Is Anybody Ever Going To Ask About Dts-hd Ma For The Ps3???

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

you gotta be kiding me. Home will sell consoles, people see that and go, wow! thats neat I wanna ps3. BD-Live will sell players, people see that and go, wow! thats neat I wanna ps3. 1st party software will sell consoles, people will see the games and go, wow! thats neat i wanna ps3.

how many consumers have actually ever heard dts-hd-ma being played, a lot less than have seen the above things. those above things sell consoles, dts-hd-ma doesn't. its nice and it will come, but sony is going to work on the things that gets the ps3 over the 360 first.

only the hardcore home theater enthusist has ever looked at a ps3 and said, im not getting that because it doesn't support dts-hd-ma.

the majority of ps3 owners don't even know what dts-hd-ma is, and the others that do, the vast majority of them don't have the equipment to pass dts-hd-ma, and the others that have a ps3 with a sound system that supports dts-hd-ma i feel like would want bd-live, home, and great games more than imporved audio.

+1
agree 100%

[kitkat99]

now i got the ps3 so i could enjoy movies and games, the hole point of hi def is to enjoy the hidef picture and HI DEF sound. I have the onkyo 805, however i cant enjoy my rush hour 3 with 7.1. i even set the ps3 to send bitstream instead of pcm so that my receiver can decode it , but nope only send in multi channel and doesnt even send anything to the speakers #6 and 7. i never get those speakers to light up on the receiver even when i am playing a differ movie with dd + or dex or dttrue hd which are supposed to have 6 channels. i have all my settings correct. does anyone know why i have this problem.
Bottom line if you dont get the hidef sound your only getting half of the benefit of blue ray movies. any suggestion how to fix my problem?

[DiverDRA]

Originally Posted by jag2007

I can do with out bd live. I want DTS HD-MA and I want it now!!

Agree - because the PS3 cannot bitstream to allow an AVR to decode, PS3 needs DTS HD-MA added via firmware when the Panny BD-50 hits the streets or the PS3 gets relegated to the game room and replaced.

[frenchglen]

I can't believe what I'm hearing on this thread.

People are not aware of how this technology works, and what the OP was actually asking about.

The fact that a lot of people here on BD.com aren't clear about it is alarming to me.

What we need is DECODING, *NOT* Bitstreaming.

DECODING (in the BD player) means that the Blu-ray Player decodes it into STANDARD PCM, which is what EVERY HDMI receiver out there can support, which is A LOT OF RECEIVERS. including my own beloved Pioneer, which I don't want to waste the money upgrading.

It's BITSTREAM that only a small number of receivers (with HDMI 1.3) can benefit from.

How about all the Fox titles? And New Line? And future releases? When Universal comes on board, they will probably use it too, because their Gladiator DVD uses DTS 6.1, one of the handful of DVD titles to do so.

We need DTS-HD MA decoding support NOW.

Calms down...

[kitkat99]

when my recever decodes it not pcm pass through my recever will read dts hd ms otherwise it only says multi channel, then how do iknow its really hd master? why does the ps3 allow btsteam or pcm?

[frenchglen]

Originally Posted by kitkat99

when my recever decodes it not pcm pass through my recever will read dts hd ms otherwise it only says multi channel, then how do iknow its really hd master? why does the ps3 allow btsteam or pcm?

I cannot decipher your English from your post, but I can understand your post title:

and sorry, for that the PS3 would need to have bitstream support, and you'd also need a receiver with HDMI 1.3.

[Luis_A51]

Originally Posted by kitkat99

when my recever decodes it not pcm pass through my recever will read dts hd ms otherwise it only says multi channel, then how do iknow its really hd master? why does the ps3 allow btsteam or pcm?

You know its HD master by using the Display option on your PS3. It tell you exactly what audio track it is currently playing.

The PS3 does not allow decoding or bitstreaming of DTS-MA right now. THe hope is that it will eventually decode it internally, and pass it to the receiver as PCM.

[martin4937]

Is it poosible taht sony will bring out a firmware update that will allow the pS3 to bitstream Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio to the reciever for it to decode? Id much prefer that as Top quality recievers will do a much better job.

[quetzalcoatl]

Originally Posted by martin4937

Is it poosible taht sony will bring out a firmware update that will allow the pS3 to bitstream Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio to the reciever for it to decode? Id much prefer that as Top quality recievers will do a much better job.

No it has been talked about in many thread and even from insiders that it will not do it.

[ckenisell]

They say that the PS3 lacks some kind of hardware to bitstream DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. I don't know who "they" is and it has neither been officially confirmed or denied by Sony.

