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KaineKinetic 12-09-2011 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kemcha (Post 5552409)
I hope that they don't release this as a coimplete collection set. If experience is any guide, these Blu-ray multi-season complete series sets are going to be prohibitively priced that nobody could afford them. And, Paramount is very notorious for overpricing their Star Trek TV series releases.

Take a look at Law and Order, that set, the SRP is $699. Even when discounted, you're talking about a $500 bill. I suspect that the Star Trek TNG release is going to be priced similarly, if not more. Paramount needs to release this series in separate season sets at an affordable price. Otherwise, it's only going to be the wealthy who will be purchasing this collection.

They are going to be sold as seasons.
At first at least.
What im hoping against are retailer specific extra features (be it extra disks or packaging) like they do with a lot of other stuff...

Dotpattern 12-09-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kemcha (Post 5552409)
I hope that they don't release this as a coimplete collection set. If experience is any guide, these Blu-ray multi-season complete series sets are going to be prohibitively priced that nobody could afford them. And, Paramount is very notorious for overpricing their Star Trek TV series releases.

Take a look at Law and Order, that set, the SRP is $699. Even when discounted, you're talking about a $500 bill. I suspect that the Star Trek TNG release is going to be priced similarly, if not more. Paramount needs to release this series in separate season sets at an affordable price. Otherwise, it's only going to be the wealthy who will be purchasing this collection.

Wasn't Law and Order something like 20 seasons? $500 isn't much for 20 seasons. Star Trek is only 7 seasons.

And aren't you the same guy that argued relentlessly over on the Superman Anthology thread that it was going to cost over $200 and then it was released for under $80?

Collecting movies can be expensive - no one denies that. But if you really can't afford them, don't buy them. No one's forcing you.

Indiana Jones 12-09-2011 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kemcha (Post 5552409)
I hope that they don't release this as a coimplete collection set. If experience is any guide, these Blu-ray multi-season complete series sets are going to be prohibitively priced that nobody could afford them. And, Paramount is very notorious for overpricing their Star Trek TV series releases.

Take a look at Law and Order, that set, the SRP is $699. Even when discounted, you're talking about a $500 bill. I suspect that the Star Trek TNG release is going to be priced similarly, if not more. Paramount needs to release this series in separate season sets at an affordable price. Otherwise, it's only going to be the wealthy who will be purchasing this collection.

They won't do that as it will be years before all 7 seasons are ready and they would miss out on making money off those that want them ASAP.

I am sure once all 7 seasons are available a Complete Set will be made available but by then I will already have 1-7 on my shelf lol

omegaman7 12-09-2011 05:03 PM

A complete boxset better be VERY special, if they hope to make a profit. Especially if the series is being sold one season at a time. Shoot, I could make spanning imagery for the spines if I wanted to :p But it better not stop there. Commentaries, gag reels, deleted scenes, the boxset better be chalk full of TNG goodness LOL!

Trekkie313 12-09-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana Jones (Post 5552289)
Nothing except which episodes will be included and that they will be 1080p/24hz with 7.1 DTS-HD

I seriously doubt they will have any extra features but for the price that is fine with me.

I'm sure nearly all of the special features from the old DVD sets will be ported over along with a few new retrospectives and possibly a behind the scenes on the restoration.

kemcha 12-09-2011 05:28 PM

If I recall correctly, the Star Trek DVD seasons were priced at around $150 per season for the DVDs. It took a very long time for Paramount to drop the prices down on those season sets and they only did that when CBS acquired Paramounts home video library.

All I'm saying is that Paramount has always considered the Star Trek home video releases as prime retail estate where home video was concerned. Fox Home Entertainment wasn;t any better. They felt the same way toward their X-Files television series, where those sets were also $150 per season.

FlipperWasIrish 12-09-2011 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kemcha (Post 5553139)
If I recall correctly, the Star Trek DVD seasons were priced at around $150 per season for the DVDs. It took a very long time for Paramount to drop the prices down on those season sets and they only did that when CBS acquired Paramounts home video library.

All I'm saying is that Paramount has always considered the Star Trek home video releases as prime retail estate where home video was concerned. Fox Home Entertainment wasn;t any better. They felt the same way toward their X-Files television series, where those sets were also $150 per season.

So you spend a buck fifty for them if you want. I can't remember what I paid for my Star Treks on Blu. But whatever it was it was worth it to me.

Usually if I want some Blu-ray and I have the money I buy it. Once in a while I may be broke and have to wait until I aquire the funds to get it.

Basically I don't get hung up on price, especially for Star Treks.

whbinder 12-09-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kemcha (Post 5553139)
If I recall correctly, the Star Trek DVD seasons were priced at around $150 per season for the DVDs

the MSRPS were 134.99 - 139.99. The actual price at most retailers was around $89.99

As to features, Rod Roddenberry recently got a hold of hundreds of hours of behind the scenes materials. Most of it wasn't in the form of large documentaries, but mostly in little two minute interviews with cast and crew for various entertainment programs, little recordings to introduce events, etc. Some of it was from the original series, but the bulk was from the 80's and 90's. I know there's been interest in making this available somehow.

