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Rhylliam 01-24-2010 08:59 PM

Those who are getting the replacement cases: Are you throwing out the old digipaks or wha?

(I never plan on getting the replacement cases myself, I live digipaks)

ChadFL 01-24-2010 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by d_m1010 (Post 2820219)
I'd like to see the Criterion 'The Last Temptation of Christ' come to blu.

Believe it or not I've never seen that one. I sure hope it's a better jesus movie than Passion of the Christ. I literally fell asleep during that one. Very unrealistic, bad acting and a crappy story.

Rhylliam 01-24-2010 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChadFL (Post 2822098)
Believe it or not I've never seen that one. I sure hope it's a better jesus movie than Passion of the Christ. I literally fell asleep during that one. Very unrealistic, bad acting and a crappy story.

Its better IMO. Not a fan of Passion myself really. Plus Peter Gabriel did the score! lol

GGX 01-25-2010 01:16 AM

Is it just me or is the audio option for Last Year at Marienbad labeled wrong in the menu on the Blu-ray? What I mean is when the Restored Audio is highlighted the Original Audio mix plays? And vice-versa? Can anyone check for me?

neo_reloaded 01-25-2010 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GGX (Post 2822433)
Is it just me or is the audio option for Last Year at Marienbad labeled wrong in the menu on the Blu-ray? What I mean is when the Restored Audio is highlighted the Original Audio mix plays? And vice-versa? Can anyone check for me?

The Criterion menus are kind of confusing. Only one option is "highlightable" at any point in time. The option that is currently actually selected is greyed out, and the non-selected option is highlighted - pressing enter will cause you to select the item highlighted, and it will then become greyed out. Look at the subtitles menu - it's the same way. I was initially confused by that as well, but I guess I've just come to expect it on Criterion BDs.

GGX 01-25-2010 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by neo_reloaded (Post 2822470)
The Criterion menus are kind of confusing. Only one option is "highlightable" at any point in time. The option that is currently actually selected is greyed out, and the non-selected option is highlighted - pressing enter will cause you to select the item highlighted, and it will then become greyed out. Look at the subtitles menu - it's the same way. I was initially confused by that as well, but I guess I've just come to expect it on Criterion BDs.

lol you seem to be right. Is it like this with all other Criterion titles? I've never noticed before. :P

neo_reloaded 01-25-2010 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GGX (Post 2822515)
lol you seem to be right. Is it like this with all other Criterion titles? I've never noticed before. :P

Yeah I think it's like this for all non-chapter options on all Criterion Blu-rays - subtitles, soundtrack, etc.

Iain 01-25-2010 01:35 PM

Back to the cases
 
I just reread the first page and if I am correct in my math, I need to pay 25.00 dollars for 8 cases. Is this correct? I don't want to overpay or underpay and I can't get an answer from Mulvaney at all. Sorry if this well worn ground.

JediFonger 01-25-2010 01:43 PM

Iain, that is correct. i paypal early this month and got a response/reply back to confirm they're delayed but will ship when they're back in stock. i also bought 8 cases.

Iain 01-25-2010 01:48 PM

Thanks for the help!
 
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Originally Posted by JediFonger (Post 2823807)
Iain, that is correct. i paypal early this month and got a response/reply back to confirm they're delayed but will ship when they're back in stock. i also bought 8 cases.

I will order them now. AND the waiting begins...sigh...

Iain 01-25-2010 03:34 PM

By the way
 
I am waiting for cduniverse.com to ship me 8 1/2 (they are in the same state as me and amazon doesn't have it) - I have a question for the people who own it: is there something wrong with the subtitles? Is that why amazon has taken it off their site? Just wondering if I should cancel this order.

substance 01-25-2010 03:50 PM

I watched In the Realm of Senses for the first time last night? What are your thoughts?

Iain 01-25-2010 03:54 PM

Itrs
 
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Originally Posted by substance (Post 2824210)
I watched In the Realm of Senses for the first time last night? What are you thoughts?

I liked it, but it was somewhat hard to watch. The scene with the egg put me off egg salad for quite a while lol.

