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ShellOilJunior 03-21-2011 07:35 PM

SB/CG,

I thought you'd like Malick. Days of Heaven was practically filmed like a silent movie and has sparse dialog (that and it's masterful, imo). Plus, I know you love silents.

I'm not understanding the indifference towards Malick.

jhiggy23 03-21-2011 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby (Post 4515620)
It's already rated high on Mubi with alot of fans, and no one has seen it yet, so I have my doubts about it not having alot of love for it (since it's obivious alot of people have made their minds up before even watching it. Masterpiece right?. I'd say.:rolleyes:).

I must be the only one on the entire internet not really high on seeing it. Can't wait though to hear the love of CGI Dinosaurs by Criterion and "arthouse" fans when this comes out though.

I hope Sean Penn and Pitt ride Dinosaurs in a big battle. That I will watch, and serious. I also hope Godard wasn't playing around when he announced his 3D talking dog film.

Might be because he created two of the best films of the 70s and one of the best films of the 90s, which were his first three films. Might give him just a little bit of credibility as a director.

octagon 03-21-2011 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rkish (Post 4516057)
I streamed this Kino DVD yesterday on NetFLix and really liked it: "Scarlet Street". Interesting Lang noir...don't know if this will ever make it to the CC blus, but it would be a good addition.

If you liked Scarlet Street you should look around for The Woman in the Window. It's a little bit more of a straight crime drama but it's another very good Lang/Robinson combo (made the year before).

I'd love to see somebody give these a really high quality restoration but I'm pretty sure they're both public domain. I know that's not an automatic dealbreaker but it doesn't usually help.

Hartley 03-21-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rkish (Post 4516057)
I streamed this Kino DVD yesterday on NetFLix and really liked it: "Scarlet Street". Interesting Lang noir...don't know if this will ever make it to the CC blus, but it would be a good addition.

I absolutely LOVE "Scarlet Street". I caved recently and bought the DVD for the David Kalat commentary and it was completely worth it, his commentary on this disc (and all of his other commentaries that I've listened to for that matter) are fantastic. Practically little film history courses in and of themselves! :D

I'd love to see it come out on Blu!

SpiderBaby 03-21-2011 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jhiggy23 (Post 4517376)
Might be because he created two of the best films of the 70s and one of the best films of the 90s, which were his first three films. Might give him just a little bit of credibility as a director.

Yeah, that must be it.

jhiggy23 03-21-2011 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby (Post 4517462)
Yeah, that must be it.

Must be.

SpiderBaby 03-21-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ShellOilJunior (Post 4517316)
SB/CG,

I thought you'd like Malick. Days of Heaven was practically filmed like a silent movie and has sparse dialog (that and it's masterful, imo). Plus, I know you love silents.

I'm not understanding the indifference towards Malick.

I was never a huge nerd for Malick, no. I LIKE his films, don't LOVE them. It's kind of like a Barry Lyndon thing for me. Love the cinematography (best of any Kubrick's films), but come on now.

jhiggy23 03-21-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by keldons (Post 4516851)
Not really. When you make films that people like (beyond all mentally sound boundaries) and have only put out 4 other ones since the early 70s, people get excited. It makes sense, even if you don't like Malick. Especially since this script has been hanging around since the 70s.

Also the point about Mubi is a waste of time, since that happens to every high-profile filmmaker's movie that gets put on there before its premiere. Happened with Film Socialisme before that was shown at Cannes, and The Turin Horse before that was shown at Berlin. Are we going to point fingers at Godard and Tarr for brainwashing their fans as well?

Speaking of Tarr, he needs to get a Criterion release immediately. The 9 hour Satantango? I'd prefer Werckmeister Harmonies myself, as it's still the most moving picture I've seen.

SpiderBaby 03-21-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jhiggy23 (Post 4517480)
Must be.

When you say "Two of the best films of the 70's" and "one of the best of the 90's", how many films are in the "best" list? Like, are they #1 or #2,345 of the best? And what about his last film? It's not a "best"? Now we are giving ratings to movies that is not out yet, based off of director's past works?

repete66211 03-21-2011 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GunRanger (Post 4517109)
I'm not talking about excitement. Everyone gets excited when one of their favorite directors is coming out with a new and interesting movie. I'm talking about people already talking like the movie is a masterpiece, when no one has seen it and not one review has come out. They've already convinced themselves they will like it. It's silly.

The very definition of ideologue (and a reminder that the word "fan" is short for "fanatical"). Such bias gets my hackles up too but I admit I fall victim from time to time. The Criterion label has influenced me, leading me to watch movies I normally wouldn't have and giving those I didn't particularly care for the benefit of the doubt just because they're Criterions. That seems to be the case with a lot of Criterion fans. I can think of more than one example of someone saying a Criterion title was great--not OK, good or pretty good but "great"--that (IMO) just plain sucked.

repete66211 03-21-2011 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartley (Post 4517382)
I absolutely LOVE "Scarlet Street". I caved recently and bought the DVD for the David Kalat commentary and it was completely worth it, his commentary on this disc (and all of his other commentaries that I've listened to for that matter) are fantastic. Practically little film history courses in and of themselves! :D

I'd love to see it come out on Blu!