I wonder if he'd be willing to work with Paramount to include some of this.

Indiana Jones 12-09-2011 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trekkie313 (Post 5553080)
I'm sure nearly all of the special features from the old DVD sets will be ported over along with a few new retrospectives and possibly a behind the scenes on the restoration.

I was referring to the sampler, not the eventual season sets.

Trekkie313 12-09-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Indiana Jones (Post 5553560)
I was referring to the sampler, not the eventual season sets.

Oops, sorry. :o

KaineKinetic 12-09-2011 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kemcha (Post 5553139)
If I recall correctly, the Star Trek DVD seasons were priced at around $150 per season for the DVDs. It took a very long time for Paramount to drop the prices down on those season sets and they only did that when CBS acquired Paramounts home video library.

All I'm saying is that Paramount has always considered the Star Trek home video releases as prime retail estate where home video was concerned. Fox Home Entertainment wasn;t any better. They felt the same way toward their X-Files television series, where those sets were also $150 per season.

$199.99 was what i saw them for here in NY...

P@t_Mtl 12-09-2011 09:16 PM

I paied $185 CAN on March 26 2002 for the first season

blonde_devil 12-09-2011 09:58 PM

yeah, the prices for some season sets is unreal but star trek is always high for some reason. even now, the sets are a lot higher than they should be. the "law and order" 20 season set can be bought for $500 here in Canada so there is no way any other show should be more than $250 on dvd - what else comes close in terms of years on tv? but $50-100 a season? that's insane considering most shows don't put a whole lot of extras either. plus downloading them isn't cheap either - usually a couple bucks a show(or more) so a good $40-50. it's nuts.

hopefully they will include some commentaries this time. how hard is it to get someone to sit down for an hour and say "i liked making this episode"?

kemcha 12-09-2011 10:46 PM

That sounds about right, for the Star Trek season sets ... it was ridiculous. Those sets should be affordable now at around $30 per each set. But they're still priced at around $50-60 per set. I expect that the Blu-ray releases for ST:TNG will be priced similarly because while CBS is releasing them, Paramount will still dictate the retail prices of the sets.

Law and Order is just too massive of a series to release as a complete series set. Paramoount should make Law and Order available as separate season Blu-ray sets, at a more affordable price.

whbinder 12-09-2011 11:08 PM

Ever so slightly off topic. But as a collector of the work of William Shatner, it's been frustrating that The Six Million Dollar Man and The Man from U.N.C.L.E both had great Shatner episodes, but were only available as complete series. I can't afford $300 for a single episode. :)

Finally Six Million Dollar Man is coming out in seasons.

BouCoupDinkyDau 12-10-2011 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl (Post 5553919)
I paied $185 CAN on March 26 2002 for the first season

Ouch. :quizzical:

kemcha 12-10-2011 12:40 AM

Maybe, but only the first season of Six Million Dollar Man has been released. No others have been announced.

P@t_Mtl 12-10-2011 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau (Post 5554455)
Ouch. :quizzical:

Yep! Those were my wilder, younger, more stupid days :D

Looking back now, no way I would ever pay that much for one TV season. You can get full series for half that.

ROclockCK 12-10-2011 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HDMe (Post 5273524)
Someone brought up a good point that I think was mostly ignored.

What about the theatrical movies that were filmed and then masked to get the widescreen ratio? Those could actually be opened up to 4:3 and show more "missing" info than was shown in theaters.

But I don't hear anyone saying for those movies that they want to "open it up" and "see the missing info"... rather, they want those to stay widescreen.

Ohhh, I dunno 'bout that HDMe. There are some Kubrick threads - especially for The Shining - where this debate became rather heated. After the director saw 2001 panned and scanned for TV, he began protecting his frames for both full screen (TV/VHS) and widescreen (1.85:1 Theatrical) presentation. So a debate continues whether an open matte full frame transfer is equally valid for some of those films.

Apropos this discussion of Star Trek: The Next Generation though, I support the reconstruction and refurbishing of the show for high-def transfer, but otherwise, they should just leave it alone. I mean, if the producers had 1.78:1 HD video cameras available in '87, I'm sure they would have have shot the show that way, optimizing their compositions for the extra width. But they didn't, so they did the best they could with what was available at the time, which was full frame spherical 35mm film.

ROclockCK 12-10-2011 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl (Post 5480891)
In theory it is a replication of sort. I am no scientist but the way I understand it, in order to move your molecules, photons, protons and what not from one place to another, it,s a copy being made of them and in order for the copy to work the original as to be, shall we say dispose off :D

A bit scary!

I always thought it worked more like a 'Cut and Paste' P@t_Mtl...which is why it better work the first time... ;)


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