Beta Man 01-25-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by substance (Post 2824210)
I watched In the Realm of Senses for the first time last night? What are you thoughts?

More important question, would be "What are your thoughts?"



I like the "addicted" theme, of sex, and control..... and I think the depiction of the separation of classes etc. was well done..... I think the acting was fantastic.... the imagery (in terms of angles and themes) was great.....

I think it would have worked well without the non-simulated sex scenes....... I think more people would have watched it too.

substance 01-25-2010 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta Man (Post 2824225)
More important question, would be "What are your thoughts?"



I like the "addicted" theme, of sex, and control..... and I think the depiction of the separation of classes etc. was well done..... I think the acting was fantastic.... the imagery (in terms of angles and themes) was great.....

I think it would have worked well without the non-simulated sex scenes....... I think more people would have watched it too.

Sorry it was a typo but i fixed it.

Ok after couple of answers now I know I am on the same page with others. I am happy to have this film in my collection.

ccfixx 01-25-2010 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Iain (Post 2824153)
I am waiting for cduniverse.com to ship me 8 1/2 (they are in the same state as me and amazon doesn't have it) - I have a question for the people who own it: is there something wrong with the subtitles? Is that why amazon has taken it off their site? Just wondering if I should cancel this order.

No, there is nothing wrong at all with the subtitles on "8 1/2." A previous member was having a problem with them but that was because after the lastest OPPO blu-ray player firmware update it gives the user a choice for positioning the subtitles and he had overlooked that.

CC

kndy 01-25-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by substance (Post 2824210)
I watched In the Realm of Senses for the first time last night? What are your thoughts?

As an art form, for a Blu-ray release or just the film itself? As an art form, current debate on auteurs, as a Blu-ray release...I felt it was rather interesting and quite daring for Criterion to release it on Blu. Granted, if Salo or Sweet Movie come out on Blu-ray, that would be...hmm... intriguing.

As for the film...

There has been a few movies in Japan that have been based on the storyline of Sada Abe but Oshima’s “In the Realm of the Senses” is the only film that focuses on the sex and the relationship between both Sada Abe and her lover Kichizo Ishida. It captures their sexual exploits and how it starts to become more extreme.

But as controversial this film was because of its sexual content, the story of what took place from the filming, to post-production and after the film’s release is also an exciting story covered in this release.

Because of the sexual freedom that has went on in the mid-70’s and America legalizing pornography, there have been a good number of sexual films that pushed the button of obscenity. Mainly because no one had a clear cut guide of what is the legal definition of obscenity.

For Oshima, the obscenity law in Japan was invented so people will avoid of thinking about sex directly but for this film, Oshima’s goal was to have people think about sex directly but by showing that his film is not pornography and it is not obscene.

So, for those of you who were considering buying this Blu-ray, may be wondering about what makes this film so controversial? Well, the best way to explain it features full-frontal nudity and the talent in the film engage in actual sex. All types of sex from intercourse, oral, objects being inserted…you get the picture. There’s more scenes that are quite graphic and some that may not go so well with the Western audience but again, it all depends on a person’s perception and what they are able to take in.

Is this film a pornographic film? Where pornography is focused on a quick act for the achieving sexual thrills for the viewer and people don’t exactly watch for its acting or storyline, “In the Realm of the Senses” is not a film that can be considered pornographic. This is a full-feature film with talent, it’s just that instead of faking love scenes, Oshima known for pushing the envelope and known for daring to be unique and different, does accomplish that with this film.

These sexual exploits are true and are based on an actual true story. If you are going to focus on the sex between a couple, you can’t skip on the details, you have to make it as real as possible.

Personally, I can see the two different perspectives of the different viewers. One who looks at artistic freedom and the ability for the talent who are doing their job in making a film quite realistic and making sure the sexual narrative is the main focal point. Then I can see the other side who will watch this film and think it’s a film about a string of sexual scenes with little narrative. This film and everything from photos or artwork at an art exhibit can always be criticized as pornography but it all comes down to one’s interpretation of pornography.

