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capnnarcolepsy 06-17-2010 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by krazeyeyez (Post 3398764)
Well not criterion, but i figured the crowd in here might have some interest for this... may be old news but i just found this out.

http://www.shadowandact.com/?p=22256

Metropolis is showing in detroit, which is just a hop and a skip from me, looks like quite a few places are having showings though.


Damn, Tampa is the closest one to me, but it may well just be worth the drive. thanks for the heads up!

cdnchris 06-17-2010 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ccfixx (Post 3397957)
The blu-ray for "The Seventh Seal" is more expensive because it also includes "Bergman Island," which is not included on the DVD of "The Seventh Seal" reissue. It has to be purchased separately.

I think there are pricing errors for both "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence" and "The Thin Red Line" on their site right now since they recycle the templates for their pages.

CC

The Seventh Seal DVD does come with Bergman Island on a second disc (the second disc is basically the Bergman Island release with the same features, just different menus.)

And the new prices are correct for Thin Red Line and Mr. Lawrence. At least the sell sheet and press release indicate the lower prices for the DVDs.

ccfixx 06-17-2010 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cdnchris (Post 3398832)
The Seventh Seal DVD does come with Bergman Island on a second disc (the second disc is basically the Bergman Island release with the same features, just different menus.)

And the new prices are correct for Thin Red Line and Mr. Lawrence. At least the sell sheet and press release indicate the lower prices for the DVDs.

Oh, thanks for clearing that up for me, Chris.

CC

neo78956 06-17-2010 11:43 PM

Replacement cases all arrived in the mail today. Woot. They arrive fast when they actually recieve your Paypal payment lol. I imagine Pierrot le Fou will arrive by Saturday or Monday at the latest if they are this fast, since it shipped out today.

In other news, I've been going through a Criterion marathon of sorts.

Just watched Vivre sa Vie this afternoon. Some Criterion films make me think, some I enjoy. But some just knock me flat on my ass and leave me saying "WOW! That was a great movie!" Seven Samurai, Yojimbo, Ran, Kagemusha, Sanjuro, M, 8 1/2, The Seventh Seal, Hunger, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, The Third Man, and now, Vivre Sa Vie.

This film just blew me away. One thing I noticed in particular was just how amazing of an actress Ann Karina is. But also, just the visual aspects of the film were simply stunning. I don't know if anyone else has noticed or mentioned this before, but I feel like Tarantino, and to a lesser extent, Scorsese, both drew a lot of influence from Godard's films. Vivre sa Vie felt a lot like Tarantino's earlier films, Jackie Brown in particular. The style, structure, dialogue, etc. But that is to the credit of Godard, who clearly kind of defined this way of filmmaking. I could go on and on about how I loved every single aspect of this film, but that would get boring. In short, this is just one hell of a film. I can't wait to watch Pierrot le Fou when my copy arrives, and watch more Godard films in general.

jhiggy23 06-17-2010 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard (Post 3397331)
The Thin Red Line cover I think is not complete yet (The Criterion bar is kind of shown on the left but no wacky C), for right now it's not bad, but the worst of the Sept releases by far.

Strongly disagree. Breathless so far looks by far the weakest.

fdm 06-17-2010 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cdnchris (Post 3398832)
And the new prices are correct for Thin Red Line and Mr. Lawrence. At least the sell sheet and press release indicate the lower prices for the DVDs.

A rather disturbing trend...

Perhaps their early 50-50 ish dvd to blu ratio has dropped some? Or perhaps some blu-ray licensing constraints (e.g., the difference between getting rights to sell on blu-ray and dvd vs just getting the rights for dvd only). Factor in anticipated sales somehow, and maybe they just have to charge more to cover added expenses for these two. Maybe why some titles are dvd only in spite of how ready they are for blu too.

...Just guessing.

retablo 06-17-2010 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Volume11 (Post 3397782)
But even then one could argue that plenty of the 500+ collection offer little to nothing to the ongoing field of filmmaking...

They offer inspiration and influence, sincehardly anything made these days will, in 50 years, qualify as art like some a lot of the films in the Criterion Collection. Obviously, art is subjective, but I'd much rather see the next generation of filmmakers influenced by Godard (as Tarantino was), Truffaut, Bergman, et al, than... well, who? Nolan? Wes Anderson? Uwe Boll? No thanks.

