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Suntory_Times 09-09-2010 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cheaitsjustin (Post 3722257)
Then don't post here. There's a ME2 Xbox 360 thread so I think that post would be best suited there until the DLC is available on PSN.

I think it's good to post it here, as chances are it will be released on the ps3.

cheaitsjustin 09-09-2010 10:00 AM

I honestly don't see the point. When it does come out, no one is going to look back through the earlier posts to read about it and if people think they should be able to talk about it then I hope they choose to not say douchey things like "he's mentioned in ME1 a few times so you PS3 guys wouldn't know." This is the PS3 section so obviously we don't know.

Maybe I just took it the wrong way, I don't know. If so, I apologize. I just don't want to start reading ME1/ME2 spoilers in this thread.

Suntory_Times 09-09-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cheaitsjustin (Post 3722548)
I honestly don't see the point. When it does come out, no one is going to look back through the earlier posts to read about it and if people think they should be able to talk about it then I hope they choose to not say douchey things like "he's mentioned in ME1 a few times so you PS3 guys wouldn't know." This is the PS3 section so obviously we don't know.

Maybe I just took it the wrong way, I don't know. If so, I apologize. I just don't want to start reading ME1/ME2 spoilers in this thread.

I'm not sure how he meant it, but even still the character is a side character and he doesn't change the main mission. Maybe he was bieng a douche or maybe he was just trying to fill in the blanks people who haven't played the first game would have. Online i've learnt to be very open as there is so much to consider with how we 'speak' with the many cultures present. :)

Mr. J 09-09-2010 12:22 PM

Lair of the Shadow Broker is indeed the best DLC that ME2 has to offer thus far. And the Shadow Broker himself is mentioned in ME1 a few times, but he is heavily mentioned in ME2. Mainly by a squad member that you had in ME1 who isn't your squad member in ME2.

I'm still very interested in seeing how their gonna implement this. There are just so many things out in the open. So many variables. Its like trying to ignore the elephant in the room.

Offender_Mullet 09-09-2010 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cheaitsjustin (Post 3722548)
I honestly don't see the point. When it does come out, no one is going to look back through the earlier posts to read about it and if people think they should be able to talk about it then I hope they choose to not say douchey things like "he's mentioned in ME1 a few times so you PS3 guys wouldn't know." This is the PS3 section so obviously we don't know.

Maybe I just took it the wrong way, I don't know. If so, I apologize. I just don't want to start reading ME1/ME2 spoilers in this thread.

Yes, you took my post the wrong way. I was light-heartidly giving you guys sh*t ;) but no worries. I think posting info is a great idea, as I don't believe any of my posts have given spoilers away. Maybe some posts are getting people excited about the game? Idk. Regardless, it's one of my fav games of all-time and I like to turn people onto things they're not familiar with.


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Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05 (Post 3721870)
They are quite a few multi-console gamers here. So, you actually get to see who he is in this DLC?

Yes you do.

cheaitsjustin 09-09-2010 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet (Post 3723186)
Yes, you took my post the wrong way. I was light-heartidly giving you guys sh*t ;) but no worries. I think posting info is a great idea, as I don't believe any of my posts have given spoilers away. Maybe some posts are getting people excited about the game? Idk. Regardless, it's one of my fav games of all-time and I like to turn people onto things they're not familiar with.

Ohhh okay. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have known better. :o

I'm currently watching a video playthrough of ME1 and I already know some things that could happen (like
[Show spoiler]which squad members can die
) and I'd prefer not to know anything else. I suppose I took what you said the wrong way because I was afraid you'd start posting spoilers of ME1 (or maybe even ME2) like others have done without using the spoiler tags. I had Heavy Rain ruined for me on launch day not even 12 hours after getting the game because of that thread so I'm a little paranoid. :p

Offender_Mullet 09-11-2010 02:13 AM

No problem. ;):)

GLaDOS 09-11-2010 02:17 AM

Come on, guys. Sure, we're not really getting Mass Effect 1, but at least we're getting one of the best games the 360 has to offer. Plus, I know BioWare is going to fix us up a way to import our decisions to the second one, and I'm very curious as well as how are they going to do that. In other words, look on the bright side: we're getting a very good game from the Xbox library, so both sides can enjoy the best of both worlds of the Mass Effect universe.

