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Old 09-17-2015, 01:50 AM   #21
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I don't care about your European friends. You love generalising, and I find it offensive. I worked in the Cinema Store in London (selling dvds and lazers in their notorious basement (IMPORTS) I also worked next door in their region 2 dept), when I was 20 something years old. I did that for years. I'm now 39. I had a shop and web-site selling dvds for 4 years, here in France (specialising in imports). You gonna continue judging me?

More importantly, you also said the disc is unwatchable. That's a flat out lie.
I have said this before, but it was deleted. I say it again. I give up.

I said I personally found the disc "unwatchable" due to PAL-speedup. That's my opinion, not a lie. I did not mean to judge you, but I honestly cannot tell if you are saying that you do or do not notice the 4% speedup. Either way, it doesn't seem to bother you, which is fine. That's your opinion of it.

Please notice that I have made every effort to say everything as politely as possible and I have never made a single negative personal comment about you.

I have nothing to add beyond what I have said.

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Old 09-17-2015, 03:37 AM   #22
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I'm continually amazed by how many French BDs have PAL-speedup/are 25 fps. I avoided buying PETER'S FRIENDS because it's sped up, and also avoided FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS. I made the mistake of buying the French RUSSIA HOUSE, which is sped up. Luckily the German RUSSIA HOUSE is the correct speed, so I dumped the awful French disc, where everyone seemed to be on cocaine. And those just happen to be the ones I've encountered. I only own maybe five or six other French BDs, so that's a HUGE percentage that are sped up.
It's not surprising to me, really, considering the French are using old 25/PAL masters just like US studios use their old masters.
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Old 09-17-2015, 04:45 AM   #23
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It's not surprising to me, really, considering the French are using old 25/PAL masters just like US studios use their old masters.
Very good point, I hadn't thought of that! A huge number of American BDs are recycling fuzzy old HD masters from the DVD era, we're just lucky that they're still at 24fps, so they're better suited to BD.
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Old 09-17-2015, 04:46 AM   #24
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Does anyone know how to merge this thread into the existing thread? Very confusing that we have two going at once, but I think whoever started the new one didn't know the lengthy old one existed, which is entirely understandable.
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Multiple European friends of mine have said they don't notice PAL-speedup because they've seen movies that way all their lives.
Noticing and being bothered by are 2 completely different things.
Let's say it like this : I can spot a PAL-speed up disc like Cronenberg's Pathé whle watching it just at the tone of its opening logo, because of the wrong pitch.

Does that mean it's unwatachable ? Certainly not. It's actually the same masters other lables have used in other countries, but in 1080i50. There is no other differences.

The same goes for FVK, and even more Day for Night (because the HD master is better for the Truffaut).

You're highly generalising and like Alex wrote, it's very hurting to your arguments against 1080i50 BDs.
However, like Bates said, many of the European 1080i50 are linked to indeed using old masters made at PAL speed. However, note that there are also more recent movies encoded at 25fps simply because it allows handling only 1 HD master rather than 2 (24fps and 25fps).
Since the US are 24/23.976 fps due to NTSC, that's not a problem.
We can thanks 50 Hz I guess...



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Old 09-17-2015, 06:39 AM   #26
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The same goes for FVK, and even more Day for Night (because the HD master is better for the Truffaut).

You're highly generalising and like Alex wrote, it's very hurting to your arguments against 1080i50 BDs.
However, like Bates said, many of the European 1080i50 are linked to indeed using old masters made at PAL speed. However, note that there are also more recent movies encoded at 25fps simply because it allows handling only 1 HD master rather than 2 (24fps and 25fps).
Since the US are 24/23.976 fps due to NTSC, that's not a problem.
We can thanks 50 Hz I guess...



Alex, what's your store named ?
Luckily there's now a 24fps DAY FOR NIGHT Blu-Ray in the US from Criterion now. I really hope FVK gets revisited somewhere too at 24fps.