SpiderBaby 06-18-2010 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by neo78956 (Post 3398951)
I don't know if anyone else has noticed or mentioned this before, but I feel like Tarantino, and to a lesser extent, Scorsese, both drew a lot of influence from Godard's films. Vivre sa Vie felt a lot like Tarantino's earlier films, Jackie Brown in particular.

Yes, Tarantino films are so Godard it's not funny. It's one of the biggest known influences, so it's no secret (Godard, who had some words for Tarantino knows). Its like he takes from B-movie genre films and mixes it with Godard.

Tarantino's production company, named A BAND APART, after Godard's film Bande á part or known in English as Band of Outsiders

Pulp Fiction drew from Band of Outsiders and Vivre sa vie. Mia Wallace is a play on Anna Karina. The moment of silence restaurant scene in Band of Outsiders and the "silence" discussion at the Jack Rabbit Slims in Pulp Fiction. Then you can also say both films have famous dance scenes after that.

SpiderBaby 06-18-2010 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jhiggy23 (Post 3399005)
Strongly disagree. Breathless so far looks by far the weakest.

Yes it sucks, even though it's been like that for years.:rolleyes: Stop being a Thin Red Line homer with it's bad photoshop design. Breathless packaging is one of the best in the collection, and alot of people will agree.

SpiderBaby 06-18-2010 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by retablo (Post 3399040)
Obviously, art is subjective, but I'd much rather see the next generation of filmmakers influenced by Godard (as Tarantino was), Truffaut, Bergman, et al, than... well, who? Nolan? Wes Anderson? Uwe Boll? No thanks.

Yes! Yes! Get after Wes "Look at me make a statement with the way I dress and make my characters dress too, so I have to be cool, but I know I'm not because I got stuffed into lockers in High School" Anderson!

Or Chris "I made The Dark Knight so I got a bunch of nerds going back into my Filmography trying to make it look like masterpiece after masterpiece, when I know for a fact they wouldn't know who I am if I didn't even make a Batman" Nolan.:D


Okay, I do like some Nolan films, but he isn't the most important Hollywood director working today like millions of comic book fans would think.

neo78956 06-18-2010 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard (Post 3399076)
Yes, Tarantino films are so Godard it's not funny. It's one of the biggest known influences, so it's no secret (Godard, who had some words for Tarantino knows). Its like he takes from B-movie genre films and mixes it with Godard.

Tarantino's production company, named A BAND APART, after Godard's film Bande á part or known in English as Band of Outsiders

Pulp Fiction drew from Band of Outsiders and Vivre sa vie. Mia Wallace is a play on Anna Karina. The moment of silence restaurant scene in Band of Outsiders and the "silence" discussion at the Jack Rabbit Slims in Pulp Fiction. Then you can also say both films have famous dance scenes after that.

I did notice a lot of Mia Wallace/Nana comparisons, and the dance scene was soooooo Pulp Fiction. I need to read up more on Godard and Tarantino. I love learning about these relationships these filmmakers had/have with each other. Souns like Godard had the same opinion of Tarantino's homage to him as Kurosawa felt about Leone pretty much remaking Yojimbo shot for shot with A Fistful of Dollars but never giving Kurosawa due credit. Kurosawa certainly had some things to say about that. ;)

SpiderBaby 06-18-2010 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by neo78956 (Post 3399112)
I did notice a lot of Mia Wallace/Nana comparisons, and the dance scene was soooooo Pulp Fiction. I need to read up more on Godard and Tarantino. I love learning about these relationships these filmmakers had/have with each other. Souns like Godard had the same opinion of Tarantino's homage to him as Kurosawa felt about Leone pretty much remaking Yojimbo shot for shot with A Fistful of Dollars but never giving Kurosawa due credit. Kurosawa certainly had some things to say about that. ;)

It's about the same with Godard and Kurosawa, and they should feel that way (well did feel that way in Kurosawa, RIP).

neo78956 06-18-2010 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard (Post 3399105)
Yes! Yes! Get after Wes "Look at me make a statement with the way I dress and make my characters dress too, so I have to be cool, but I know I'm not because I got stuffed into lockers in High School" Anderson!

