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ChadFL 05-08-2010 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by scorsetinogilliam (Post 3244902)
i'm glad the movies matter to you...i'll take all the movies in different cases you don't want...
Well the movies matter to me and I still HATE cardboard cases. I'll probably hold off on Brakhage if they really are cardboard. Doubt I'll buy it unless they offer a replacement.

Volume11 05-08-2010 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kndy (Post 3245150)
But when the next one comes...because of the way things are restructured, I don't know if members will get the same type of deal.
I'm pretty sure somewhere in this thread back during the holiday sale I brought this point up and it was shot down by almost everyone. To me, its bad business to offer a hefty discount and then have random coupons and loophole policies (like being able to buy the membership and receive the discount with the sole intent of returning the membership) floating about for all of us to take advantage of. Some suit at B&N should be and likely is aware that at &19.99 + tax that's generally going to be the best deal offered and is more than enough of a sale to get the majority of us to buy our CC blus from them.

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I personally have no issue with anyone taking advantage of said loopholes, I'm just thinking economically from the perspective of the powers that be at B&N.

horseflesh 05-08-2010 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scorsetinogilliam (Post 3244902)
i'm glad the movies matter to you...i'll take all the movies in different cases you don't want...
I was maybe not being completely truthful and more like totally hyperbolic, and I actually won't slash my throat :D
The fact that people actually believed I was that pissed off though show that some people in fact are driven by packaging.....

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Originally Posted by ChadFL (Post 3245592)
Well the movies matter to me and I still HATE cardboard cases. I'll probably hold off on Brakhage if they really are cardboard. Doubt I'll buy it unless they offer a replacement.

I'd be inclined to think this of the issue...

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Originally Posted by captveg (Post 3245475)
I was hoping they would come up with a 2-disc version of the specialty keep-case, but honestly it's no big deal, IMO.

neo_reloaded 05-08-2010 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ChadFL (Post 3245592)
Well the movies matter to me and I still HATE cardboard cases. I'll probably hold off on Brakhage if they really are cardboard. Doubt I'll buy it unless they offer a replacement.
Well that's your choice, but I think the chances of any further replacement cases are very slim. They didn't do replacements because people were OCDing about them, they did it because they weren't happy with the overall quality. Presumably they would not make the same mistake twice. They have a long history of DVD digipaks and never has there been a replacement for those, and the Brakhage digipak is very similar to those.

BasicGreatGuy 05-08-2010 11:39 PM
I just finished watching "The Seventh Seal." My first viewing. Overall, I thought it was a good movie. In my opinion, the ending felt and appeared to be a little rushed. A thought-provoking movie.

ChadFL 05-09-2010 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by neo_reloaded (Post 3245986)
Well that's your choice, but I think the chances of any further replacement cases are very slim. They didn't do replacements because people were OCDing about them, they did it because they weren't happy with the overall quality. Presumably they would not make the same mistake twice. They have a long history of DVD digipaks and never has there been a replacement for those, and the Brakhage digipak is very similar to those.
So what's the point of cardboard cases then? Is there some mass support for cardboard over real cases among Criterion buyers I'm not aware of? If Criterion wants to maintain an image of releasing top-quality Blu-Rays you'd think they would want to keep the high quality clear cases rather than cheapy cardboard.

chetripley80 05-09-2010 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ChadFL (Post 3246909)
So what's the point of cardboard cases then? Is there some mass support for cardboard over real cases among Criterion buyers I'm not aware of? If Criterion wants to maintain an image of releasing top-quality Blu-Rays you'd think they would want to keep the high quality clear cases rather than cheapy cardboard.
Based on the pics displayed, the Brakhage set does not appear to be in "cheapy cardboard." It looks to be in similar packaging to the SD sets of "The Battle of Algiers" and "The Complete Mr. Arkadin." I've had both of those sets for years, and they've held up fine compared to the hard plastic criterion cases. Unless you tend to drop the your blu-ray cases regularly, the cardboard should be very durable and sturdy.

And I don't think its a matter of people supporting cardboard over plastic. I think Criterion wanted to deliver a product in an artfully designed manner that is reflective of the film they are distributing.

SpiderBaby 05-09-2010 04:50 AM
I don't care what they come in, Brakhage's films are the main goal here for me, so.......

You all have to think of it this way. Cover boxes and art isn't going to last forever. They will get old, dirty, and fall apart. So live with the fact you have these wonderful films, not to show them off.

joenostalgia23 05-09-2010 04:59 AM
How bad are the people on this site at handling their movies? I did NOT think it was that easy for people to stab holes through their eco-cases or rip apart/incinerate their cardboard digi-packs/digi-books "accidentally". I've never cared that much about packaging(except for artwork) for my movies.