I definitely understand it's cheaper to produce a single 25fps HD master for use on BD, DVD and overseas TV, that's entirely what I object to, especially fro a major studio like Warner Brothers here, which should know better.
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Old 09-17-2015, 08:33 AM   #27
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Noticing and being bothered by are 2 completely different things.
Let's say it like this : I can spot a PAL-speed up disc like Cronenberg's Pathé whle watching it just at the tone of its opening logo, because of the wrong pitch.

Does that mean it's unwatachable ? Certainly not. It's actually the same masters other lables have used in other countries, but in 1080i50. There is no other differences.

The same goes for FVK, and even more Day for Night (because the HD master is better for the Truffaut).

You're highly generalising and like Alex wrote, it's very hurting to your arguments against 1080i50 BDs.
However, like Bates said, many of the European 1080i50 are linked to indeed using old masters made at PAL speed. However, note that there are also more recent movies encoded at 25fps simply because it allows handling only 1 HD master rather than 2 (24fps and 25fps).
Since the US are 24/23.976 fps due to NTSC, that's not a problem.
We can thanks 50 Hz I guess...



Alex, what's your store named ?
I co-owned La Petite Boutique du Cinéma in Besançon between 2004 and 2008.
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Old 09-17-2015, 10:08 AM   #28
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I definitely understand it's cheaper to produce a single 25fps HD master for use on BD, DVD and overseas TV, that's entirely what I object to, especially from a major studio like Warner Brothers here, which should know better.
Oh, I definitely agree with you on that. It's a cheap trick that many small companies manage to avoid, so I don't know what some European labels keeps on doing it. It's the wrong speed, usually the wrong pitch too. It's not a proof of technical credibility from a label, that's for sure.
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Old 09-17-2015, 08:47 PM   #29
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Getting back to the big issue, has anyone checked out this new release or heard any reviews?
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Old 09-17-2015, 09:11 PM   #30
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Getting back to the big issue, has anyone checked out this new release or heard any reviews?
Exactly! That's the key question. Is this just a reissue of the old disc, as seems likely? In that case this thread should be merged into the existing one.

Or is this by some miracle a new, proper 1080p release? In which case I'll immediately order it.
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I have had confirmation from someone on amazon.fr that this has forced french subs.
Such a shame
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I have had confirmation from someone on amazon.fr that this has forced french subs.
Such a shame
must be the old disc repackaged, as seemed likely.
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Apparently the spanish release does not have the same hard sub issue. The reviews on the Amazon page are positive too.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Fe...lu-ray/143963/

*edit, it is a BDR (at least according to amazon sp, the UK site reviews are all positive)and even if it does not have the forced sub issue it is still probably not a good buy.

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Re this issue of hard subtitles. I thought I was stuck with some movies until my new Blu Ray player which asks me what position I'd like them in, so I've been able to move them down and off the screen. Give it a go.
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And I think the transfer looks wonderful!
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Hi to all,
if anyone is interested, the new spain edition by Reino of "The Fearless Vampire Killers"
is good with not forced subtitles and most important is a "pressed disc" not a bootleg bd-r how the before version, rear cover says zone ABC.

Is a 1080ì with 4% Pal speedup, but is a good update for DVD

Review here:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film6/blu-r...rs_blu-ray.htm

Amazon:
https://www.amazon.es/Vampiros-Fearl...e+los+vampiros
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Doesn't make it less of a Bootleg, though...
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Doesn't make it less of a Bootleg, though...
ok is 1080i/25fps, but for me is the best version available until now.

Extra are the same of R1 DVD :
Trailer
Vampires 101 Promo featurette

plus the Animation Intro

No bluray 1080p 24fps on the market,
and who will release ? I hope Criterion
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This seems right up Arrow's alley, but I'm not sure about their past relationship with Warner titles.

Doesn't the french blu have a new interview with Polanski?
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This seems right up Arrow's alley, but I'm not sure about their past relationship with Warner titles.

Doesn't the french blu have a new interview with Polanski?
yes, the french blu have the interview, this spanish all extra of US dvd + animation
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