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wilky61 03-04-2011 02:58 PM

I think with Blu-Rays, the idea is that you probably won't ever be replacing your physical media. So even if you don't watch them all now but you just collect them, you're going to have the next 15 years to watch them...

Beta, what's your experience with Blu-Ray players? You've had multiple die? Which brands? You play the hell outta 'em?

repete66211 03-04-2011 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta Man (Post 4455385)
Now that another BD player died on me last night, I will be streaming less-and-less, and hopefully catching up on more of my "unwatched" list, but we'll see.

Ah, the perfect excuse to buy an Oppo. I envy you.

italy12 03-04-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonmassacre1 (Post 4454936)
I suspect it’s because people are more apt to help those in need. The other individuals are trying to make purchasing decisions with the aid of user advice. You, on the other hand, are going to purchase the film regardless and then let us know repeatedly that you haven’t watched it. I don’t care if you want to buy 12 copies of every title and use the covers to make a collage of your cat. What I don’t understand is why you have to continually post how you own all the titles but have little interest in viewing them. That's my take on it since you asked for a response.

What confuses me is why we have an argument on this thread that doesn't involve SpiderBaby or CC...weird.

italy12 03-04-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ccfixx (Post 4455055)
This is a very good assessment of JediFonger and others that pop in and out from time to time, I believe. Kudos.

CC

Whoops, spoke too soon. :D

Beta Man 03-04-2011 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by wilky61 (Post 4455391)
Beta, what's your experience with Blu-Ray players? You've had multiple die? Which brands? You play the hell outta 'em?

I don't want to crap on any particular brand, but specifically one player has been the bane of my existence....
[Show spoiler] I bought a PS3 not terribly long after launch (40 GB) and then I added a second one... both died when under warranty, both were replaced under warranty, and then one died again outside of warranty, then last night the other one died, also well outside of the warranty period. Part of it that irks me, is the fact that the second one to die, probably had 30 hours IF THAT of play-time on it prior to it dying during the warranty period.... I never even played a single video game on it, then I got it back, and admit that I used it much more than I had the original one, but still no games etc... so not even close to what the "average" amount of use a PS3 probably gets, but the unit I got back just looked really "Beat up" you could tell it was cleaned up and possibly a new cover was put on it etc.... but the finish was worn away at one point, so whoever's PS3 they sent me after I sent mine (with 30 hours of use) in for repair, had a LOT of use probably.... but that's just another side-rant really to a much bigger problem.

As I said, I don't have anything against Sony... the old 36" WEGA I gave to a buddy will just not die! It's been used/abused/moved multiple times, etc... and it still has a beautiful picture (but weighs a TON) After the first PS3 died outside of warranty, I got a stand-alone sony 360 (I think that's what it was) from Costco, and then it died with very limited use... it just stopped reading discs..... and then I got a Sony BX-57 from Costco (which I still have, and love) because they gave me credit, and this one does Netflix, Pandora, and is WIFI.... Right now I'm looking at either another BX-57 or trying out a Samsung C6500 because it's only $155 from Amazon, and it does WIFI, Pandora, and Netflix too.... those are pretty much my three requirements for a player. I don't need another PS3 because I don't own any games. The Sony 360 was actually in the attic that leaked when we had roof issues, but was 12' or so away from any water, but humidity "may" have been a cause, but I just know that it stopped working the next time I tried to use it after setting up a new HT in our addition, and that was about 2+ months after the water leaked..... I had been using the remaining PS3 that worked in the living room during the time it took to prep the new HT etc... It really wasn't humid etc... so I really don't think the water damage to our roof was related to the player dying, but just giving full-disclosure here :D

So, summary.... I've had 2 PS3s that both died 2 times for a total of 4 failures, plus I had a Sony 360 die..... I would never get another PS3, but like I said, the Sony BX-57 is still probably on top of my list, so I am not some crazy "Sony-hater" I actually think Sony makes great products (not a fan of their AVRs, Speakers etc... but think they make great T.V.s, and Projectors and pretty much every other "small" appliance with their name on it.... I'm not ready to say their BD players aren't good yet, I do know that the PS3 just isn't for me though.


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Originally Posted by repete66211 (Post 4455413)
Ah, the perfect excuse to buy an Oppo. I envy you.

After a couple of expensive ones have died, my wife sees these things as "disposable" in the sense that you use them for awhile, and just have to replace them anyways, so she'd never let me spend 300+ again.

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Which is sad, because I ALMOST had her talked into an OPPO-83 for our last player, but ended up with a different player that did everything we needed it to, because she saw it at Costco with a coupon..... (she doesn't actually want me to have a Region-Free player because she knows what that will mean in terms of my monthly movie purchases!!!!)

rkish 03-04-2011 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby (Post 4454535)
mad dog morgan!

