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Cat III 01-14-2012 12:22 AM

Harold and Maude is good. Unlike some people here I saw it when I was around seventeen and liked it just fine. Not a first day-er though. I'll pick it up during the B&N sale, along with Godzilla and maybe Three Outlaw Samurai.

I agree the complaining can be a nuisance. Criterion releases a lot of interesting stuff and can't please all the people all of the time. Plus there are other quality companies out there. You can buy from them sometimes.:)

monque 01-14-2012 12:24 AM

Maybe Harold and Maude for me from this batch. May look into Alambrista.

SpiderBaby 01-14-2012 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ccfixx (Post 5677359)
I take one 50-minute drive home from work since the announcements and I see that, like clockwork, all of the Criterion pu$$ies come out of the woodwork to complain about no "mainstream" movies like Badlands, The Game, Chaplin films.

And to add to it, I believe Chaplin is one of 4 filmmakers (Melville, Bergman, and Malle) that has had the most releases by 1 filmmaker since Modern Times has came out. So I don't get this "When is the next Chaplin coming?".

Godzilla is the most popular film Criterion has released on dvd or blu-ray, and that came out this year. Just because they are FINALLY releasing more "obscure" (or should I say "new to dvd") titles (haven't seen this much since 09' btw), doesn't mean they are not going to release those good ol' movies that has had releases already.

If people are really complaining about experimental films, or some of the best films from a country like those Czech films, maybe Criterion is only for you when you want something re-released with "cool" cover art?

octagon 01-14-2012 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby (Post 5676996)
Question, is all the "mehs" because you have seen all of these and don't like them, or you don't care about them and will never experience them because you want something more in your comfort zone?

Interest zone is probably more like it. The Ozu is obviously worth a look and given the raves I'll likely rent the Eclipse set but to be honest there haven't been a lot of 'omg' announcements lately.

Which is fine, btw. Pale Flower, Kes, People on Sunday and Naked were all pretty 'meh' when I first heard of them and those worked out pretty okay.

Expanding my interest zone is a big part of what keeps me coming back.

rkish 01-14-2012 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Dalek (Post 5677075)
rkish must have passed out upon hearing about Late Spring...he's been really quiet...

Nope...just too busy with car, job, and family and I missed you guys breaking the news to me...I found out "by accident" from the announcement on the blu-ray.com news on the homepage.

I'm obviously thrilled about "Late Spring" and will likely buy that day one. I know little to nothing about the Czech New Wave films, but these films seem very intriguing and if I can't afford to buy them at their release...I will most certainly buy this Eclipse set during some sale in the near future.

Joe...I think Late Spring Spring would be a good introduction into the films of Ozu...if just for the Wim Wenders documentary, that is a great tribute to Ozu and would likely teach you more about him...he was a big influence on Wenders. I don't know if you have a region free player, but if you do, there are some good early films of Ozu (not his silents...though those are good as well) that BFI has already released, that I can suggest. They are much grittier than his later films and even surprised me. "A Hen In The Wind" is one title that comes to mind...

SpiderBaby 01-14-2012 12:36 AM

Question, and not to start a Malick war, but why has Badlands become this Citizen Kane of "please release!"?

AgentOrange 01-14-2012 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Yami (Post 5677380)
Frampton is something I'd play as an art display. It's certainly not something I could sit down and enjoy as a piece of entertainment

After checking out a few youtube clips. I think it's something I wont' be playing on blu-ray period. :hypnotized:

Of course I'm not one that complains about the films that Criterion DOES release. Variety, and pushing boundaries for what can be made commercially available is always a good thing.

However I'm still disappointed in no Chaplin, and still waiting on quite a few "upgrades" that are years overdo. A month with no upgrades at all doesn't help get us caught up to the back catalogue....:whip:

SpiderBaby 01-14-2012 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AgentOrange (Post 5677444)
A month with no upgrades at all doesn't help get us caught up to the back catalogue....:whip:

There was an upgrade.

jcs913 01-14-2012 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby (Post 5677419)
And to add to it, I believe Chaplin is one of 4 filmmakers (Melville, Bergman, and Malle) that has had the most releases by 1 filmmaker since Modern Times has came out. So I don't get this "When is the next Chaplin coming?".

