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Old 01-03-2018, 08:16 PM   #61
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And since they lack HDMI 2.1, none of LG's 2018 OLED sets can handle HFR from external devices like 4K Blu-ray players, just via streaming or over-the-air broadcasts.
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That, uncertainty about ATSC 3.0 support, and hope for a 3d model in the future, will all make me delay before upgrading my OLED65E6P.

Hopefully by then can also afford a 77" or larger model.

ATSC 3.0 may dog all the manufacturers that don't have a solution announced once the average person knows about it.

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Old 01-03-2018, 10:19 PM   #62
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I am simply holding out for a DV capable player hopefully from Sony. TV update next month and now rumor is AVR update got moved up from summer to March. I may even wait it out a bit until they go on sale depending on launch price. Got Best Buy store credit just sitting in wait from the $500 price drop on my TV during the holidays, managed to only blow through half lol.

Also selfishly hoping the 930F, or whatever it may be, is not too much more awesome then the 930E.
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Old 01-03-2018, 10:45 PM   #63
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Hisense Brings Amazon Alexa to Select 2018 4K TV Models – CES 2018

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Hisense today announced that it is bringing Amazon Alexa support over to some of its 2018 4K Smart TV models. Hisense is expected to announce its 2018 lineup of TV’s at CES next week in Las Vegas. While we don’t know which models will get Alexa support just yet, we do know that the Hisense 100-inch 4K Ultra HD Smart Laser TV is gaining support. The Laser TV was announced late last year, and has been a very popular product for the company.
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:06 PM   #64
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And since they lack HDMI 2.1, none of LG's 2018 OLED sets can handle HFR from external devices like 4K Blu-ray players, just via streaming or over-the-air broadcasts.
That, uncertainty about ATSC 3.0 support, and hope for a 3d model in the future, will all make me delay before upgrading my OLED65E6P.

Hopefully by then can also afford a 77" or larger model.

ATSC 3.0 may dog all the manufacturers that don't have a solution announced once the average person knows about it.
Just to clarify, what are we meaning here by HFR? HDMI 2.0a/b can do 2160p60 which is still rarely used beyond console gaming (not including interlaced video upscales performed by the user on their equipment), let alone anything higher.

I think we're way too early for anything higher yet, it just gets added into the HDMI2.1 specs for future proofing. I've got a feeling the PC market will be the one that eventually pushes HFR and variable refresh rates forward more rather than the TV market. There's just not the push with 24p still being by far the dominant frame rate for movies.
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Old 01-03-2018, 11:50 PM   #65
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Historically CES's main category has been the launch of the next generation of TVs and video display technology. This year we'll see a lot of new company start-up launches, IoT product advancements and Smart home control systems and integration. However, CES will continue its well respected main focus of the advancement of TV and video display technology.

In advance of CES 2018 I thought it would be fun and interesting to discuss what we can we expect from the three premium manufacturers. Here's my thoughts and wishes for the 2018 TV line-up.

LG OLED wish list:
  • W8 series with just a connection box with no audio. ATSC 3.0 and Smart apps would be nice.
  • C8 series in larger screen sizes, like 77" Confirmed 1/2/18 5pm EST
  • Some if not all of the HDMI 2.1 features and hopefully the full 48Gbps 120fps and eARC Confirmed 1/2/18 5pm EST
  • More coverage of the rec.2020 color gamut Still waiting for confirmation
  • Higher peak luminance Still waiting for confirmation

Sony LCD/LED and OLED wish list:
  • A1F in 55", 65" and 77" without the easel stand Still waiting for confirmation
  • Successor to the Z9D, likely named Z9F Still waiting for confirmation
  • Larger screen sizes for all of the XBR premium LCD/LED series, like 85" and up Still waiting for confirmation
  • Ditto on many of the items listed above for LG

Samsung QLED wish list:
  • Full array local dimming on the "Q" series Likely yes, but still waiting for confirmation

For all bleeding edge display technologies, e.g. OLED, QLED and the best FALD LED displays I'd like to see the SRP launch prices to continue to move lower for the 2018 model year. Likely yes, but still waiting for confirmation

CES has always been very exciting for me as it's when we get to see all of the new TVs that will be evaluated and compared butt-to-butt at my TV Shootout event.

