Thanks everyone. Updated the list.

Though isn't there an option on the Samsungs to output interlaced content at 1080p? Or if there is does that option not get used with 50i content, only 60i?

When I pick up a BD-D5100 for my F1 disc and get it home, I'll set it to 1080p output and see if it's still outputting 1080i60. The player was set to "AUTO" and chose 1080i60, didn't check on forcing 1080p but it seems like that setting to me just says what the maximum resolution you can output is and not what it will scale to?

I'll report back later. Just sold my BD-P2550 for $50 (I paid $35 for it) so I'm really not out any money picking up a BD-D5100. :)

Downloaded BDInfo.exe
 

This program can determine whether a Blu-ray is authored at 60i or 50i. I discovered that the Lark Rise to Candleford Blu-ray season 1 is authored at 60i but seasons 2 and 3 are at 50i. The information can be tricky to interpret.

Here is the link: http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/tools/bdinfo

Hi everyone,

In the list of the players, why is there sometimes 50Hz or 60Hz, and sometimes 50i or 60i.

Sometimes I saw 1080/50i, sometimes 1080i/50, sometimes 1080i/50Hz

Are there any difference?

Thanks!:rock:

Because I started changing it (to "50i content" instead of "50Hz content") for the new ones :)

I don't mind changing it to whichever way is easiest to understand, and which is the most 'correct'. eg. in a recent post, someone emailed Sony saying something like is such a player compatible with 50hz, and they apparently said yes (even though no US Sony player can play 50i/50p content), so I wondered whether by referring to it as 50Hz whether that was confusing them. Also, while the Blu-ray format allows 50p content (720p50), currently I don't think there are any 720p50 titles - but there are ones containing 576/50i or 1080/50i.

Also, I wasn't sure it was best to refer to them as 50Hz content, because, though they get output at 50Hz (50 times a second - or 60 for US players such as Samsung), and while there are some titles which have 50Hz temporal resolution, for the most part, the temporal resolution of most 50i Blu-ray titles are 25Hz (though some could use both - eg. Planet Earth Special Edition might use 25Hz temporal resolution mostly but 50Hz for dissolves/credits etc. Other titles could be 99% or totally 50Hz temporal res). So was it best to refer to them as "50Hz content" when the discs could be 25Hz in temporal resolution or 50Hz or both? So I put "50i content" for a few new ones instead. Though I could have kept it as "50Hz" as 50Hz is the "field rate" of 50i, though I thought it still wasn't as 'correct' in all meanings as saying "50i content".
I've always said 1080/50i here. All 3 mean the same thing - though "1080i/50" and "1080i/50Hz" aren't standard ways of writing it (by EBU/ITU standards).

The EBU now prefers referring to it as 1080i/25, and that means the same thing (25 full frames per second / 50 fields per second).
http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/tech/tech3299.pdf
Though other EBU documents have referred to it as 1080/50i,
eg. http://tech.ebu.ch/docs/techreview/trev_299-ive.pdf

Though you'll see documents referring to it both ways, and also by some sites as "1080i50". Though I think writing it as "1080/50i" (which is a standard way of writing it) instead of "1080i/25" (which also is) shows more clearly that the picture can change 50 times a second.

Just bought an LG BD 630 ...
 

... at the local Best Buy for $80. I also got the $20 4 year repair contract because I read some negative reviews on Amazon that the player sometimes stopped working within a few months. I now have two Blu-ray players that can convert 50Hz to 60Hz and work with all my HDTVs. I also like the fact that I can play .mp3, .wma, .wav, or .m4a (iTunes native format) music files as long as they are DRM free. Both LG players can also play .tp files, which is the native format of my M-6620N Digital Video Recorder! I use the DVR to record HD broadcast TV programs, import them over a LAN to my computer, edit out comercials with VideoReDo, and burn them to DVD-R (High Definition and DD 5.1 sound).

Insignia NS-BRDVD4 [Outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz, Can be made region free]

Guy never showed up to buy my BD-P2550, so I never bought the BD-D5100.

I am going to trade with my father-in-law for his BD-D5700. He won't ever watch UK blu-ray discs and he has a receiver that doesn't have HDMI so he can't get lossless audio. They have a crap load of DVD's too. With the BD-P2550 they'll get a better DVD upscaler and can hook it up for lossless audio because it has 7.1 analog outputs, and I will get the better 1080i50 performance.

Everyone's a winner! :rock:

What a hassle this has been, all for friggin' Formula One playback, haha.

Hey, are you referring to the NS-BRDVD4? Does that repair contract apply to refurbished models?

Panasonic DMP-BD75 50Hz(i) Compatibility?
 