For me, “In the Realm of the Senses” was not pornographic. Shocking, to see certain sex acts…yes. But watching it, it was more in awe of how these two individuals would go so far into their sexual exploits and in the end, watching the tear fall from Ishida’s face, knowing that he can no longer be at the level of pleasing his wife as he would like and thus gives his life for her. And of course, the final moment which many Japanese who were familiar with the case know that because her love of the sex, she wanted to keep him close to her and thus she does the unthinkable.

In reality, people and the Japanese justice system sympathized with Abe and thus a six year sentence was reduced to four years. This was not murder, she did it out of love. As twisted as it may seem, there were not ulterior motives. This is how Ishida and Abe preferred to live their life together. A life full of sex.

This is not a romantic film about two people in love. This is a film about two people in love with having sex with each other to the extreme.

Sada and Kichizo’s sexual interest in each other is shocking and the way it’s finely acted by both Eiko Matsuda and Tatsuya Fuji is just amazing.

You learn from the special features and the included booklet of how Matsuda was ready to do her role but for the casting of the male lead, this was very difficult because most male talent approached didn’t want to have real sex or have their penis shown. Some who felt inadequate about the size. But for TV and film talent, Tatsuya Fuji to bravely take on the role and what he was able to accomplish was quite brave (especially learning how no male actor in Japan wanted to step up this role).

The same for Matsuda who was always in the buff, having sex and performing sex and the film crew were not looking for an actress who has done hard or soft-core films, they wanted an actress who can be believable as the Sada Abe and sure enough, she pulled it off.

Because of the subject matter, this film is not for everyone but for those with an open mind and willing to watch this film and see where Oshima is coming from in creating such a story and to know that it’s based on actual people, you can see how sex can be quite destructive.

All in all, for those open for something different, highly sexual and controversial for a film, “In the Realm of the Senses” is definitely a Blu-ray release for the adults that is worth trying!

kndy 01-25-2010 04:38 PM

For those who strictly only buy Criterion films on Blu-ray, I have a question for those of you who watched Jean-Luc Godard's film "Pierrot le fou". Did you enjoy it?

Personally, I would never advise a person curious of Godard to start off with the film but for those of you who watched it on the Blu-ray, were you more inclined to watch more Godard films or were you turned off by it?

I absolutely loved the film and probably the Criterion Blu-ray that I have watched several times now. But it helped by watching several of his films prior to watching "Pierrot le fou".

I feel Roger Ebert was correct:

So let this be a warning: You probably won't like "Pierrot le Fou." One of Godard's films, seen by itself, can be a frustrating and puzzling experience. But when you begin to get into his universe, when you've seen a lot of Godard, you find yourself liking him more and more.

So, curious if those of you who were exposed to Godard by this film were you more inclined to check out his other films or not.

Volume11 01-25-2010 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kndy (Post 2824420)
For those who strictly only buy Criterion films on Blu-ray, I have a question for those of you who watched Jean-Luc Godard's film "Pierrot le fou". Did you enjoy it?

Personally, I would never advise a person curious of Godard to start off with the film but for those of you who watched it on the Blu-ray, were you more inclined to watch more Godard films or were you turned off by it?

I absolutely loved the film and probably the Criterion Blu-ray that I have watched several times now. But it helped by watching several of his films prior to watching "Pierrot le fou".

I feel Roger Ebert was correct:

So let this be a warning: You probably won't like "Pierrot le Fou." One of Godard's films, seen by itself, can be a frustrating and puzzling experience. But when you begin to get into his universe, when you've seen a lot of Godard, you find yourself liking him more and more.

So, curious if those of you who were exposed to Godard by this film were you more inclined to check out his other films or not.

I didn't find it nearly as "out there" as most critics and casual viewers seem to have but I'm also a fan of Goddard's work so I was familiar with his style.

That being said, I can see a traditional film fan not enjoying this movie.

Beta Man 01-25-2010 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by substance (Post 2824244)
Sorry it was a typo but i fixed it.

Ok after couple of answers now I know I am on the same page with others. I am happy to have this film in my collection.

I wasn't referring to the typo...... I was saying that your thoughts on it were more important than those of others .......... because that's what really matters for your end result in your enjoyment of it.


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