ALSO STREAMABLE ON NETFLIX...rkish was heard screaming from the treetops!!! ;) :D

wilky61 03-04-2011 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta Man (Post 4455633)
I don't want to crap on any particular brand, but specifically one player has been the bane of my existence....
[Show spoiler] I bought a PS3 not terribly long after launch (40 GB) and then I added a second one... both died when under warranty, both were replaced under warranty, and then one died again outside of warranty, then last night the other one died, also well outside of the warranty period. Part of it that irks me, is the fact that the second one to die, probably had 30 hours IF THAT of play-time on it prior to it dying during the warranty period.... I never even played a single video game on it, then I got it back, and admit that I used it much more than I had the original one, but still no games etc... so not even close to what the "average" amount of use a PS3 probably gets, but the unit I got back just looked really "Beat up" you could tell it was cleaned up and possibly a new cover was put on it etc.... but the finish was worn away at one point, so whoever's PS3 they sent me after I sent mine (with 30 hours of use) in for repair, had a LOT of use probably.... but that's just another side-rant really to a much bigger problem.

As I said, I don't have anything against Sony... the old 36" WEGA I gave to a buddy will just not die! It's been used/abused/moved multiple times, etc... and it still has a beautiful picture (but weighs a TON) After the first PS3 died outside of warranty, I got a stand-alone sony 360 (I think that's what it was) from Costco, and then it died with very limited use... it just stopped reading discs..... and then I got a Sony BX-57 from Costco (which I still have, and love) because they gave me credit, and this one does Netflix, Pandora, and is WIFI.... Right now I'm looking at either another BX-57 or trying out a Samsung C6500 because it's only $155 from Amazon, and it does WIFI, Pandora, and Netflix too.... those are pretty much my three requirements for a player. I don't need another PS3 because I don't own any games. The Sony 360 was actually in the attic that leaked when we had roof issues, but was 12' or so away from any water, but humidity "may" have been a cause, but I just know that it stopped working the next time I tried to use it after setting up a new HT in our addition, and that was about 2+ months after the water leaked..... I had been using the remaining PS3 that worked in the living room during the time it took to prep the new HT etc... It really wasn't humid etc... so I really don't think the water damage to our roof was related to the player dying, but just giving full-disclosure here :D

So, summary.... I've had 2 PS3s that both died 2 times for a total of 4 failures, plus I had a Sony 360 die..... I would never get another PS3, but like I said, the Sony BX-57 is still probably on top of my list, so I am not some crazy "Sony-hater" I actually think Sony makes great products (not a fan of their AVRs, Speakers etc... but think they make great T.V.s, and Projectors and pretty much every other "small" appliance with their name on it.... I'm not ready to say their BD players aren't good yet, I do know that the PS3 just isn't for me though.




After a couple of expensive ones have died, my wife sees these things as "disposable" in the sense that you use them for awhile, and just have to replace them anyways, so she'd never let me spend 300+ again.

EDIT:

Which is sad, because I ALMOST had her talked into an OPPO-83 for our last player, but ended up with a different player that did everything we needed it to, because she saw it at Costco with a coupon..... (she doesn't actually want me to have a Region-Free player because she knows what that will mean in terms of my monthly movie purchases!!!!)

Damn, Beta. I'm sorry for your frustration. I've always distrusted Sony myself; they made terrible MP3 players back in the day, and I don't think I've bought a Sony product since. Why haven't you tried a Panny? Most folks I know seem to have one (myself included), and I've never heard any complaints. Good price/features/brand.

buffetfroid 03-04-2011 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyoko (Post 4454942)
Personally I find John Wayne and early Westerns in general pretty boring. I can't recall any Westerns I really like that were made before Sergio Leone started stirring things up.

Holy shit. I can take or leave John Wayne but there are a ton of great westerns made before Leone came around.

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Originally Posted by Pyoko (Post 4454942)
And I don't feel Last Year at Marienbad is pretentious at all. To me it's a well-crafted, captivating stream-of-consciousness experience that can mean whatever the heck you want it to.

I like plenty of Euro art cinema but I had the opposite reaction. Rather boring, characters I did not care for at all. And really, how can something that is a "stream-of-consciousness experience" not be at least a little pretentious? I don't hate the film but it's nothing I need to own.

rkish 03-04-2011 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyoko (Post 4454942)
Personally I find John Wayne and early Westerns in general pretty boring. I can't recall any Westerns I really like that were made before Sergio Leone started stirring things up.