Godzilla is the most popular film Criterion has released on dvd or blu-ray, and that came out this year. Just because they are FINALLY releasing more "obscure" (or should I say "new to dvd") titles (haven't seen this much since 09' btw), doesn't mean they are not going to release those good ol' movies that has had releases already.

CG, I am going to step back in and ask what you are adding to CC's comment? Criterion has the license for the Chaplin films and have released 2 of them so far. That is the same output as Suzuki on BD, that is my disappointment. Even Wes has 3 releases on BD. Are his films 'more worthy' of a blu release than Chaplin? I am at the front of the line for 'obscure' titles like you are, as that is what I believe has always been the backbone of what criterion is about, but I think some regular posters complaining about the lack of a Chaplin release is justified. Remember, a Chaplin release is a 'new' spine number with potential extras that have never been seen. This is my interest in Criterion putting out some Chaplin. I know the films have been out on dvd for years, but with Criterion, the supplements and the overall picture quality is unmatched from anything out worldwide. I believe this is why some are disappointed, but this is just my opinion...

retablo 01-14-2012 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AgentOrange (Post 5677444)
After checking out a few youtube clips. I think it's something I wont' be playing on blu-ray period. :hypnotized:

Of course I'm not one that complains about the films that Criterion DOES release. Variety, and pushing boundaries for what can be made commercially available is always a good thing.

However I'm still disappointed in no Chaplin, and still waiting on quite a few "upgrades" that are years overdo. A month with no upgrades at all doesn't help get us caught up to the back catalogue....:whip:

Late Spring is an upgrade.

But yeah while I applaud releases like Brakhage and Frampton, I don't need to own them because I'd never watch them. It's frustrating in a way because Criterion needs to put titles like these out, I just have no desire in them and wish they'd fill their monthly slate with a more consistent combination of obscure and known films. This months seems pretty much all obscure, except for Harold & Maude, and even that is a cult classic ay best. That's just me being selfish, though :) Maybe May will be 5 Chaplins.

retablo 01-14-2012 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs913 (Post 5677453)
CG, I am going to step back in and ask what you are adding to CC's comment? Criterion has the license for the Chaplin films and have released 2 of them so far. That is the same output as Suzuki on BD, that is my disappointment. Even Wes has 3 releases on BD. Are his films 'more worthy' of a blu release than Chaplin? I am at the front of the line for 'obscure' titles like you are, as that is what I believe has always been the backbone of what criterion is about, but I think some regular posters complaining about the lack of a Chaplin release is justified. Remember, a Chaplin release is a 'new' spine number with potential extras that have never been seen. This is my interest in Criterion putting out some Chaplin. I know the films have been out on dvd for years, but with Criterion, the supplements and the overall picture quality is unmatched from anything out worldwide. I believe this is why some are disappointed, but this is just my opinion...

I personally think they dropped the ball by not releasing the Chaplins as a box set with uniform packaging. Yes, it would take time, and yes it would be pricy, but it'd be cool to have something like the mk2/WB sets that I already own, instead of Criterion taking 2 years to put out 10 or so films. And what about all the shorts? Will they do like the KINO Keaton set and have 1 disc of all the shorts?

SpiderBaby 01-14-2012 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs913 (Post 5677453)
CG, I am going to step back in and ask what you are adding to CC's comment? Criterion has the license for the Chaplin films and have released 2 of them so far. That is the same output as Suzuki on BD, that is my disappointment. Even Wes has 3 releases on BD. Are his films 'more worthy' of a blu release than Chaplin?

When they get the rights to films they don't release them out the gate. Some films they have had for years still have not seen releases. The only difference between the unreleased Chaplin films and something they have had for half a decade that still hasn't been released, is that the public knows about the Chaplin films. They are spreading them out. When the public knows about it, more crying will come the longer they have to wait.

I agree with retablo that they should of just put them in a huge boxset. They wouldn't of been released any faster though, so the public would of been more upset that they knew about the Chaplins' and haven't seen 1 for years.

octagon 01-14-2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by retablo (Post 5677460)
Maybe May will be 5 Chaplins.

