Patton and The Longest Day

[JRS03]

What is your position on these discs? I personally think they are two of the best looking Blu's (for older titles) out there. Bill Hunt over at the bits cant seem to stand them. He had an article today on the 'education" of the videophile and why he does not like these dics. That entry no longer seems to be on his site (as it was a few hours ago). I also can no longer find the reviews for each of these dics in the review section on his site. I just wanted to know what the general consensus is here at Blu Ray.com with regards to these discs.

Do we need to be educated? Or are my eyes deceiving me? On my 73" Mitsubishi they look great.

What says you?

[Beta Man]

many refer to the fact that DNR exists on these...... Patton looks great in my opinion as does the Longest Day... but I would prefer to have it with the grain left in tact.... but I enjoy watching them nonetheless, so that's my stance.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

many refer to the fact that DNR exists on these...... Patton looks great in my opinion as does the Longest Day... but I would prefer to have it with the grain left in tact.... but I enjoy watching them nonetheless, so that's my stance.

I agree with your position. The dics make for a good watch.

[cvm]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

many refer to the fact that DNR exists on these...... Patton looks great in my opinion as does the Longest Day... but I would prefer to have it with the grain left in tact.... but I enjoy watching them nonetheless, so that's my stance.

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

I agree with your position. The dics make for a good watch.

Indeed I agree. Patton is a great movie.

[bhayden25]

I have seen Patton on VHS, DVD and now Blu-Ray an i can easily say that i have never seen Patton look this good. You would never guess that it's over 30yrs old

[AKORIS]

this is and endless debate-- I can see what some of the DNR haters are talking about-- there is a softness to the clarity of detail if it's applied too heavy-- I noticed it on DARK CITY a few times--

but the funny thing is I have PATTON-- I got close to the screen and was really trying to study this "atrocious transfer" that people were talking about--I was looking for a waxy George C. Scott on my 52" Bravia ........and I
just couldn't see it! The picture was outstanding to me-- the best I've ever
seen this title. If DNR provides a picture like this then that's fine with me--
I view it the same way as a "remaster"--- you're still cleaning up a print and making it cleaner. Before I get hatebombs-- I know there's a difference-- I
just don't "see" the controversy on PATTON....

I also think that PAN'S LABYRINTH looks fantastic-- another DNR applied title...

[#Darren]

A large amount of detail was lost because of the heavy DNR - end of story.

[JRS03]

Ok so what the deal with DNR? Making the image too soft? Losing the sharpness or detail? Ok....so whats everyone's beef with DNR? To me it looks like these films were shot digitally yesterday. Is it just a taste preference? Is it because there was grain in the film when they shot it a million years ago? Im just trying to understand all sides of this issue. Beta "why" would you prefer to have the grain left intact?

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by JRS03

Ok so what the deal with DNR? Making the image too soft? Losing the sharpness or detail? Ok....so whats everyone's beef with DNR? To me it looks like these films were shot digitally yesterday. Is it just a taste preference? Is it because there was grain in the film when they shot it a million years ago? Im just trying to understand all sides of this issue. Beta "why" would you prefer to have the grain left intact?

I prefer to have the grain in tact because you can't remove it all without removing some of the detail..... I also like to see the movie the way it was seen originally (with the grain)

The fact that there would be grain in these isn't because they were shot a million years ago..... it's because they were shot on film.... if you shoot these tomorrow, with new film cameras, there will be grain... Grain occurs because of the process used to develop the film (chemical reaction) anyways.... I don't find grain distracting.... it's really more of an "authentic" feel to me....

And this whole "Grain or no grain" thing came about, not because Blu-rays are all of a sudden refusing to remove/reduce it......

it's because with Standard definition, there wasn't enough resolution to be able to see the grain to begin with (it was always there.... you just didn't know it)

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

many refer to the fact that DNR exists on these...... Patton looks great in my opinion as does the Longest Day... but I would prefer to have it with the grain left in tact.... but I enjoy watching them nonetheless, so that's my stance.

i think patton looked ok.
bill hunt talks about to much dnr shows up badly on large screens 100''and up.
on smaller screens patton looks fine.

hunt does say as of this morning the studios are working towards backing off of dnr without losing detail[older titles].keep in mind the nature of film has grain.you will never get that clean look with film.if a movie is done in hd,start to finish[no film] now your talking something diffrent.with film you can't get a grain free look without losing detail.we should get some great looking bds in the coming year and imo dnr will be a non-issue.

[Clark Kent]

The real problem with these two titles is that the Blu-rays look nothing like what the original films looked like at the time of their theatrical release. The studio involved has basically admitted they removed too much grain from the image on these titles, but the current economics of Blu-ray prevent a new and immediate re-release.

I would expect to see better editions down the line in a few years that more closely mirror the original film negatives.

[JRS03]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

The real problem with these two titles is that the Blu-rays look nothing like what the original films looked like at the time of their theatrical release. The studio involved has basically admitted they removed too much grain from the image on these titles, but the current economics of Blu-ray prevent a new and immediate re-release.

I would expect to see better editions down the line in a few years that more closely mirror the original film negatives.

Ok then why are the majority of the review sites loving the PQ? Or are there only a few experts out there? Not trying to inflame just throwing that out there.

Anyway you all can discuss...I got the info I was looking for. It comes down to personal preference, there is no right presentation or wrong presntation. Some want what "they think" the films looked like in the theater and some like technology to push the envelope with getting rid of almost all grain.

[aramis109]

There's a great article by Bill over at the Digital Bits found here: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#afewwords

If there's anything that's going to sum up the issue well, it's that article. I highly suggest giving it a read.