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Caesu 01-12-2012 04:28 PM

I want to buy Season 1, but depends on how much it will cost obviously. If the initial release is like 100.00 per season, can I justify 100 x 7 (or 700.00) for a TNG set over a period of time?

That is a huge amount of cash for day one all together. Im thinking Battlestar here as an example. The whole series boxed can be had for less then 90.00 CDN now for the UK set.

Keeping the same example, Season one was listed at start price of 36.99 pounds or around 60.00 per season!

I love TNG, I want it right away. I just know if all 7 seasons get done, a complete boxset will always be WAY cheaper to buy in the long run.

fat_rancor_keeper 01-12-2012 04:40 PM

All this talk about STTNGR has me watching random episodes on netflix.

I can't believe how many episodes I either missed the first time around or just totally forgot.

Indiana Jones 01-12-2012 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Salvador Nogueira (Post 5670871)
But the fact that they announced the whole series would be remastered even before releasing the sampler means they're pretty happy with pre-order sales for it and are confident TNG on Blu will be a home run.

I don't see how that is possible considering they made the announcement about the Sampler and that all 7 seasons would be remastered in the same press release, at that time there was nothing to pre-order.

Sunrise 01-12-2012 05:45 PM

As much as I love the news of ST:TNG, I must say I would have preferred DS9. Blind buy for me anyways.

The defiant and all the glorious battles in HD, at least I still have something to dream about.

fat_rancor_keeper 01-12-2012 05:48 PM

Well I wouldn't worry, if they are committing to TNG Remastered I think it's a safe bet they'll also get around to DS9.

It'll just be a bit of a wait unfortunately. But if sales are strong then they can get more teams working on these massive projects. Perhaps then the whole process will move along faster and we wont all be waiting around until 2050 for complete seasons.

fat_rancor_keeper 01-12-2012 06:00 PM

But...but....


blu makes everything awesomer.

MarcelS1 01-12-2012 06:02 PM

DS9 would also be a blind buy for me, straight away. And I think Enterprise also, not in the same league as DS9 but enjoyable, season 3 & 4 were, in my opinion, great. At this point I'm into season 7 of watching Voyager on DVD and I am confident I won't buy that series. Way too many mediocre episodes. That is, for me, also the case with TNG, although there are a great number terrific episodes, there are also a lot so..so episodes.

That's also a bit the problem, if TNG does not get enough sales, they probably will not release DS9 and the other shows on Blu. So if the price [and the packaging] is right, I might buy TNG, still condsidering.

mjcavinder 01-12-2012 06:25 PM

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I just don't like it enough to own it.

We All know you are in love with....

whbinder 01-12-2012 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunrise (Post 5671767)
As much as I love the news of ST:TNG, I must say I would have preferred DS9. Blind buy for me anyways.

That wouldn't be a blind buy then would it. ;)

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Originally Posted by fat_rancor_keeper (Post 5671830)
But...but....

blu makes everything awesomer.

It sure does. But this isn't about Blu. And it's not about which show is better. It's about syndication rights. All the Blu-ray sales in the world won't recoup the cost of the TNG restoration process (although it's certainly a nice bonus for CBS) The decision to sink this amount of money into a massive project like this is to continue syndication sales for years to come to local stations. And they will sell. Seinfeld, TNG and a few other shows will stay in syndication for a long time.

Deep Space Nine may or may not be a superior show, but it does not have the market penetration in syndicated markets. There's no way Paramount would make that money back. Not in the current market anyway. Maybe in 2020, the cost for such a process will come down and the demand for DS9 will go up. Who can say? But that supply/demand model isn't there now.

segagamer12 01-12-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eastx (Post 5670557)
We've been over this. That is nutty and self-defeating because TNG is not a serialized show.

maybe for you but some people do not like to watch a show out of order even if it isn't a serial. I am one like that I hate watching episodes out of order.

whbinder 01-12-2012 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by segagamer12 (Post 5672394)
maybe for you but some people do not like to watch a show out of order even if it isn't a serial. I am one like that I hate watching episodes out of order.

Which order? Production order? Airdate order?

KaineKinetic 01-12-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eastx (Post 5670557)
We've been over this. That is nutty and self-defeating because TNG is not a serialized show.

To me it is!
I like to watch things in order. especially if i'm going to watch each and every episode!

KaineKinetic 01-12-2012 10:36 PM

Forget Production and AirDate order, i go for Story Line order.

segagamer12 01-13-2012 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by whbinder (Post 5672717)
Which order? Production order? Airdate order?

whichever is presented to me usually. It depends on certain shows yeah I like to follow production order if it makes more sense but sometimes I go with the order on the DVD.

Argonauts 01-13-2012 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fat_rancor_keeper (Post 5671782)
Well I wouldn't worry, if they are committing to TNG Remastered I think it's a safe bet they'll also get around to DS9.

It'll just be a bit of a wait unfortunately. But if sales are strong then they can get more teams working on these massive projects. Perhaps then the whole process will move along faster and we wont all be waiting around until 2050 for complete seasons.

What baffles the frack out of me is how Enterprise hasn't been released on Blu yet especially seeing how its native hd, would require the least amount of work and would bring in fresh revenue to help offset the cost of the remastering of TNG

i mean its basically running the film, applying whatever post production they choose and burning the discs - no remastering, no reconstructing, etc. they could do all the work for all the seasons and release all 4 seasons within a year easily

not only would this bring in more revenure, it would provide a nice distraction while waiting for the first TNG season

lets face it, enterprise will get a blu release eventually(along most likely with DS9 and Voyage), why wait for the arguably easiest project?