What's your thoughts for the 2018 TV market and my comments?
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:07 AM   #66
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Just to clarify, what are we meaning here by HFR? HDMI 2.0a/b can do 2160p60 which is still rarely used beyond console gaming (not including interlaced video upscales performed by the user on their equipment), let alone anything higher.

I think we're way too early for anything higher yet, it just gets added into the HDMI2.1 specs for future proofing. I've got a feeling the PC market will be the one that eventually pushes HFR and variable refresh rates forward more rather than the TV market. There's just not the push with 24p still being by far the dominant frame rate for movies.
TBH I hope HFR will never take off for movie content. Sometimes things are best left alone and I think the 24p framerate is definitely one of them.
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So... 3D stays dead.
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Old 01-04-2018, 05:08 AM   #69
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So... 3D stays dead.
For the time being...

If you go back and read threads in the last 7 days, the 8K thread discusses the roadmap of some manufacturers, and 3-D glasses-less tech will come to fruition with 8K/ 4k per side. Just a matter of waiting out the next hardware improvements.

Maybe 2020 or 2022.
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Just to clarify, what are we meaning here by HFR? HDMI 2.0a/b can do 2160p60 which is still rarely used beyond console gaming (not including interlaced video upscales performed by the user on their equipment), let alone anything higher.

I think we're way too early for anything higher yet, it just gets added into the HDMI2.1 specs for future proofing. I've got a feeling the PC market will be the one that eventually pushes HFR and variable refresh rates forward more rather than the TV market. There's just not the push with 24p still being by far the dominant frame rate for movies.
Since the LG sets support some 2.1 features such as 120hfr, it would be nice if the sets could do so from an external source. Just as future proofing. Its not clear to me if the sets already do eARC which is in 2.1 spec. Since 2017 they advertise Dolby Atmos.
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Any new info on hdr10+ and HDMI 2.1?
I may upgrade my LCD tv this year (if Samsung brings QLED fald to the lineup)
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I will lose my mind if there will be a Z9F that also still has 3D.
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There are glasses free 3D prototypes at CES 2018, but no 3D in the TV lineups. The 3d filters have a negative impact on hdr capabilities, that's why they were really removed, especially on oled tvs.
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There are glasses free 3D prototypes at CES 2018, but no 3D in the TV lineups. The 3d filters have a negative impact on hdr capabilities, that's why they were really removed, especially on oled tvs.
I've heard that somewhere before. I was just hoping that maybe they've reached a point where OLED brightness was high enough to accommodate 3D again.
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I've heard that somewhere before. I was just hoping that maybe they've reached a point where OLED brightness was high enough to accommodate 3D again.
The person who opened the LG petition to reintroduce 3d talked to LG and got a response that it did not seriously effect OLED brightness. From that report watching 3d does lower brightness, but does not effect 2d HDR viewing.
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Transition from traditional wire solutions to optical for HDMI 2.1

Fibbr to Launch 8K/HDR-Ready Optical HDMI Cable - Sound & Vision



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Here for today and ready for tomorrow” is how China-based Fibbr is positioning the imminent launch of Ultra 8K, a “plug-and-play” 8K/HDR-ready fiber-optic HDMI cable said to support transmission speeds up to 56 gigabits per second (Gbps) over distances up to 164 feet (50 meters).
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Any new info on hdr10+ and HDMI 2.1?
I may upgrade my LCD tv this year (if Samsung brings QLED fald to the lineup)
No 2018 tv will have hdmi 2.1. The specification was finished too late last year so now gotta wait till at least 2019
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Some elements that were spec'd for HDMI 2.1 will be on a few 2018 TVs.

eARC and a few other image enhancements will be employed on 2018 TVs with HDMI 2.0b chipsets.
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