Meh

ccfixx 01-14-2012 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby (Post 5677419)
And to add to it, I believe Chaplin is one of 4 filmmakers (Melville, Bergman, and Malle) that has had the most releases by 1 filmmaker since Modern Times has came out. So I don't get this "When is the next Chaplin coming?".

If people are really complaining about experimental films, or some of the best films from a country like those Czech films, maybe Criterion is only for you when you want something re-released with "cool" cover art?

Here we go! :)

I like to think that I'm a super-huge Ingmar Bergman fan, but I'm not complaining with each month of new releases that all of Criterion's DVD-only releases aren't being upgraded to blu-ray. These people that have decided to leave the DVD format behind are missing out on a crap-ton of great releases. Of course, I want all of Bergman's films upgraded to blu-ray, but I'd much rather Criterion release some of the Bergman films that I've yet to obtain from foreign options... like the four Australian releases for which I can't seem to warrant the price. There are 13 films of Bergman not release on DVD in the USA but released on DVD by Tartan UK that I own. So, what I'm trying to say is that there are options, people, and not everything has to be on a freakin' blu-ray disc to enjoy it.

John Waters is my favorite director, but just because Pink Flamingos was once released by Criterion on laserdisc doesn't mean that I'm moaning all the time about Criterion not re-obtaining the licensing rights for release on blu-ray. I'm perfectly content with my New Line DVDs. Warner Brothers takes care of the New Line Cinema stuff these days so I can't imagine Criterion getting another shot at some of those films, but I would love to have Criterion release Waters' Mondo Trasho and Multiple Maniacs so that I can finally retire my VHS copies. If it doesn't happen, though, OH WELL.

Every new release (new film to the collection, new director, etc.) from Criterion is a welcomed release and experience to possibly find something new to enjoy. By the way, I'm 34-years old these days and if anyone wants to meet me on Chat Roulette let me know. ;)

ccfixx 01-14-2012 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by octagon (Post 5677435)
Expanding my interest zone is a big part of what keeps me coming back.

Is your 'interest zone' close to one of your erogenous zones, octagon? :)

octagon 01-14-2012 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ccfixx (Post 5677493)
Is your 'interest zone' close to one of your erogenous zones, octagon? :)

Picture a Venn's Diagram with a circle labeled E and a slightly larger overlapping circle labeled I.

toddly6666 01-14-2012 12:56 AM

I love it when Criterion releases highly rewatchable movies for a change - Harold and Maude day one!

P@t_Mtl 01-14-2012 12:56 AM

Frankly I am surprise, yes no Chaplin but we have Ozu on Blu-ray! That's got to mean something :D

Or maybe it's just me :o

jcs913 01-14-2012 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ccfixx (Post 5677486)
Here we go! :)

Every new release (new film to the collection, new director, etc.) from Criterion is a welcomed release and experience to possibly find something new to enjoy. By the way, I'm 34-years old these days and if anyone wants to meet me on Chat Roulette let me know. ;)

CC, just when I thought your wisdom was at its all time high point, you thankfully brought me back to reality...:D.... Thanks and Godspeed...

AgentOrange 01-14-2012 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by octagon (Post 5677435)
Interest zone is probably more like it. The Ozu is obviously worth a look and given the raves I'll likely rent the Eclipse set but to be honest there haven't been a lot of 'omg' announcements lately.

Which is fine, btw. Pale Flower, Kes, People on Sunday and Naked were all pretty 'meh' when I first heard of them and those worked out pretty okay.

Expanding my interest zone is a big part of what keeps me coming back.

What defines an OMG announcement?

The David Lean set certainly qualifies for me. As did Anatomy for a Murder and Godzilla (although Godizlla was already announced, that's a pretty major film for them to get hold of). Others would define it with the Czech New Wave, and a set of experimental short films. However even looking at things that weren't "OMG" shocking, I'm quite happy with getting upgrade for A Night to Remember, Last Temptation, and just based on the synopsis and short previews I will almost certainly be blind buying Moment of Truth, Three Outlaw Samurai, and Letter Never Sent, etc. I love me some blind buys. :p

Basically it seems like Criterion has been going strong so far this year, BOTH for people that want completely off the wall obscure titles and that want major/mainstream titles. You can't please EVERYBODY. It seems like April is a weak month for people wanting something major, but at least they have a couple of titles that push the boundaries far outside the box...


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