the route up to the right. My mistake was rushing too far and I got flanked by Geth on that ramp:doh:


I am looking forward to trying out a new class though. I love Adept though and even though it can be difficult at times I'm still enjoying myself and trying new things. I'll probably go with Vanguard next, just not sure what difficulty to start on. I had no idea though that starting with a level 30 character would be harder. I thought it would have been easier if anything but oh well. Now that I'm past the earlier stages I've been dying less and progressing much faster.

Nevermind. Took my time and I ran through it like nothing. Took down the Colossus in 2mins or less:headbang:

Snake_XRS 02-09-2011 06:11 PM

Mr. J--so are you saying when you start a NG+ with a level 30 character, all enemies are level 30ish as well, and if you start insanity with a new character, all insane-level enemies are level 1?

If so, don't the weapons available and power boost on a NG+ insanity run outweigh the max level enemies?

I'm just trying to figure all this out....with Killzone coming up I want to kind of wrap up the plat as quick and easy as possible. Also, would I be better off trying to do the multiple biotic/incinerate/barrier warp trophies on a fresh insanity run or NG+?

BTW, I hate when games keep hidden stats and everything becomes speculation!!:rolleyes:

Beefbowl 02-09-2011 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake_XRS (Post 4366159)
Mr. J--so are you saying when you start a NG+ with a level 30 character, all enemies are level 30ish as well, and if you start insanity with a new character, all insane-level enemies are level 1?

If so, don't the weapons available and power boost on a NG+ insanity run outweigh the max level enemies?

I'm just trying to figure all this out....with Killzone coming up I want to kind of wrap up the plat as quick and easy as possible. Also, would I be better off trying to do the multiple biotic/incinerate/barrier warp trophies on a fresh insanity run or NG+?

BTW, I hate when games keep hidden stats and everything becomes speculation!!:rolleyes:

what do you mean by hidden stats? :confused:

Mr. J 02-09-2011 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake_XRS (Post 4366159)
Mr. J--so are you saying when you start a NG+ with a level 30 character, all enemies are level 30ish as well, and if you start insanity with a new character, all insane-level enemies are level 1?

If so, don't the weapons available and power boost on a NG+ insanity run outweigh the max level enemies?

I'm just trying to figure all this out....with Killzone coming up I want to kind of wrap up the plat as quick and easy as possible. Also, would I be better off trying to do the multiple biotic/incinerate/barrier warp trophies on a fresh insanity run or NG+?

BTW, I hate when games keep hidden stats and everything becomes speculation!!:rolleyes:

When you start a new game with an imported ME2 person, all the enemies are at whatever level you are. So if you're a level 29, the enemies will be 29.

What makes it more difficult on Insanity is that, Insanity is already difficult, but then when you import a level 29 or 30 person, the enemies are that level right off the bat. Whereas, if you start a new game....the enemies will be at your lower level....so it kind of eases the pain cause they level up as you level up.

Like I mentioned earlier, aside from you having your powers at whatever level you left off on, you start a NG+ with beginner guns, beginner paragon/renegade points but your enemies will be maxed out EVERYTHING. Meaning weapons and powers.....your leveled up powers can only do so much....

Denoku 02-09-2011 06:49 PM

Thanks to the Tempest and Disruptor Ammo the Geth Colossus went down for the count. It did suck in the beginning not having decent weapons but being an Adept I rarely use them anyways. Mostly to finish off an enemy or their shield/armor so I can do some real damage.

MerrickG 02-09-2011 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake_XRS (Post 4366159)
Mr. J--so are you saying when you start a NG+ with a level 30 character, all enemies are level 30ish as well, and if you start insanity with a new character, all insane-level enemies are level 1?

If so, don't the weapons available and power boost on a NG+ insanity run outweigh the max level enemies?

I'm just trying to figure all this out....with Killzone coming up I want to kind of wrap up the plat as quick and easy as possible. Also, would I be better off trying to do the multiple biotic/incinerate/barrier warp trophies on a fresh insanity run or NG+?

BTW, I hate when games keep hidden stats and everything becomes speculation!!:rolleyes:

Thats my opinion. That the power boost outweights the lack of firepower.

However, I can speak only from playing as a Sentinel. I can see that being possible when playing as a soldier since its a class that very much relies on firepower.

Sentinel on the otherhand relies more on tech powers and defense.

Snake_XRS 02-09-2011 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. J (Post 4366310)
When you start a new game with an imported ME2 person, all the enemies are at whatever level you are. So if you're a level 29, the enemies will be 29.

What makes it more difficult on Insanity is that, Insanity is already difficult, but then when you import a level 29 or 30 person, the enemies are that level right off the bat. Whereas, if you start a new game....the enemies will be at your lower level....so it kind of eases the pain cause they level up as you level up.

Like I mentioned earlier, aside from you having your powers at whatever level you left off on, you start a NG+ with beginner guns, beginner paragon/renegade points but your enemies will be maxed out EVERYTHING. Meaning weapons and powers.....your leveled up powers can only do so much....


Ah, now I get it. Even though you have all the weapons to choose from, they're all set to initial levels. So the difference is trying to use beginner weapons on lvl 30 or so enemies. Makes sense now, thanks.

So in my case, would you recommend getting the lvl 30 trophy than restarting a new character, and going with Sentinel instead of Soldier? I'm thinking I would be able to get the other trophies on insanity easier, as more enemies would have armor to incinerate, barriers to warp, etc-correct?

MerrickG 02-09-2011 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake_XRS (Post 4366435)
Ah, now I get it. Even though you have all the weapons to choose from, they're all set to initial levels. So the difference is trying to use beginner weapons on lvl 30 or so enemies. Makes sense now, thanks.

So in my case, would you recommend getting the lvl 30 trophy than restarting a new character, and going with Sentinel instead of Soldier? I'm thinking I would be able to get the other trophies on insanity easier, as more enemies would have armor to incinerate, barriers to warp, etc-correct?

Sentinel is the easiest way to win on Insanity unless you are an absolute MASTER at avoiding getting hit and can get off a bunch of shots using the extra firepower provided by a Soldier. But the extra layer of protection you get from the tech shield will save your butt so many times and can allow you quite a few extra chances to get to new cover when you get swarmed which does happen quite often in Insanity.

If you DO plan to do Insanity with a Sentinel, I really think you should start it with the benefit of an imported character, since for the first part of the game you lean VERY heavily on your powers to do enemy damage.

Mr. J 02-09-2011 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake_XRS (Post 4366435)
Ah, now I get it. Even though you have all the weapons to choose from, they're all set to initial levels. So the difference is trying to use beginner weapons on lvl 30 or so enemies. Makes sense now, thanks.

So in my case, would you recommend getting the lvl 30 trophy than restarting a new character, and going with Sentinel instead of Soldier? I'm thinking I would be able to get the other trophies on insanity easier, as more enemies would have armor to incinerate, barriers to warp, etc-correct?

Yes sir! If you reached level 28 or 29 by the end of the game, just import that guy, and you should get the trophy within the first mission or two.

Sentinel is the best on Insanity (can't believe that I'm saying that after I praised Soldier). Soldier would be great for the final boss because you can use Adrenaline Rush, but its not worth it. Sentinel is King for Insanity :D


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