Someone at Paramount isn't using common sense and it frustrates and saddens me (though i am happy it was never released during the mpeg-2, lossy audio, overzealous post production early years (im looking at you wax figure Schwarzenegger from predator)) - (and yes i know lossy audio and overzealous post production still exists but companies have learned its no longer acceptable to be so Laissez-faire with releases and that quality has become the prime imperative)

/end rant :cool: -obviously big Star Trek fan :)

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Originally Posted by whbinder (Post 5672057)

Deep Space Nine may or may not be a superior show, but it does not have the market penetration in syndicated markets. There's no way Paramount would make that money back. Not in the current market anyway. Maybe in 2020, the cost for such a process will come down and the demand for DS9 will go up. Who can say? But that supply/demand model isn't there now.

From what i've seen in fan poles it stays basically constant off Series Popularity:
1.)TNG
2.)Original Series (stays quite close to TNG with usually only a 10-15% variance from TNG)
3.)Voyager
4.)DS9 (voyager and DS9 also tend to group pretty close and can sometimes switch positions)
5.)Enterprise

like ive said, this is just what i've generally observed from fan polls where they can only choose one series as their favorite of all series

seeing as TOS already got its hd release, TNG was the logical progression and it will most likely continue in order with DS9 remastering after TNG

of course Enterprise is most likely a wild card in the group that is likely to get its release at any time because of its ease relative to the others

but hey any Star Trek blu release is good news (though im one of the few people who was severely rubbed in the wrong way by voyager, even the EPIC hottness that is Jeri Ryan could not improve it my mind) but if/when DS9&enterprise get blu releases i would buy voyagers blu set after its gone down a good bit

for me it goes (from best to worst) TNG, DS9, enterprise, TOS, voyager, TOS animated (aka TOS scooby do edition)

neoz 01-13-2012 10:05 AM

When I first started to watch DS9 I really was not a fan. Just started watching it recently on Netflix and it's not really that bad. I'm a big TNG fan and am very happy about it coming to blu so hopefully DS9 will get the treatment down the road.

Argonauts 01-13-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by neoz (Post 5674383)
When I first started to watch DS9 I really was not a fan. Just started watching it recently on Netflix and it's not really that bad. I'm a big TNG fan and am very happy about it coming to blu so hopefully DS9 will get the treatment down the road.

See i watched (basically) back to back tos movies, tng, tng movies, ds9 and finally voyager - within the last year or so, first time ever seeing any star trek

DS9 was sold to me instantly when i found out Avery Brooks was going to be the main (captain) character because of his small yet powerful role in American History X

I was by no way a fan of the space station idea, i believe star trek is supposed to happen on a ship and on Galaxy class ships only (the classic saucer @ dual nacel shape) not those stupid intrepid class looking ships

though im still not a fan of the station, its what made Quark's side story's possible and their some of my favorite parts

some of the biggest complaints that will be said about DS9-R is the fine quality wont be great because of the sheer overpowering darkness of the station that accounts for probably 80-90% of the series

besides the obvious quality and clarity upgrades for TNG-R, one of the things that never gets mentioned that im so happy is getting fixed/removed is the mutha fracking interlacing lines that ruin even the soft oil painting that is the SD TNG

watch the latest comparison vid and look at the fx shots (were its always been most prevalent) and watch those lines disappear in the quality panning, its beautiful

fat_rancor_keeper 01-13-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mjcavinder (Post 5671936)
We All know you are in love with....

lol

whbinder 01-13-2012 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eastx (Post 5670557)
We've been over this. That is nutty and self-defeating because TNG is not a serialized show.

Quote:

Originally Posted by segagamer12 (Post 5672394)
maybe for you but some people do not like to watch a show out of order even if it isn't a serial. I am one like that I hate watching episodes out of order.

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Originally Posted by whbinder (Post 5672717)
Which order? Production order? Airdate order?

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Originally Posted by Kinetic_Blue (Post 5672881)
Forget Production and AirDate order, i go for Story Line order.

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Originally Posted by eastx (Post 5670557)
We've been over this. That is nutty and self-defeating because TNG is not a serialized show.


And here my friends, is an example of circular logic.

Salvador Nogueira 01-13-2012 08:14 PM

About Enterprise, they didn't release it yet probably not because the fan base is small, but the fan base Blu-ray enabled is still small. Although Blu-ray is increasingly becoming the next big thing, it still sells a lot less than DVDs.

So, about TOS and TNG, they are the most obvious choices for a release because:

1- They are much more popular than everything else in Trek.
2- They took a lot of money to remaster, but the remastering process is good enough that justifies not only a Blu-ray release, but a new DVD release as well. (Do you have any doubts STTNG-R will become a DVD release also?)
3- They could get the most from syndication new deals.

Enterprise is clearly the cheapest to get on Blu, but you wouldn't have a justifiable DVD re-release, and the fan base is much smaller. No new syndication deals as well. So you lose a lot of fans and the DVD market altogether, and no more money from TV deals. In essence, it will only come out when the BD market alone justifies it. Maybe in 2-3 years time, if streaming doesn't blow physical media to bits (which I think it won't, for a long time).

Did you see the HD version of the EW.com comparison clip from Farpoint? Amazing...
http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/12/upda...luray-preview/

Cheers,
Salvador


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