I like Scarlet Street too. I received the "5 Film Noir Killer Classics" DVD collection as a gift. Usually those public domain collections suck so I wasn't too excited. However, in addition to Scarlet Street this one has D.O.A., Detour, The Stranger and Killer Bait so it's actually a pretty solid collection.

octagon 03-21-2011 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jhiggy23 (Post 4517376)
Might be because he created two of the best films of the 70s and one of the best films of the 90s, which were his first three films. Might give him just a little bit of credibility as a director.

I'm not taking sides on Malick but George Lucas' first three features were THX 1138, American Graffiti and Star Wars and he has zero credibility as a director.

I'm just saying...

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rkish 03-21-2011 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by octagon (Post 4517377)
If you liked Scarlet Street you should look around for The Woman in the Window. It's a little bit more of a straight crime drama but it's another very good Lang/Robinson combo (made the year before).

I'd love to see somebody give these a really high quality restoration but I'm pretty sure they're both public domain. I know that's not an automatic dealbreaker but it doesn't usually help.

Thanks Octagon! I checked and saw that I added "The Woman in the Window" to my queue recently. I must have heard about Scarlet Street from one of you guys. ;)

[Show spoiler]From the way that the Robinson character developed, I'm still shocked that he lost it and ice-picked the girl (happy that he did it...but surprised that he did! ;) )


I look forward to The Woman in the Window. :)

rkish 03-21-2011 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartley (Post 4517382)
I absolutely LOVE "Scarlet Street". I caved recently and bought the DVD for the David Kalat commentary and it was completely worth it, his commentary on this disc (and all of his other commentaries that I've listened to for that matter) are fantastic. Practically little film history courses in and of themselves! :D

I'd love to see it come out on Blu!

It's a Kino DVD, so I hope they eventually release it on blu...who knows...maybe they will release all of the noir films in that Lang noir collection.

rkish 03-21-2011 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by repete66211 (Post 4517578)
I like Scarlet Street too. I received the "5 Film Noir Killer Classics" DVD collection as a gift. Usually those public domain collections suck so I wasn't too excited. However, in addition to Scarlet Street this one has D.O.A., Detour, The Stranger and Killer Bait so it's actually a pretty solid collection.

Yeah...the picture in the NetFlix queue is from the cover of that collection...would be cool if Kino decided to release that boxset on blu! :)

repete66211 03-21-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by italy12 (Post 4516839)
My Onkyo will not output mono the way it was intended...

Mono is not an artistic decision so much as a technological limitation, so I'm not sure what you mean by "intended" here. Personally, I have my AVR send a mono soundtrack to all channels so I can hear it better.

jhiggy23 03-21-2011 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby (Post 4517503)
When you say "Two of the best films of the 70's" and "one of the best of the 90's", how many films are in the "best" list? Like, are they #1 or #2,345 of the best? And what about his last film? It's not a "best"? Now we are giving ratings to movies that is not out yet, based off of director's past works?

You never fail to amuse me. Those three films are widely considered among the best of their respective decades, according to innumerable critics. Lists are subjective, thereby making an actual number ranking irrelevant. A more generalized statement is much more effective at conveying the point. What about his last film? Did I mention it? Did I say it was a "best?" Nope. That was of your own invention, as is typical in your arguments.

As for your last sentence, who's "we?" And, assuming arguendo that you're referring to me, when have I ever given the film a "rating?" That's right, I didn't. The implication from my statements, which may or may not be over your head, is that the very little production that Malick has had and the quality he's produced almost universally among critics in his first three pictures warrants a degree of optimism (something you consistently have shown you lack) that his latest will be of a high quality.

jhiggy23 03-21-2011 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by octagon (Post 4517595)
I'm not taking sides on Malick but George Lucas' first three features were THX 1138, American Graffiti and Star Wars and he has zero credibility as a director.

I'm just saying...

That's a very fair point, but there's a major difference between the two. Lucas is considered very influential to cinema, but no one ever said he was a great director or writer in an artistic sense. Malick is nowhere near as well-known to the general public, but he's always been critically lauded for his directing and writing. But you make a fair point that a director's past certainly doesn't always translate to credibility, nor does it guarantee quality in upcoming films, but I think it's a case-by-case basis. At the end of the day, it's impossible to judge a film before it's released, but there's nothing wrong with looking forward to it and thinking it may continue along a trend of quality.

Beta Man 03-21-2011 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by repete66211 (Post 4517912)
Mono is not an artistic decision so much as a technological limitation, so I'm not sure what you mean by "intended" here. Personally, I have my AVR send a mono soundtrack to all channels so I can hear it better.

I can see playing a mono track through the L/R speakers.... but the surrounds??? The people on-screen would sound like they are in front of you, and behind you at the same time :confused:


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