I know; I was (mostly) just messing with you all. I do think that 4x3 is the best way to preserve it, though.

I wasn't aware that there was a war going on. We had been discussing issues like at which point in time widescreen US HDTV became predictable, the issue of whether to consider 4:3 TV overscan trim when remastering a TV series for Blu-ray and how overscan still affects modern HDTVs or not.

There had been interesting visual contributions (HDvision, Maxwell Everett) which have been erased. None of that was off-topic as it both concerned how to match Blu-ray resolution with an HD display and how this affects in particular the presentation of a 4:3 TV series like TNG.

I wonder if Blu-ray.com is rather the place to discuss story content of TNG episodes than these aforementioned topics.

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot: Ignorance is Bliss :cool:

(paraphrasing as Beverly)

"Just read the posts, don't bother to reply...I'm sure there will be posts about aspect ratio."

:D

I don't think it has yet; flat screens have only been around the last few years, and major companies didn't start airing HD content on a regular basis until after the digital TV changeover.

I've heard this term batted around a few times, but I still don't understand it. Is this similar to upscaling, or resampling?

Generally speaking, there's not a lot of restrictions to variations within a topic; the mods just don't like a lot of derailing, or insults being thrown around (not saying you are).

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The problem with me is, theres what 140 episodes of TNG? And to me only about 20 are worth watching. So I dont really know if I want to get the whole set or not. :confused:

The show had a total of 178 episodes, and there's a lot more than 20 worth watching. Here's just a few...

Encounter at Farpoint
Where No One Has Gone Before
Datalore
Home Soil
Skin of Evil
The Child
Elementary, Dear Data
The Schizoid Man
A Matter of Honor
The Measure of a Man
Q Who
The Emissary
The Enemy
Deja Q
A Matter of Perspective
Yesterday's Enterprise
The Offspring
Sins of the Father
Sarek
The Best of Both Worlds
Brothers
Remember Me
Reunion
Clues
Identity Crisis
The Nth Degree
The Drumhead
Redemption

That's almost 30 of my personal faves right there, just in the first four seasons.

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Out of those I can only count 7 that I like. But none the less I will probably buy the set.

:lolcry:

I'm of the complete reciprocal mindset as you. Of the 178 episodes that they made, I'd say there are only about 20 which ARE NOT worth watching... if even that!

I see ghosts

I plan on going. Thanks for reminding me, tickets went on sale Friday. I'm also looking to acquire that event poster if anyone has any info on it.

I'd say, if you like that few of the episodes......don't bother........you're not even close to being a fan of the show and purchasing these Blu-rays would be a complete waste of money.

Several threads have a chronic hysteresis.

starting maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago, I would enter the thread, see the first new post was about OAR and just close the tab.
It got frustrating seeing if there was any new news and nothing but a huge argument...:angry:

The first HDTVs were 16:9 tube TV sets and the first (Japanese) were shown with HDTV content in 1989. But already back in 1987 the approach to US HDTV in general and the probable aspect ratio of such HDTVs (15:9) was discussed.

Overscan is neither one of those. Here is a link that illustrates the issue: http://scanline.ca/overscan/

For a television series made at a time when everybody was using 4:3 tube TV sets, consideration was given that not everything you transmitted could actually be seen by the audience. While the overscan trim of a bad TV set would crop off picture content until the "safe title area" the general consensus was that most audiences would be able to watch and experience everything within the "safe action area".

Thus the question was whether OAR should be what's inside the actual "TV transmitted area" or what had been left of that after the overscan trim of your TV set back home (which would be "safe action area"). Maybe Mr. Everett could be so nice and post again his latest illustration from that TNG camera negative where he added all these frame lines for orientation. :rolleyes:

Inevitably, you are facing two options how to preserve TNG on Blu-ray and in 4:3. Since TNG director Robert Legato confirmed in an interview many years ago that the TNG directors were well aware of the overscan issue I feel that the "safe action area" is what the directors intended us to actually see.

The other problem is that many HDTVs still do overscan, while good HDTVs give you the option of 1:1 pixel mapping, here's another link: http://hd.engadget.com/2010/05/27/hd...all-tvs-do-it/

Now, if you want to get the best resolution quality from your TNG Blu-ray disc you have to go for 1:1 pixel mapping - and you will get the "TV Transmitted area" with all the extra edges the directors did not want you to see (including carpet pieces at the bottom or overhead microphone booms).

If you can't or don't know how to switch off the overscan of your HDTV, it will crop the top and bottom overscan areas of your TNG Blu-ray image. Good news is that those overscan areas the directors didn't want you to see are gone, you have a wider 4:3 picture (in most cases will have an aspect ratio of approx. 1.50:1) but at the cost of optimal picture resolution.

I presume that in making the decision which 4:3 format to preserve on Blu-ray CBS / Paramount found themselves between a rock and a hard place.
While I can understand their decision (the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few), those of us who made an educated choice in our HDTV purchases on behalf of one without overscan / 1:1 pixel mapping and best resolution quality will have to watch TNG with all overscan areas intact.

Bonus features?
 

Quite right, maybe someone can tell us if those beautiful ILM widescreen shots like this - http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images/tnghd-ent1.jpg - will at least be part of the bonus features of the first season Blu-ray set.

And you could probably count all such instances on one or two hands over the course of the entire 1,184 minute running time of Season One.

Let's keep some perspective here. It's not like every shot is plagued with errant production equipment. 99.99% of the time, you just see more of the characters and more of the set -- this is not necessarily a bad thing (whether they intended it or not). On the extreme edges of the DVDs you can see the horizontal blanking areas left and right and sometimes even the vertical interval timecode. On Blu-ray, it's just a beautiful new transfer all the way out to the edges of the frame.

I do concur with your common sense approach. But the moment we apply the same common sense approach by talking about seeing more by unmasking additional areas left and right on the camera negative for widescreen it automatically becomes a bad thing? (The official arguments against TNG in widescreen are in essence the same that could be applied against the upcoming 4:3 version). I'm just extremely allergic to hypocrisy.

As you've done in your visualizations and with the overscan issue in mind there are other / better reasons that are obstacles in the way of a good TNG widescreen presentation.

But in all the internet discussions revolving around the viewing format I've seen not one 4:3 fundamentalist mentioning those reasons. All they were capable of was insult and name calling anybody who was wondering about the possibility of a TNG widescreen presentation, especially after CBS / Paramount had revealed widescreen VFX footage (see my previous post) and a 16:9 menu on the Next Level BD.

Well, you're likely to see more and more unintended production equipment the further out you go on the negative. It's one thing to widen out 10% on all four sides from Safe Action to TV Transmitted... it's quite another to continue to widen out to Academy or Full Camera Aperture. You're just asking for it.

I don't see that as hypocrisy. I see it as prudence.

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Now, I'm quite sure no one else besides us cares about this. I'd be happy to continue this discussion via PM. :)

Don't know if it was mentioned here yet, but would love to see this rumor pan out.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/06/25/writ...sure-of-a-man/

20 additional minutes of "Measure of a Man" to be included on Blu-Ray release.

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