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I doubt that Twilight Time has a contract with the studio. The studio is in the business to make money. The more copies of a Blu-ray movie that are sold, the better their return. While I'm not discounting the "contract" issue, I know that it's a weak argument because the studio wants to make more money from these Blu-ray releases, not stifle their own profits for their own movies.
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That's why it came out so early on DVD (~2000) and with so many supplements for a catalog title (2 commentaries, documentary, etc.) I want to say it was a DigitalBits.com interview and the person basically said "Krull? Really?? Krull?!?" and the response was something like "Ha - yeah, one of the VPs here loves it -- their favorite film. So we did something extra special with that one for the DVD." Vague memory, but I think I'm close to the mark. Given that we haven't seen a BD of it yet, maybe that person has moved on. :) But, I agree -- I'd buy it in a heartbeat. |
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Considering in the case of Sony that these HD masters were already completed before Twilight came along. I'm willing to bet Sony is going through their catalog and creating masters for sale to streaming, cable and other services. Sony has been having some rough times lately so maybe they do not have the capital to warrant releasing a ton of catalog titles on Blu. This contract with Twilight probably is reimbursing the money spent to create the HD masters to begin with including a small profit. Win win for Sony.
But for the company that has co invented and pushed Bluray from the start their support for the format here I find disheartening. I agree with a earlier poster. Its not so much the price, even though for barebones its hefty, its the limited edition thing. Which means if you don't keep up weekly with every company releasing limited editions you may miss out on your favorite movie. Granted there is only Twilight right now, but if this catches on there may be more down the pipe. |
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With a few of Paramounts OOP DVDs finding their way onto Criterion, I'm still holding out hope for this one getting special treatment. Maybe that's unrealistic, but I'm still hoping. :) |
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Just a little head's up - just got an advance peek at the upcoming Bite the Bullet - it looks and sounds spectacular.
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"So they [Fox, Sony] agreed that if the title sold out very early it would lie dormant for three years." http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/31...model-and-more |
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I wonder if our board captain could be persuaded to pin those links to the OP? For anyone new to TT and this thread those interviews could save a lot of needless head scratchin' over what this label is up to... * whitesheik excepted...no shyness or wishy-washiness there! ;) |
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The interview explains things very clearly, thanks for the link.
Interesting to see that the studios are likely going to use TTs releases as a test to gauge demand for these movies on blu. That, along with the strict 3000 unit limit, the lack of any discounts, and at least 3 years before the title can be released again on blu, certainly adds impetus to grabbing favorite titles as soon as possible. I also agree with TTs point that the studios messed up and devalued blurays too quickly. You can see evidence on this forum of that. Pretty much every release now you'll have a large number of people saying they'll wait for a title to drop to something like $8 or $5 before buying. The end result is we may never get certain titles on blu simply because it's not worth it for the studios at those sort of prices. All in all, it really does make one appreciate what TT is doing, and hopefully collectors of classic films will get behind their efforts. |
I've never seen this discussion of the pro's and cons of Twilight's tactics as people simply ranting. I see this business model as a potential game changer for the format in general. While I can only speak for myself if it gets to the point this is the norm for releases I'm very likely to give up collecting Blurays and just stream.
The fact is studios are already having to pay to larger cost of creating digital HD masters of their content for TV, streaming services. Stamping a Bluray isn't that much more expensive then DVD's were and mass production and low wages due to free trade lowers those costs to a few dollars at most. About the same price as DVD's cost when that format first started. Right now though the target audience is split between two formats DVD/Blu and streaming. So making a ton of profit off a cheap blu release is difficult if there is not a large audience. I see no reason a typical Bluray shouldn't be sold at around 14.99-20.00. I agree however that they have devalued Blurays so much in a effort to get people to switch that now people expect it and wait for it. Unfortunately DVD's are not going to go away as fast as VHS because a lot of people don't see that huge leap in technology as they did between those formats. Everyone has their own opinions. Personally I've never seen what Twilight is doing as that great a thing: To get over priced barebones releases on the assumption the movies would have never got a more mainstream release with more features at a lower price. You could make that argument on a few of the titles, but for Fright Night and probably As Good as it Gets I'd argue otherwise. |
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So for serious collectors, what TT is doing is really a great thing, and personally I don't consider their movies to be "overpriced", given that rare catalog titles are now becoming a niche item, just like laserdiscs were back in the day, when the average viewer was happy to just watch stuff on VHS. Streaming is the new VHS - likely to be accepted by the masses because of the convenience, and because they don't care too much about PQ and great audio. |
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