[Downhere]

I would hope that DTS MA will finally be implemented as soon as possible. That's my number one want for the PS3. It shouldn't be that difficult to implement.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

you gotta be kiding me. Home will sell consoles, people see that and go, wow! thats neat I wanna ps3. BD-Live will sell players, people see that and go, wow! thats neat I wanna ps3. 1st party software will sell consoles, people will see the games and go, wow! thats neat i wanna ps3.

how many consumers have actually ever heard dts-hd-ma being played, a lot less than have seen the above things. those above things sell consoles, dts-hd-ma doesn't. its nice and it will come, but sony is going to work on the things that gets the ps3 over the 360 first.

only the hardcore home theater enthusist has ever looked at a ps3 and said, im not getting that because it doesn't support dts-hd-ma.

the majority of ps3 owners don't even know what dts-hd-ma is, and the others that do, the vast majority of them don't have the equipment to pass dts-hd-ma, and the others that have a ps3 with a sound system that supports dts-hd-ma i feel like would want bd-live, home, and great games more than imporved audio.

no i think you got to kidding me, first of all im one of those ps3 owners you talk about and i NEED dts-hd, before i didnt care about it now i do, you wanna now why? cause almost all of the movies i have are in that format and i hate having that option there knowing i cant use it i like bd live to, so whats wrong with them giving us both?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

dts hd ma not coming for a while. while dts-hd-ma would be nice, only less than 5% of ps3 owners probably have the equipment to pass dts-hd-ma.

sony needs to get its butt together with things like in game xmb access, home, 1st party software, bd-live, hell the majority of people would enjoy more vizulations on the music player more than dts-hd-ma support. after they are done with that then we can talk about decoding more hd audio codecs, but i don't think its coming any time soon.

to 95% of the ppl out there dts-hd-ma support for the ps3 is worthless.

Anyone with equipment to currently be listening to the PCM tracks through HDMI on the PS3 will also be able to take advantage of dts-ma decoding, and I know lots of people waiting for it.

[ronjones]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

They say that the PS3 lacks some kind of hardware to bitstream DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD. I don't know who "they" is and it has neither been officially confirmed or denied by Sony.

The PS3 uses the SiL9132 HDMI transmitter chip (and the SiL9133 HDMI receiver chip) while the standalone BD players with HDMI v1.3 use the later SiL9134 HDMI trasnmitter chip. There is some long standing documentation from the chip manufacturer, Silicon Image, that the HDMI transmitter chip used in the PS3 does not support bitstreaming of the advanced audio formats. Myself and others have posted this info on the AVS Forum. Below is one statement from a Silicon Image press release from 3 months before the the first PS3s went on sale. Note the final sentence of this paragraph:

“Sony has indicated that the PlayStation 3 is expected to ship in November of this year with the ability to render the highest-quality video ever seen in a consumer device,” said Dale Zimmerman, vice president of marketing at Silicon Image. “The SiI 9133 receiver matches the capabilities of the PlayStation 3 and makes it possible for HDTV manufacturers to ship products this year that are capable of displaying Deep Color images, for the highest-quality gaming experience and fullest enjoyment of high-definition movies. The SiI 9134 brings these same benefits to next generation DVD players, with additional support for the latest high-quality audio formats, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.”

The full press release is posted here: http://www.siliconimage.com/news/pre...se.aspx?id=384

There has also been a recent email exchange as well as a phone conversation with an engineer at Silicon Image that has been posted on the AVS Forum that confirms that the SiL9132 cannot support bitstreaming of Dolby TruHD nor DTS HD-MA.

Thus internal decoding with output via LPCM is really the only option that Sony has for the PS3 when adding support for DTS HD-MA. The PS3 will need a software DTS HD-MA decoder while the standalone players can be expected to use a hardware decoder chip. There has been an unconfirmed report that DTS has been working with Sony to develop the needed software decoder. I do believe it is likely we will see an PS3 firmware update that adds DTS HD-MA docoding within the next 6 months but I wouldn't bet on the next 30 days.

Ron Jones
www.dtvmax.com

[kitkat99]

Well i spent time hooking up my costco samsung blu ray that im going to return, this sys allows bit stream pass through, Playing on my onkyo 805 with rush hour 3 in 7.1 dts hd ma sounde good. i got all 7 channels. the ps3 is not capable of sending 7.1 ch on pcm, only 5.1 sorry. Sounded much better with the samsung than from ps3. I only hope that ps3 has some kind of update to allow bitstream pass thorugh, only then will we get true 7.1.

