Im just messin with youz twoz. Its no big deal. Like BluBonnet mentioned earlier that she was glad they got an award winning actor/actress to play the villain, an oscar winner...thats cool she feels that way, but in my opinion its not necessary given the types of films these are. The actors she mentioned earlier, that played the villains in the old filims, were far more interesting (and IMO better played) than a "mind reading", rapier swinging, chick with a bad accent and a alien fetish played by an oscar winning actress.

Some like the character, some don't. It's obvious which category I fall into. :D

Do me a favor.

Go board an airplane with no parachutes. Take a woman and a child with you. Jump out of the airplane with nothing but a raft.

If all three of you not only survive but manage to successfully navigate your way down a mountain on said raft I will devote the rest of my life to being your butler.

I guess it would depend on how far from ground zero the fridge was. I have not watched the movie in awhile, did the movie provide any distance reference?
Not that I'm defending this scene, as I do agree with your earlier post: The biggest culprit was just bad writing.
In any event, I still like the film and the franchise!

:rolleyes:

It's been said that people in life who "don't get it", don't get the fact that they don't get it.

This is a prime example.

There's no laws of gravity or physics that says it WOULDN'T work, though. So yeah, it's possible, and yo have no proof that it isn't. People have survived a lot more dramatic situations. But no one is going to the jungle and magically start swinging through vines like a monkey.

And like I said before, since you forgot already, is that ONE event like that per film is typically admissible. But 3 or 4 isn't. Sorry.

I don't want you as a butler.

Surviving your heart being ripped from your chest

A mine cart jumping the tracks and landing perfectly-aligned on another set of rails.

Ingesting a poison with no ill effects because an antidote was quickly administered, leading to instant recovery.

That's just off the top of my head.

Pretty damn far if I remember correctly. I agree and its my personal opinion that it was just bad writing. It's like they threw 5 or 6 over the top ideas into a hat and it just so happens THAT was picked. It felt like a weak attempt at showing some big and crazy.

I can believe all that. Is that all you got?

It's no more unbelievable than Indy somehow surviving on top of a submarine, or being dragged behind a truck with no road rash, or the fact that God saves everyone and hates Nazis. Please.

Classic.

For me the 'still beating heart' was the real deal-breaker (though the raft wasn't too terribly far behind). It's one thing to strain the laws of physics or probability to - or even somewhat past - the breaking point. To completely shatter those laws can be another matter entirely.

And before anybody asks if that means I hate movies where mystical energy fields control us but also obey our commands or kids can see dead people - no, it doesn't. Provided those films at least somewhat internally consistent I'm more than willing to go on fantastic trips to other places.

My gripe with ToD isn't simply that it plunked itself firmly and unambiguously in a world different from our own. My gripe was that it kind of changed the rules along the way.

I can buy it because it was a ritualistic thing, a la voodoo. I mean, a magic ark, magic stones, magic cup... it's always been about the supernatural in a way... until the inter-dimensional beings. And Indy survived some unbelievable stuff in Raiders (the sub, for one)... not to mention the biggest leap of faith of all: the fact that God exists. I mean, if you can buy that, yo can buy pretty much anything (except the fridge and monkeys in KOTSC).

Does steven spielberg and george lucas have you at knife point. Making you say that. If they do quickly call 911

I'm too much of a fan of the series, so I should probably sit on the fence(or at least try to) a little more. Skull was not the strongest film, for sure...but it would take away from my excitement for this set.
As I stated earlier, I'm more concerned with technical aspects of the discs more than the movies. Afterall I can't imagine what a good transfer would be like if it turns out bad. Well I suppose I could, but hopefully we won't have to worry about that! ;)

Omg so funny lololololololol

I'm wondering if the films will have DTS-HD MA 6.1 or 7.1. After all, Star Wars had 6.1 so maybe that's the way to go with this films as well. However, Crystal Skull has 5.1 in its current release so I'm wondering if Paramount will repackage the same release or remix the audio so it can match the rest of the set.

On the other hand, all the films might have 5.1 audio. :p

Exactly! You have to separate the unbelievable parts that are related to some supernatural influence from the unbelievable parts that are just physically unbelievable as they are portrayed as not being under the influence of the supernatural element. While some of the physical action is a bit over the top in the original three, practical effects and stepping over the line by an inch and not a mile made them a lot more acceptable.

The heart thing . . . believable as it is due to the influence of the supernatural.

Powers of the Ark/Grail . . . in a world where such a thing exists, who's to say what influence they have over our world? If they explode heads, give ever-lasting life, heal wounds . . . ok, I can buy that.

Separate these from a head-on car crash which totally destroys the entire front of a vehicle, yet Mac steps out unscathed seconds later more concerned about covering his ears due to surrounding gunfire. The vine swinging, which is an incredibly lame idea in the first place, is made even more absurd by the fact that he somehow manages to traverse probably at least a quarter mile of jungle with such proficiency as to not only arrive at the road at the exact same time as the cars traveling some 50+mph, but he's able to swing kick an enemy posted behind the wheel and knock him out of commision. It just looked stupid and just doesn't fit with the real, gritty physical action and stunt work of the preceding films.

The raft . . . yes, it's unbelievable, BUT, you do have people who jump out of helicopters onto ski slopes while wearing windsuits, so . . . it's done to an extreme, but that's where you just have to say it's a movie. It doesn't look incredibly fake, either, which helps tremendously. Generally though, the physical action in Indy films have been fairly believable. I think a lot more of it could have been acceptable in Skull had they just gone a little lower in scale and used practical effects, as Spielberg originally said they were going to. For instance, if they drove over a cliff and into the water, I probably would've bought that a lot more had they not landed on a CGI tree which gently lowered them into the water. That scene's horrendousness is just sealed by Karen Allen's ditzy "Yes dear" line.

I'm not really a Skull hater. I can watch it and enjoy it for the scenes that are good (I love the Area 51 chase scene, the motorcycle chase is fun, parts of the jungle chase are pretty cool, even though Indy takes a back seat), but at the same time it's still a tremendous let down.

Good question. I won't be at all disappointed if it is 5.1 but I definitely see 7.1 as a possibility considering that it is Spielberg and Lucas and that Paramount has a few 7.1 titles.

And in addition, a high voodoo-cult priest (as written) could have the skills to make a heart keep beating... whereas a Marlon Brando wannabe biker kid would have no skills to be able to swing through the jungle like Tarzan. If the setup is done correctly, then virtually ANYTHING can be believable.

Overnight this thread has become more amusing than any of the four films :laugh:

Sure, I get that but I always felt the supernatural element of Raiders was much more ambiguous and to me that was a large part of the fun. Raiders took place in our world (or at least a world very much like ours). The power of the ark could have been the wrath of God, it could have had some other supernatural explanation or it could even have been some sort of primitive reactor or capacitor but it wasn't necessarily any of those things.

The sequels moved away from that ambiguity and imo sacrified a lot of the wonder and mystery that made Raiders so much fun. And yeah, I include the magic cup in that. I'm not a big deus ex machina fan to begin with but a literal deus ex machina??? Eh, I dunno.