Hoping someone has good info on this player? I see the list shows:
Panasonic DMP-BD65 [Outputs 50Hz content at 50hz]
Panasonic DMP-BD85 [Outputs 50Hz content at 50hz]

and I own and can confirm that the BD-65 is compatible, but wondered about the BD75.

Thanks.

LG BD 670 3D Wireless
 

Hi all,

I have been trying to figure out if LG BD 670 outputs PAL/UK content at 50 Hz or converts to 60 Hz....any help would be greatly appreciated.

I have a Sony LCD, and I am pretty sure it will not be able to accept 50 Hz input. So, I need a player which will convert and output at 60 Hz (my current players Sony 470 and Panasonic 210 do not do this).

I have the other option of going for LG 630, but that does not have integrated wireless, which is a useful feature, so considering LG 670.

Thanks in advance!!

no wonder , I was trying to figure out what was going on, only the logo appeared than everything went blank

This is apparently the go-to thread on the internet to determine blu ray player compatibility with PAL.

I just wanted to update with my information, in case it might help someone, as I spent hours trying to figure this out yesterday.

I bought the Sherlock Holmes Season 1/2 Region Free Blu ray from amazon.uk - these discs play perfectly, including the extras, on my TV and blu ray player. Apparently these discs are not playing on a lot of North American TVs/blu ray players. Works on mine though, and looks incredible.

TV: LG 55LK520
Blu ray player: Philips 3406/F7

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

Thanks. I've added the Phillips BD player to the list. Does your TV show whether it outputs that disc at 50Hz or 60Hz (eg. does pressing Info on the TV remote while playing this disc display that?)?

Unfortunately no. It displays 16:9 1080P but no other info.

I set my bluray player to 1080p/24hz and my TV to "Just Scan". It's perfect.

Is it possible it's just moved it up to 25hz?

Also, I tried every possible combination - Auto; Native; 480i/576i; 480p/576p; 720p; 1080i; 1080p; 1080p/24hz - and they all played but the combination I'm using now looks best pq-wise.

Honestly, I have no idea what it's doing, I'm just happy it's working!

I don't think so since that's not a standard HDMI video format supported by TVs/BD players. If the TV is saying it's receiving a 1080p signal when playing a 50i disc, I'd think it would be receiving either a 1080p50 or 1080p60 signal.
No problem :) I was just asking because if the TV showed it was receiving 1080p60 (or 60i) on a disc which we know is 50i, then it would be known that this BD player could be used for playing 50i discs on any (HDMI compatible) US TV. If the TV was receiving 1080p50, then people with TVs incompatible with 50Hz might not be able play/view 50i discs with this BD player (unless it was capable of outputting 50i discs at both 50 and 60Hz).

Where do you get the Enhanced Firmware?
 

I have Panasonic DMP-BDT110 and DMP-BDT210 and neither will play the UK version of BBC LIfe that I recently bought. My (cheap) Insignia will. Really ticked me off that Panasonic would do this to US customers.

- nopcbs

Yes, thanks dobyblue and 4K2K! I registered and wanted to post that I bought a Samsung BD-E5700 today based on your comments and list update, and I can confirm it converts my region-free 25fps / 50 Hz, etc. discs to my TV's 1080p 60 Hz refresh rate. My TV does not support 50 Hz input and I have a Panasonic DMP-BDT110 that will not output video on the same discs where the Samsung does.

I also owe a big thank you to Samsung for supporting this capability in an affordable player!

Cheers,
Vinmar

Vinmar - did you mean D5700? I was looking at the E5700 today, but couldn't confirm either way that it also converts the 50hz region free...

It'd be nice to find out, as my local best buy has the E5700 in stock...and it's on sale...

Thanks vinmar, I've added the Samsung BD-E5700 to the list.

2012 model year 50 Hz/50i compatible players?
 

Other than the Samsung BD-E5700? Hoping for a broader selection than 1.

I don't know about your Sony panel, but I have a Sony Bravia panel (KDL-EX500 series, I think) that displays PAL just fine over the component and HDMI connections (but not over composite, unlike my Sharp TVs which accept PAL/50hz over all inputs) without having to be converted to NTSC. I know this doesn't necessarily cover 1080i/50, but it's possibly a good sign, since it accepts a native PAL signal. You might not need a "converting" player after all.

I haven't included the initial release date of the various players in the lists, but is there a specific reason you are excluding all those players initially released more than about 5.4 months ago - even though they are for sale brand new?

Though for other player models not listed, you could get an indication from those that are on the list. ie. there's probably a good chance that most if not all of the recent Samsung players are also compatible. Maybe ask at a store if you could check a 50Hz Blu-ray disc in a player you are interested in to check for compatibility before purchasing? Also, if the players(s) you are interested in are not on the lists in the OP, you could also check/ask in the threads for those players in the forum to check their 50Hz compatibility.