[frenchglen]

Originally Posted by ronjones

The PS3 uses the SiL9132 HDMI transmitter chip (and the SiL9133 HDMI receiver chip) while the standalone BD players with HDMI v1.3 use the later SiL9134 HDMI trasnmitter chip. There is some long standing documentation from the chip manufacturer, Silicon Image, that the HDMI transmitter chip used in the PS3 does not support bitstreaming of the advanced audio formats. Myself and others have posted this info on the AVS Forum. Below is one statement from a Silicon Image press release from 3 months before the the first PS3s went on sale. Note the final sentence of this paragraph:

“Sony has indicated that the PlayStation 3 is expected to ship in November of this year with the ability to render the highest-quality video ever seen in a consumer device,” said Dale Zimmerman, vice president of marketing at Silicon Image. “The SiI 9133 receiver matches the capabilities of the PlayStation 3 and makes it possible for HDTV manufacturers to ship products this year that are capable of displaying Deep Color images, for the highest-quality gaming experience and fullest enjoyment of high-definition movies. The SiI 9134 brings these same benefits to next generation DVD players, with additional support for the latest high-quality audio formats, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.”

The full press release is posted here: http://www.siliconimage.com/news/pre...se.aspx?id=384

There has also been a recent email exchange as well as a phone conversation with an engineer at Silicon Image that has been posted on the AVS Forum that confirms that the SiL9132 cannot support bitstreaming of Dolby TruHD nor DTS HD-MA.

Thus internal decoding with output via LPCM is really the only option that Sony has for the PS3 when adding support for DTS HD-MA.

Ron Jones

Thanks very much for that insight.

Well there you go folks, maybe later versions of PS3s will have a chip for bitstreaming, but for all the millions of us who already have it, decoding is the way to go and it is a simple matter of Sony updating the firmware and adding the software decoders in.

I reckon that it will come in after the first standalone player comes to market with it. At least one has been announced at CES so fingers crossed.

[frenchglen]

Welcome to br.com by the way Ron!

[sj001]

Originally Posted by jkwest

I was wondering the same thing....our own guys got to sit down with the fellas from Dolby just yesterday, and, still, we get nothing...boohoo..I am so very sad.

You guys are suppose to be our eyes, ears and mouths there!!!

That was Dolby though, the PS3 already decodes Dolby TrueHD, we are talking about DTS... unless I'm missing something.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by ronjones

The PS3 uses the SiL9132 HDMI transmitter chip (and the SiL9133 HDMI receiver chip) while the standalone BD players with HDMI v1.3 use the later SiL9134 HDMI trasnmitter chip. There is some long standing documentation from the chip manufacturer, Silicon Image, that the HDMI transmitter chip used in the PS3 does not support bitstreaming of the advanced audio formats. Myself and others have posted this info on the AVS Forum. Below is one statement from a Silicon Image press release from 3 months before the the first PS3s went on sale. Note the final sentence of this paragraph:

“Sony has indicated that the PlayStation 3 is expected to ship in November of this year with the ability to render the highest-quality video ever seen in a consumer device,” said Dale Zimmerman, vice president of marketing at Silicon Image. “The SiI 9133 receiver matches the capabilities of the PlayStation 3 and makes it possible for HDTV manufacturers to ship products this year that are capable of displaying Deep Color images, for the highest-quality gaming experience and fullest enjoyment of high-definition movies. The SiI 9134 brings these same benefits to next generation DVD players, with additional support for the latest high-quality audio formats, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio.”

The full press release is posted here: http://www.siliconimage.com/news/pre...se.aspx?id=384

There has also been a recent email exchange as well as a phone conversation with an engineer at Silicon Image that has been posted on the AVS Forum that confirms that the SiL9132 cannot support bitstreaming of Dolby TruHD nor DTS HD-MA.

Thus internal decoding with output via LPCM is really the only option that Sony has for the PS3 when adding support for DTS HD-MA. The PS3 will need a software DTS HD-MA decoder while the standalone players can be expected to use a hardware decoder chip. There has been an unconfirmed report that DTS has been working with Sony to develop the needed software decoder. I do believe it is likely we will see an PS3 firmware update that adds DTS HD-MA docoding within the next 6 months but I wouldn't bet on the next 30 days.

Ron Jones
www.dtvmax.com

Ron, thanks for sharing that info.

I really don't care about bitstreaming the audio, I was resigned to internal decoding of DTS-MA a while back, it's just tough waiting for it when so many movies have the lossless track, and you can only play the DTS track.

[JTStarkiller]

Can anyone point me to a quick distinction between all the audio formats? I don't have a surround system, and DTS-HD MA, PCM, Dolby TrueHD, etc. have me a bit confused.

By the sound of it, DTS-HD MA is the only uncompressed audio, but the back of my Pirates discs say English 5.1 Uncompressed. What's the difference?