MerrickG 09-13-2010 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kotsedriver (Post 3730913)
Come on, guys. Sure, we're not really getting Mass Effect 1, but at least we're getting one of the best games the 360 has to offer. Plus, I know BioWare is going to fix us up a way to import our decisions to the second one, and I'm very curious as well as how are they going to do that. In other words, look on the bright side: we're getting a very good game from the Xbox library, so both sides can enjoy the best of both worlds of the Mass Effect universe.

I said this a while back but Ill repeat it again:

One way that could allow gamers to get the complete Mass Effect experience is to allow players of the first game on PC or 360 to upload their completed saved game from those systems to the Cerebus network that would keep track of the decisions made on ME1 then PS3 players could load those decisions into their new game.

I think its a great idea and would be VERY easy to implement.

I'm not sure MS would allow such a thing on the 360. Not to mention the fact that anyone who has and loved ME1 on the 360 likely has ME2 on the 360 already.

And yes, Im aware that its not perfect, but its way better than nothing since ME1 is not coming to the PS3 at all.

UK_fan_05 09-13-2010 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by merrick97 (Post 3737706)
I said this a while back but Ill repeat it again:

One way that could allow gamers to get the complete Mass Effect experience is to allow players of the first game on PC or 360 to upload their completed saved game from those systems to the Cerebus network that would keep track of the decisions made on ME1 then PS3 players could load those decisions into their new game.

I think its a great idea and would be VERY easy to implement.

I'm not sure MS would allow such a thing on the 360. Not to mention the fact that anyone who has and loved ME1 on the 360 likely has ME2 on the 360 already.

And yes, Im aware that its not perfect, but its way better than nothing.

That is a good idea, but it has it's flaws.

Some people don't have a 360 and probably wouldn't throw down the money just to play the first one.

Microsoft wouldn't (More than likely) allow Bioware to update ME1 and add the Cerberus Network into the game. They would know what they are planning, and wouldn't want ME1 to appear on PS3 in any way, shape, or form. They would totally freak out if Bioware suggested letting users upload their saves from the 360 version so PS3 owners could use them.

Bioware probably wouldn't put forth the time, effort, and money into creating the Cerberus Network for a 2+ year-old game just so users can upload saves.

Bioware can make it easy. Start the game up. You select New Game. After, you get two choices to choose. "Yes, I have played Mass Effect 1" or "No, I have not played Mass Effect 1".

Selecting Yes will allow you to fill out a questionnaire. It would ask you what choices you made in the first game.
[Show spoiler]Did you save the Council? Who did you have a romantic relationship with? Did you talk Wrex down? Did you save Ashley or Kaiden? Did you finish the game as a Paragon or Renegade?
After filling it out, you would get a cut scene or something recapping the first ME with your choices. You would also get a max out character like you could have at the end of ME1. The game would play like you did load your save file.

If you choose No, you would get the default options from Bioware.

Simple. Straight to the point. A lot less expensive for Bioware also.

Mr. J 09-13-2010 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05 (Post 3737757)
That is a good idea, but it has it's flaws.

Some people don't have a 360 and probably wouldn't throw down the money just to play the first one.

Microsoft wouldn't (More than likely) allow Bioware to update ME1 and add the Cerberus Network into the game. They would know what they are planning, and wouldn't want ME1 to appear on PS3 in any way, shape, or form. They would totally freak out if Bioware suggested letting users upload their saves from the 360 version so PS3 owners could use them.

Bioware probably wouldn't put forth the time, effort, and money into creating the Cerberus Network for a 2+ year-old game just so users can upload saves.

Bioware can make it easy. Start the game up. You select New Game. After, you get two choices to choose. "Yes, I have played Mass Effect 1" or "No, I have not played Mass Effect 1".

Selecting Yes will allow you to fill out a questionnaire. It would ask you what choices you made in the first game.
[Show spoiler]Did you save the Council? Who did you have a romantic relationship with? Did you talk Wrex down? Did you save Ashley or Kaiden? Did you finish the game as a Paragon or Renegade?
After filling it out, you would get a cut scene or something recapping the first ME with your choices. You would also get a max out character like you could have at the end of ME1. The game would play like you did load your save file.

If you choose No, you would get the default options from Bioware.

Simple. Straight to the point. A lot less expensive for Bioware also.