And I don't feel Last Year at Marienbad is pretentious at all. To me it's a well-crafted, captivating stream-of-consciousness experience that can mean whatever the heck you want it to.

This is not aimed at you Pyoko...but comparing these two films is like comparing apples to oranges. Marienbad is the epitome of the genre of "arthouse" films (even though it didn't do much for me) and Stagecoach is a classic John Ford western that pretty much wrote the book on all western films that proceeded it and was ahead of its time as far as the subject areas it visited.

Both films are important films in the history of cinema and can hardly be compared. As far as preference...to each his own.

repete66211 03-04-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rkish (Post 4455691)
Stagecoach is a classic John Ford western that pretty much wrote the book on all western films that proceeded it and was ahead of its time as far as the subject areas it visited.

This is a good point. Some movies are so innovative and/or iconic that over time, because they're so often imitated (and sometimes improved upon), they can suffer for it. We can all think of examples of early movies that seem trite now because their original impact has been watered down by subsequent imitators.

JediFonger 03-04-2011 04:47 PM

what wilky says :D also i just don't have time to watch them. when there is a deal (like the recent 50% Criterion.com sale) i grabbed 4 titles. have i had time to watch them yet? nope. just toss them on the pile :D

beta, as for players dying that's why you get multiple players :D i think i have like 6 or 7. lost count after 3.

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Originally Posted by wilky61 (Post 4455391)
I think with Blu-Rays, the idea is that you probably won't ever be replacing your physical media. So even if you don't watch them all now but you just collect them, you're going to have the next 15 years to watch them...

Beta, what's your experience with Blu-Ray players? You've had multiple die? Which brands? You play the hell outta 'em?


rkish or any1. can som1 name another 'classic western' before Stagecoach. i know there *were* westerns made before... but i almost wanna say Stagecoach heralded the genre ;)

repete66211 03-04-2011 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JediFonger (Post 4455812)
rkish or any1. can som1 name another 'classic western' before Stagecoach. i know there *were* westerns made before... but i almost wanna say Stagecoach heralded the genre ;)

The Great Train Robbery (1903) comes to mind, but that was only the beginning. The Western was one of the first genres established. It's a genre that lends itself well to the serial format that was popular during the silent era. And since much (most?) early cinema used books and plays as source material, the popularity of Western literature meant you had more Western cinema.

wilky61 03-04-2011 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JediFonger (Post 4455812)
rkish or any1. can som1 name another 'classic western' before Stagecoach. i know there *were* westerns made before... but i almost wanna say Stagecoach heralded the genre ;)

The only one I can think of is a silent film Ford himself directed in 1917 called Straight Shooting. I believe it was his directorial debut.

stobbart 03-04-2011 05:01 PM

In response to the flipper case, I'm pretty sure they did that with Armageddon also, after the initial run of double cases ran out. Also, I think Armageddon may be the only release where in the insert or on the case there is no "About The Transfer" section.

TJS_Blu 03-04-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JediFonger
can som1 name another 'classic western' before Stagecoach. i know there *were* westerns made before... but i almost wanna say Stagecoach heralded the genre ;)

Look up William S. Hart. There were other silent cowboys (Tom Mix, etc), butyou will recognize a lot of archetypes in the Hart films.

buffetfroid 03-04-2011 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JediFonger (Post 4455812)
rkish or any1. can som1 name another 'classic western' before Stagecoach. i know there *were* westerns made before... but i almost wanna say Stagecoach heralded the genre ;)

Stagecoach is often credited with heralding the "maturation" of the genre

IronFingaz 03-04-2011 05:33 PM

Question for those of you who still buy Criterion DVD's. What would you recommend getting? I'm thinking mostly box-sets since some of the movies will likely get a Blu-Ray release. I got the Von Sternberg set and will get the War Trilogy set and John Cassavetes Five Films set.

repete66211 03-04-2011 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by buffetfroid (Post 4456047)
Stagecoach is often credited with heralding the "maturation" of the genre

...in the sound era.

Jr7936 03-04-2011 05:42 PM

just to let you guys know the pierrot le fou i posted about for 20 something with free shipping with amazon prime is sold. i checked the site to see something and it wasn't there
Hopefully one of you were able to get it

Beta Man 03-04-2011 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IronFingaz (Post 4456067)
Question for those of you who still buy Criterion DVD's. What would you recommend getting? I'm thinking mostly box-sets since some of the movies will likely get a Blu-Ray release. I got the Von Sternberg set and will get the War Trilogy set and John Cassavetes Five Films set.

3 Films by Shohei Imamura and the BRD Trilogy are two I have, that I really enjoy.


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