Or Chris "I made The Dark Knight so I got a bunch of nerds going back into my Filmography trying to make it look like masterpiece after masterpiece, when I know for a fact they wouldn't know who I am if I didn't even make a Batman" Nolan.:D


Okay, I do like some Nolan films, but he isn't the most important Hollywood director working today like millions of comic book fans would think.

I wouldn't say Nolan is THE most important active director, and I don't think he made The Dark Knight for ego reasons. But make no mistake, Nolan is certainly one of the best working directors out there, and consistently offers up excellent films. I wouldn't say they are all masterpieces by any stretch. I'd only place Memento and The Dark Knight in that category, but his films are inspiring a new generation of filmmakers, and that counts as important to me.

As far as important contemporary directors go, you have

Christopher Nolan
Quentin Tarantino
Peter Jackson
Guillermo del Toro
Jason Reitman
Paul Thomas Anderson
Ethan and Joel Coen
David Fincher
The Pixar staff
Darren Aronofsky
Kathryn Bigelow

I was going to group Martin Scorsese, Clint Eastwood, Steven Spielberg, Michael Mann, Ridley Scott, Terrence Malick, and James Cameron in there, but I don't think I'd call them contemporary directors in the same vein as the ones I just mentioned. They're definitely in the pantheon of great working directors, but not really contemporary or in the same generation as the other list.

SpiderBaby 06-18-2010 12:28 AM

Since for some reason Hollywood filmmakers came up, I thought I would talk about my fav Hollywood filmmaker and my fav film of his.

Paul Thomas Anderson and Punch-Drunk Love

Influences of Tati, Godard, Night of the Hunter, and much more.

Every reason why I love this film is here:

http://www.a2pcinema.com/archive/PDL/influences.htm

Beta Man 06-18-2010 12:34 AM

I can't leave you guys alone for a minute ;)


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Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard (Post 3399086)
Yes it sucks, even though it's been like that for years.:rolleyes: Stop being a Thin Red Line homer with it's bad photoshop design. Breathless packaging is one of the best in the collection, and alot of people will agree.

Pot...... meet Kettle :D

neo78956 06-18-2010 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard (Post 3399145)
Since for some reason Hollywood filmmakers came up, I thought I would talk about my fav Hollywood filmmaker and my fav film of his.

Paul Thomas Anderson and Punch-Drunk Love

Influences of Tati, Godard, Night of the Hunter, and much more.

Every reason why I love this film is here:

http://www.a2pcinema.com/archive/PDL/influences.htm

Interesting that you picked Punch Drunk Love. I'm afraid I have to be on the bandwagon and say that There Will Be Blood is far and away my favorite P.T. Anderson film, and the best American film of the last decade, IMO.

SpiderBaby 06-18-2010 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by neo78956 (Post 3399170)
Interesting that you picked Punch Drunk Love. I'm afraid I have to be on the bandwagon and say that There Will Be Blood is far and away my favorite P.T. Anderson film, and the best American film of the last decade, IMO.

I love PDL because I love french filmmaking and PDL is loaded with influences. But I did go to the movies to see TWBB a couple times when it came out. I love PTA films, just PDL is my fav.

Sukuri 06-18-2010 12:37 AM

Hey anyone in Canada still looking for The Third Man?

jhiggy23 06-18-2010 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard (Post 3399086)
Yes it sucks, even though it's been like that for years.:rolleyes: Stop being a Thin Red Line homer with it's bad photoshop design. Breathless packaging is one of the best in the collection, and alot of people will agree.

The fact that it's been like that for years is irrelevant; it doesn't make it good. I'm not saying The Thin Red Line has the best cover in the collection, but simply the best for September. My reason for saying so is completely valid--it expresses the main theme of the film, which I cannot recall another cover doing.

"A lot of people" may agree that it's one of the best packaging jobs in the collection, but a lot of people will also disagree about that statement, as well as agree that the cover art is weak. At the end of the day, it's about what appeals to you. Personally, I think it's not that great, just as I think Godard is an overrated director (albeit a highly important one).

SpiderBaby 06-18-2010 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Beta Man (Post 3399168)
I can't leave you guys alone for a minute ;)

Pot...... meet Kettle :D

Baxter, you know I don't speak Spanish. English please.:D


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