This seems more than likely like something Bioware might do. I don't see them spending a lot of time or resources trying to find a way to implement ME1 for the PS3 owners.

MerrickG 09-13-2010 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05 (Post 3737757)
That is a good idea, but it has it's flaws.

Some people don't have a 360 and probably wouldn't throw down the money just to play the first one.

Really?!!!!?? I am glad we have Captain Obvious on this board to point this out.

Why would it NEVER cross my mind that some people don't own a 360 or a PC that could or couldnt run Mass Effect 1??

There is NO perfect way to do this since ME1 is not coming to the PS3. But what it IS is a way for SOME people who are DEAD SET on being able to import a character from ME1 made on the PC or the 360 into the PS3. How many people would take advantage of it? I have no idea. Probably not many, but it works.

Let me spell it out for you:
When I said "Its not perfect" in my previous post it did account for those things that you mentioned. I promise :D

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Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05 (Post 3737757)
Microsoft wouldn't (More than likely) allow Bioware to update ME1 and add the Cerberus Network into the game. They would know what they are planning, and wouldn't want ME1 to appear on PS3 in any way, shape, or form. They would totally freak out if Bioware suggested letting users upload their saves from the 360 version so PS3 owners could use them.

That wouldn't be the only reason they could do it. You already have to sign into the Cerberus network as is and it could also be for 360 users who want to upload their decisions for a future play for ME3. Its a way to protect those who lose their hard drive. There are other reasons to do this, but that is just one.

Also, there is a PC version of a ME1 that isn't published by MS.

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Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05 (Post 3737757)
Bioware probably wouldn't put forth the time, effort, and money into creating the Cerberus Network for a 2+ year-old game just so users can upload saves.

You talk like this would be a difficult thing to implement. It wouldn't be AT ALL. They don't necessarily need to upload the actual saved game, but a text file that will keep track of the decisions a player made. That is at most kilobytes in size and wouldn't require much money time or effort or space.

Mass Effect 2 is a VERY easy game to MOD and Bioware would have the tools to easily read the file.


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Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05 (Post 3737757)
Bioware can make it easy. Start the game up. You select New Game. After, you get two choices to choose. "Yes, I have played Mass Effect 1" or "No, I have not played Mass Effect 1".

Selecting Yes will allow you to fill out a questionnaire. It would ask you what choices you made in the first game.
[Show spoiler]Did you save the Council? Who did you have a romantic relationship with? Did you talk Wrex down? Did you save Ashley or Kaiden? Did you finish the game as a Paragon or Renegade?
After filling it out, you would get a cut scene or something recapping the first ME with your choices. You would also get a max out character like you could have at the end of ME1. The game would play like you did load your save file.

If you choose No, you would get the default options from Bioware.

Simple. Straight to the point. A lot less expensive for Bioware also.

Yes, I have suggested this exact same idea and I will agree it is FAR more likely than the idea I brought forth.

UK_fan_05 09-13-2010 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by merrick97 (Post 3738054)
Really?!!!!?? I am glad we have Captain Obvious on this board to point this out.

Why would it NEVER cross my mind that some people don't own a 360 or a PC that could or couldnt run Mass Effect 1??

Let me spell it out for you:
When I said "Its not perfect" in my previous post it did account for those things that you mentioned. I promise :D

There is NO perfect way to do this since ME1 is not coming to the PS3. But what it IS is a way for SOME people who are DEAD SET on being able to import a character from ME1 made on the PC or the 360 into the PS3. How many people would take advantage of it? I have no idea, but probably not many.

Your idea is too flawed and has too many "If's"..

The idea I suggested, and you say you suggested it as well, would be far better than the import. Since some people who want to play ME2 and have never played the first or own a 360 could easily fill out the questionnaire without buying a 360 or the PC version since some people might not have a PC capable of playing the game. Even if they haven't played the game on 360, they could still fill it out so they will at least have some control over the story in their own way.

This would be the closest way to importing your character. You can choose some stats and all major plot events. Not many people would go through the process of uploading from 360 to the PS3, you even said it yourself.

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Originally Posted by merrick97 (Post 3738054)
That wouldn't be the only reason they could do it. You already have to sign into the Cerberus network as is and it could also be for 360 users who want to upload their decisions for a future play for ME3. Its a way to protect those who lose their hard drive. There are other reasons to do this, but that is just one.