BTW has anyone found any official artwork for Antichrist, Darjeeling Limited, Videodrome, Thin Red Line, or Seven Samurai?

fdm 05-09-2010 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by joenostalgia23 (Post 3247110)
BTW has anyone found any official artwork for Antichrist, Darjeeling Limited, Videodrome, Thin Red Line, or Seven Samurai?
Official artwork doesn't appear until items are officially announced. With actual release dates. And even then some of the final artwork isn't quite so final at that point.

neo_reloaded 05-09-2010 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ChadFL (Post 3246909)
So what's the point of cardboard cases then? Is there some mass support for cardboard over real cases among Criterion buyers I'm not aware of? If Criterion wants to maintain an image of releasing top-quality Blu-Rays you'd think they would want to keep the high quality clear cases rather than cheapy cardboard.
I don't see what your point is. "High quality" and "cardboard" are not mutually exclusive terms - not everyone hates cardboard on principle like you apparently do. In fact, for the DVD releases, many consider the cardboard digipaks to be superior! Look at Criterion-specific forums and you will see people wishing popular new Criterion releases come in digipaks as opposed to the standard plastic DVD case Criterion uses. And when unpopular titles like Monsoon Wedding come in digipaks, people say "it's a waste of a nice digipak."

The initial Criterion BD digipaks were considered substandard because there was not strong support - they would frequently come slanted and crushed, and the slipcovers ranged between too tight and too loose. These are not problems shared by the DVD digipaks which use the more structurally sound 3/4ths slipbox. This slipbox style is certainly what the new Brakhage digipak looks to be using, so presumably it will be just as sturdy.

McCrutchy 05-09-2010 07:08 AM
Okay, I've tried to hold my tongue on this, but this recent rash of intense speculation on forthcoming releases,--especially pre-orders and coverart for unreleased, unannounced titles is really bothering me. It just seems kind of high-and-mighty to presume things in such a certain way until we get the official announcement or listing from Criterion. Not an Amazon placeholder or pre-order, not a news article, however reputable, but an official announcement of titles for August for Criterion (and I saw that Facebook post about letting "the cat out of the bag" on their official Facebook page).

Maybe it's just me, but my excitement for the next announcement, which in all seriousness, is a highlight of my month in terms of shopping, has been all but ruined by pervasive postings regarding the "August titles" or the "Fall titles". Usually I'm all for speculation, but, especially seeing as this leak is for over a month's worth of releases, this time it just feels like people in the online community are trying to "one-up" Criterion, and frankly, if I were them, I would deliberately change as much as I could about next month's release schedule.

Yes, the leaked titles are all but coming, but we certainly don't know for sure that they are coming next month, especially now that this leak has happened. In the end, it's Criterion's decision when and how to release the titles they have ready, and beyond that a title is as good as NOT a Criterion.

neo_reloaded 05-09-2010 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by McCrutchy (Post 3247311)
Okay, I've tried to hold my tongue on this, but this recent rash of intense speculation on forthcoming releases,--especially pre-orders and coverart for unreleased, unannounced titles is really bothering me. It just seems kind of high-and-mighty to presume things in such a certain way until we get the official announcement or listing from Criterion. Not an Amazon placeholder or pre-order, not a news article, however reputable, but an official announcement of titles for August for Criterion (and I saw that Facebook post about letting "the cat out of the bag" on their official Facebook page).

Maybe it's just me, but my excitement for the next announcement, which in all seriousness, is a highlight of my month in terms of shopping, has been all but ruined by pervasive postings regarding the "August titles" or the "Fall titles". Usually I'm all for speculation, but, especially seeing as this leak is for over a month's worth of releases, this time it just feels like people in the online community are trying to "one-up" Criterion, and frankly, if I were them, I would deliberately change as much as I could about next month's release schedule.

Yes, the leaked titles are all but coming, but we certainly don't know for sure that they are coming next month, especially now that this leak has happened. In the end, it's Criterion's decision when and how to release the titles they have ready, and beyond that a title is as good as NOT a Criterion.
Criterion was one of the few companies previously not susceptible to retailer-linked early announcements - this kind of thing is par for the course for all the major studios, and many of the smaller ones. I guess you can have a personal opinion on what feels more "special," but if the information is out there then it's out there - it's not made up or imagined, someone somewhere let the cat out of the beg (whether purposeful or not), and it carries a certain weight. It's not "high and mighty," no one is dictating what Criterion releases besides the company itself - all this information originates from somewhere within Criterion.

As for Criterion changing things as much as possible to counteract early information getting out - why? Their goal is to make quality releases, and then sell these releases to as many people as possible. If there's enough excitement about titles that early retailer information is generating news posts and forum threads, that means people are excited! They should purposefully piss off these excited buyers just so they can feel some vague sense of control over the situation? Seems entirely counterproductive. I mean, if release information really changes due to things beyond their control - well stuff happens, and no one can hold it against them, especially considering they never officially announced it. But I just don't see any benefit whatsoever, for anyone, to changing plans just for the heck of it.