Thanks for the information.

Hello - sorry for the delayed rely. Correct that it's the E5700. I got it during the best buy sale as well.

I'm interested in knowing if other Samsung models such as the non-wifi E5300 support 50 to 60Hz conversion. I don't need wifi support but felt it was less of a risk getting the 5700

sorry i just went back through and found this question


Samsung HDTV reports 60 Hz listed with BD Player source when I switch source to BD player with a 1080i50 BD in player already playing (pressing info on my Samsung LCD actually doesn't tell me, it only tells me when switching to the source; tested with French copy of Jim Jarmusch's Broken Flowers)

again, this is for SAMSUNG BD-C6500, and apparently, it does convert to 60 Hz as suspected. But glad to confirm it for all =)

btw, it will not play my PAL DVDs though, which I am saddened by, since I have a good many PAL DVDs.

Thanks mb3. I wonder if it not playing PAL DVDs is because of the region coding (eg. being set to region 2 instead of 0. all regions) - though surely it would have said they were the wrong region if they were.

Samsung BD-E5300 is 50Hz Compatible
 

I can confirm that the Samsung BD-E5300 [Outputs 50Hz content at 60Hz] is compatible with 50Hz/50i media. Tested w/ 2 Entertain Video's U.K. editions of Lark Rise to Candleford: Series 2 BD set (1080/50i) & Little Dorrit Blu-ray (1080/50i). Both played perfectly and output at 60Hz on my Samsung and LG HDTVs.

Thanks, good to know. I saw a repackaged one at Target for under $65. Might pick it up as a backup player if it's still on the bargain shelf next time I'm there. It's not that much more new, either.

$69.99 @ Amazon.com, fyi

Panasonic DMP-BDT210 "Life" Blu-ray problem
 

First, let me say that I have read all of the posts in this thread in an attempt to solve this problem myself. I have been unsuccessful and hope that someone can and will help me. I am trying to play the BBC "Life" Blu-ray discs. The intro and set up screen displays but once I hit play there is audio but no video. My system consists of a Panasonic DMP-BDT210 player (I have already updated the firmware), an Epson PowerLite 8350 projector, and a Denon AVR-2112CI receiver, all connected via HDMI cables.. The Epson 8350 owner's manual shows one of the Compatible Video Formats with HDMI to be: Signal HDTV 1080p; Refresh rate (Hz) 24/30/50/60; Resolution 1920 x 1080. The Blu-ray disc shows video format to be High Definition 1080p and disc format to be 4 x BD50. I have tried various settings on the player and projector with no success. I have not had any problems playing other Blu-ray discs. Any help would really be appreciated.

See this thread:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=174389

I think it only works if you're using 'enhanced' firmware (ie. not the official firmware) - which is why it is only in the 'compatible' list if using "enhanced firmware" and in the 'not compatible ' list with standard firmware. Also the site that has the 'enhanced' firmware want a 'donation' (payment really) for that firmware so it isn't free.
The UK Life discs are encoded as 1080/50i (which is the correct format for this title. If it was 1080p it would be at 24 fps which would be a slowed down version, and also credits - which are the bits that are interlaced in the title, would be less than half as smooth in motion - the rest is mostly 50i (interlaced) but encoded as progressive segmented frames - ie. similar to 25p).

So what it says on the back cover isn't technically correct, since the only 1080p format available in the standard Blu-ray specs is 1080p24 or 1080p23.976 (but what is on the disc is actually the most accurate for the title).

Thanks. I've added it to the compatible list.

I have tested the BD-P1500, BD-P2550, BD-D5100, BD-D5700 and all four convert 1080i50 to 1080i60. The first two in the list do so with some interlacing artifacts, but the 2011 models onwards do a crystal clear perfect conversion.

Thank you 4K2K. That tells me what I need to know. I think I will buy a compatible player rather than deal with the enhanced firmware.

I think the 4xBD 50 refers to the disc size, rather than any on-disc formatting (a lot of UK DVDs, for example, will say on the back if it's a DVD5 or a DVD9, for example), even though the person who posted this probably didn't know that and assumed it had something to do with video.

I was talking about the back cover incorrectly saying "1080p" - since it's actually encoded as 1080i (50i) - ie. interlaced - though it will mostly contain 25p style content. I wasn't talking about the "4xBD 50" (maybe I should have cut that bit out of the quote).

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Life-Blu-ray/6699/

No I thought it was obvious what you were saying.

Does the Insignia NS-WBRDVD2 output at 50Hz or does it output at 60Hz?

Almost certain it accepts the 50hz signal and outputs it at 60hz. This has been a recurring theme with the Insignia BR players that can be made region free.