Also, there is a PC version of a ME1 that isn't published by MS.

You talk like this would be a difficult thing to implement. It wouldn't be AT ALL. They don't necessarily need to upload the actual saved game, but a text file that will keep track of the decisions a player made. That is at most kilobytes in size and wouldn't require much money time or effort or space.

Mass Effect 2 is a VERY easy game to MOD and Bioware would have the tools to easily read the file.

Bioware would have to go back to ME1 and implement Cerberus Network into that game. That IS a lot of work and would not benefit their bottom line none by going back to work on a 2+ year-old game.

MerrickG 09-13-2010 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05 (Post 3738177)
Your idea is too flawed and has too many "If's"..

Umm No. The only "if" is either you played ME1 on the other system or you didnt.

I DO agree that idea of selecting ME1 choices when starting a new game is the most likely choice.

That we DO agree on.

UK_fan_05 09-13-2010 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by merrick97 (Post 3738229)
Umm No. The only "if" is either you played ME1 on the other system or you didnt.

I DO agree that idea of selecting ME1 choices when starting a new game is the most likely choice.

That we DO agree on.

If you played ME1. If you did....

If MS will allow Bioware to add the Cerberus Network to ME1.

If Bioware will even do it.

I see on the Bioware forums for ME2 the questionnaire is being suggested the most. Will that mean it will happen? No. But Bioware has the suggestions and I expect to see something similar to it.

One thing for sure is that ME2 on PS3 will be great! :rock:

cheaitsjustin 09-13-2010 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05 (Post 3737757)
Bioware can make it easy. Start the game up. You select New Game. After, you get two choices to choose. "Yes, I have played Mass Effect 1" or "No, I have not played Mass Effect 1".

Selecting Yes will allow you to fill out a questionnaire. It would ask you what choices you made in the first game.
[Show spoiler]Did you save the Council? Who did you have a romantic relationship with? Did you talk Wrex down? Did you save Ashley or Kaiden? Did you finish the game as a Paragon or Renegade?
After filling it out, you would get a cut scene or something recapping the first ME with your choices. You would also get a max out character like you could have at the end of ME1. The game would play like you did load your save file.

If you choose No, you would get the default options from Bioware.

Simple. Straight to the point. A lot less expensive for Bioware also.

IMO, the questionnaire should be for both people who did play ME1 and for those who didn't. I'd prefer to not have BioWare's default choices.

MerrickG 09-13-2010 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05 (Post 3738257)
One thing for sure is that ME2 on PS3 will be great! :rock:

This we can agree on.

Importing wont be a problem for me though. I have both of them on the 360.

I do expect that many of the ME1 decisions will still have an effect on ME3 decisions.

UK_fan_05 09-13-2010 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cheaitsjustin (Post 3738276)
IMO, the questionnaire should be for both people who did play ME1 and for those who didn't. I'd prefer to not have BioWare's default choices.

Yeah, you could still choose that if you haven't played ME1 and was interested in knowing more about the back story.

MerrickG 09-13-2010 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cheaitsjustin (Post 3738276)
IMO, the questionnaire should be for both people who did play ME1 and for those who didn't. I'd prefer to not have BioWare's default choices.

What do the default choices matter if you didnt play the first ME?!!

Now you could choose it such that the game assumes you made all the paragorn decisions and/or renegade.

Regardless, I do FULLY expect Bioware will have SOMETHING (a short video, comic strip etc.) the talk about that allows the player to be brought up to speed on the events from ME1.


EDIT: If you want the questionnaire, you can of course lie and say you did play ME1. So your original post is uhhhh kind of irrelevant. :p :D

UK_fan_05 09-13-2010 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by merrick97 (Post 3738306)
What do the default choices matter if you didnt play the first ME?!!

Now you could choose it such that the game assumes you made all the paragorn decisions and/or renegade.

Regardless, I do FULLY expect Bioware will have SOMETHING (a short video, comic strip etc.) the talk about that allows the player to be brought up to speed on the events from ME1.

A 5 minute or so cut scene with the major events of ME1 would be great. Don't know if they can use them though. Maybe redone scenes though? Maybe it could start out like the first game with a couple of voice overs talking about Shepherd and what he had accomplished in the first game.


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