Damn right. If they remove the grain then it will cause loss of definition (it also has the effect of making skin look 'waxy'), so I for one won't buy any of the HD releases if they apply any DNR.

If you look closely, the BOP they´ve used for that shot is digitally added into that scene and there seems to be a shadow on the left wing and the right wing also has a very strong shadow cast over it, that´s why you cannot see the right wing in it´s entirety.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/310...xtlevel21w.jpg

EDIT: Actually, the angle on the right wing doesn´t seem to have a shadow, but is such that it is only showing a thin wing from the front, which makes it barely visible. Looks perfectly fine to me.

Stop nit-picking before you've even seen it. In my view, it's going to be a so much better than the DVDs that I can ignore things like black crush or the apparant red skin tones the reviewer mentioned, which I didn't notice at all.:confused:

Unless they detract from my actual enjoyment of the content, I'm rarely bothered by things like black crush, colour banding, etc., as more often than not the picture/sound is so much better than the DVD that I don't need to be worried.:cool:

Indeed it does but not hugely different, I think it's pretty faithful to the original shot.

I can clearly see the left wing and the right wing in the grabs, not sure why you can´t. Using an Eizo CG243W calibrated to sRGB and SMPTE-C and levels at 0-255 or 16-235. On both, the wings are clearly visible. Maybe it´s your display.

so, are we going to get 7 seasons of reused shots from Generations (and some Birds of Prey from Undiscovered Country) ? ? ? ? ?

And so it begin's ;)

Yep. That is the whole show now. They've digitally removed all of the actors and everything. Thanks for asking.

Sounds like you are a Babylon 5 fan. (Me too, btw.) :)

Now get the hell out of our galaxy!

LOL

C'mon, guys, this looks beyond awesome. The fact that they changed the Bird of Prey to make it "looks Enterprise in the eye" is fantastic. It means they are paying attention to little details. (I, for one, didn't hear anyone, EVER, complaining about that, so it means they're paying great attention and respect for the material.)

I guess it will be a ball to go over season after season looking for these little easter eggs.

I second those who say we're seeing a new whole Star Trek, feature level, show. Can't wait to have my copy.

Cheers,
Salvador

Wow, not even 24 hours to catch that... Some true Trek fans here... :cool: I only noticed because I was playing the Blu-ray and the DVD at the same time, side-by-side... :D

That whole shot is CGI (even the Enterprise), and is actually a great example of how well they can reproduce the look of the models using CGI if they absolutely have to (and I believe this is the only shot that is CGI'd on this set).

There's a teeny difference on something Farpoint too... Waiting to see if anyone comments on that... :cool:

These shots seem to be JPGs with logos attached to them... If there's a concern about what any look like, I can grab the shot from the Blu-ray and post PNGs, just to be sure. (Capturing with Total Media Theater...)

Personally, I can live with a few minor FX changes, as it appears they'll only be doing that when the original element either isn't available or can't be used for some reason. I'm sure it won't be nearly as drastic as the TOS blu-rays, where many of the shots are re-created faithfully but there's also a fair amount of reimagining going on during the more static ship sequences.

CGI (or Generations) Enterprise http://screenshotcomparison.com/comp...4362/picture:0

They've changed the stars though. So now the entire story makes no sense because technically they're in a different galaxy!

I think I'll pass. Paramount ruin everything!

I can't believe the DVD's look so bad compared to the BD. Are they really that bad? They look pretty good on my TV.

Well, I for one love the advancement of the picture quality. The stars are hardly a turnoff for me :p The only movie I've seen to date, that I disliked the remake, was Dumb and dumber. Oddly, I think I'd rather see the theatrical version, over the unrated. The unrated just felt wrong...

I had already noticed the starfields from the takes on video with Groppler Zorn in front of the viewscreen. When they make the OLD/NEW transitions, it is quite obvious the stars don't match.

Funny thing is, in the original show, starfields (especially in the opening sequence) were so recognizable they had to mimic them for the new CGI effects. Not so with TNG. It goes to show how sensibilities must be different when remastering TOS or any of the newer shows.

i love how someone can look at 1 frame, approx 1/79200 of the episode (30 frames per second, 44 minutes per episode) and determine Paramount ruined it. with that kind of insight, they should be working in Hollywood telling the studios what wrong with all the movies they are making - before they get made:D

honestly, based off of TOS-R and TMP Director's cut, how can anyone really be worried about any little changes they make? really want to make your point? don't buy the discs. you can say that you don't like it but to say they ruined it based off of one shot is nuts, especially when they have shown in the past they will respect the product and not screw around with it. i thought the Enterprise looked great - can finally see the details on it.

No, I think that's an original film element of the Enterprise. The only difference seems to be the way the windows are lit... I believe the windows were lit in a separate effects pass (like when the blue glow was added to the nacelles), and there's a couple of shots where this is different from the original versions. But if you focus on just the ship itself, you can tell it's the same model/shot. Maybe the window lights were added via 'CGI', or they used a different 'lit window mask' than was originally used...

I haven't seen screen shots of the difference I was commenting on though (at least, not yet).
Technically, these are 24 FPS... :)

okay, 1/31680 - but that number isn't as impressive.:p