KubrickFan 05-09-2010 10:04 AM
It's my birthday today, and I got Lola Montes, Revanche, Days of Heaven and Paris, Texas from my folks :). Can't wait to watch those.

Belloche 05-09-2010 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KubrickFan (Post 3247442)
It's my birthday today, and I got Lola Montes, Revanche, Days of Heaven and Paris, Texas from my folks :). Can't wait to watch those.
Happy Birthday. That's a pretty good haul. I just watched my Days of Heaven last night and it doesn't dissapoint.

Belloche 05-09-2010 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by McCrutchy (Post 3247311)
Okay, I've tried to hold my tongue on this, but this recent rash of intense speculation on forthcoming releases,--especially pre-orders and coverart for unreleased, unannounced titles is really bothering me. It just seems kind of high-and-mighty to presume things in such a certain way until we get the official announcement or listing from Criterion. Not an Amazon placeholder or pre-order, not a news article, however reputable, but an official announcement of titles for August for Criterion (and I saw that Facebook post about letting "the cat out of the bag" on their official Facebook page).

Maybe it's just me, but my excitement for the next announcement, which in all seriousness, is a highlight of my month in terms of shopping, has been all but ruined by pervasive postings regarding the "August titles" or the "Fall titles". Usually I'm all for speculation, but, especially seeing as this leak is for over a month's worth of releases, this time it just feels like people in the online community are trying to "one-up" Criterion, and frankly, if I were them, I would deliberately change as much as I could about next month's release schedule.

Yes, the leaked titles are all but coming, but we certainly don't know for sure that they are coming next month, especially now that this leak has happened. In the end, it's Criterion's decision when and how to release the titles they have ready, and beyond that a title is as good as NOT a Criterion.
Rampant speculation and internet forums sort of go hand in hand. I can understand you feeling a little like somebody ruined the anticipation. I'm willing to bet getting those titles in your hand is going to make up for it.

ShellOilJunior 05-09-2010 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by McCrutchy (Post 3247311)
Okay, I've tried to hold my tongue on this, but this recent rash of intense speculation on forthcoming releases,--especially pre-orders and coverart for unreleased, unannounced titles is really bothering me. It just seems kind of high-and-mighty to presume things in such a certain way until we get the official announcement or listing from Criterion. Not an Amazon placeholder or pre-order, not a news article, however reputable, but an official announcement of titles for August for Criterion (and I saw that Facebook post about letting "the cat out of the bag" on their official Facebook page).

Maybe it's just me, but my excitement for the next announcement, which in all seriousness, is a highlight of my month in terms of shopping, has been all but ruined by pervasive postings regarding the "August titles" or the "Fall titles". Usually I'm all for speculation, but, especially seeing as this leak is for over a month's worth of releases, this time it just feels like people in the online community are trying to "one-up" Criterion, and frankly, if I were them, I would deliberately change as much as I could about next month's release schedule.

Yes, the leaked titles are all but coming, but we certainly don't know for sure that they are coming next month, especially now that this leak has happened. In the end, it's Criterion's decision when and how to release the titles they have ready, and beyond that a title is as good as NOT a Criterion.
Criterion did release a New Years card hinting at a dozen or so releases.

My feelings on this recent leak is we may not even see 2 of the films mentioned in the August line-up. For all we know those are planned for later in the year. There are always suprises---- ie. We all saw Red Shoes coming a mile away for July but did any of think another P&P would be released the same month with it?

KubrickFan 05-09-2010 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Belloche (Post 3247620)
Happy Birthday. That's a pretty good haul. I just watched my Days of Heaven last night and it doesn't dissapoint.
Thanks :). It'll be my first Malick, though I think I have recorded The Thin Red Line and The New World somewhere. I have to watch those too someday.

sixteenvolt420 05-09-2010 03:46 PM
I'm just starting my criterion collection, so far i have on the way:

Pierrot Le Fou (sealed)
The Last Emperor
The Third Man (sealed)
Wings of Desire
The Last Metro
The Seventh Seal
Walkabout
Playtime
The 400 Blows

SpiderBaby 05-09-2010 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ShellOilJunior (Post 3247640)
My feelings on this recent leak is we may not even see 2 of the films mentioned in the August line-up. For all we know those are planned for later in the year.
That's what I got out of "Coming this Fall".

Also I am going to speak the truth here. I bet come announcement day this month, there are going to be alot of people on here posting, "Where is Seven Samurai, Darjeeling Limited, Antichrist, etc?" It has happened every month since Thin Red Line and Seven Samurai has been announced, so I can't wait for that.


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