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Old 02-05-2018, 08:52 PM   #1361
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The BBFC last passed this uncut as recently as 2006, way after it became common knowledge about NK's age, way after IMDB, etc.

If someone, faced with the evidence, decided to plead guilty, they'd end up on a register and their life probably ruined.

If they went to court and argued that they thought the maths about her age must have been wrong, otherwise Warner wouldn't have re-submitted it, or the BBFC approved it, I doubt they'd be found guilty, and even if they were, I doubt the judge would apply anything but the lightest sentence s/he were allowed, which would probably be not much more (and potentially less) than the deal offered.

In that situation, I imagine it'd be wise to plead no guilty.

It's difficult to know how hard a prosecution could go on. There's an image and the accused admits to having it. The defence would have a field day.

Are the CPS prosecuting Hammer? If not, why not?

Are the CPD prosecuting Warner? If not, why not?

Or the BBFC (passing the film must surely amount to aiding and abetting)? If not, why not?

Or Amazon? If not, why not?

Or HMV? If not, why not?

How was the defendant supposed to know more than the film studios, and the BBFC, whose job it is to spot this sort of thing?

I imagine the BBFC by 2006 did indeed know about her age, and had a reason for passing it anyway. They'd doubtless be called to say why.

I don't think any prosecution would have a cat in hell's chance, but as has been said, who knows.

I believe that judge would almost certainly mark this down as 'exceptional circumstances', as in this quite bizarre case:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-fife-39305042
I would also love to hear the answers to these questions. I don't understand why this would be legal either in the UK or the US. Seems like it's just that the film's too crappy and low-profile. It's far less egregious than "Candle for the Devil," though.
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Old 02-05-2018, 08:56 PM   #1362
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I would also love to hear the answers to these questions. I don't understand why this would be legal either in the UK or the US. Seems like it's just that the film's too crappy and low-profile. It's far less egregious than "Candle for the Devil," though.
I think I already answered this earlier.
I would expect because the nudity is not sexualised they let it go in the same way that the controversial scene of a very young boy naked was finally cleared from "In the Realm of the Senses" which had previously been reframed to remove the offending moment.
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Old 02-05-2018, 10:24 PM   #1363
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I think I already answered this earlier.
I would expect because the nudity is not sexualised they let it go in the same way that the controversial scene of a very young boy naked was finally cleared from "In the Realm of the Senses" which had previously been reframed to remove the offending moment.
Yeah, I get the "not sexualised" rule. What I don't get is how they decided these two films weren't. TTDAD features a demon crawling up a child's cooter in order to reproduce (if I remember it correctly - I only watched the movie once and wasn't paying the closest attention) and the latter is someone looking at naked children and getting aroused. Considering pictures of naked kids by themselves get you thrown in the slammer and permanently on a criminal watchlist in this country, I don't get it! Ah well. I shouldn't question it too much since I own both and don't want to go to the slammer. :P

I am kind of split on getting the blu-ray of TTDAD. I plan on getting that German set, and I just don't know if I can justify buying TTDAD by itself!! If those Aussies release all 8 in a set before I get around to buying the German one, I guess that would solve this for me.
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Old 02-05-2018, 11:54 PM   #1364
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Yeah, I get the "not sexualised" rule. What I don't get is how they decided these two films weren't. TTDAD features a demon crawling up a child's cooter in order to reproduce (if I remember it correctly - I only watched the movie once and wasn't paying the closest attention) and the latter is someone looking at naked children and getting aroused. Considering pictures of naked kids by themselves get you thrown in the slammer and permanently on a criminal watchlist in this country, I don't get it! Ah well. I shouldn't question it too much since I own both and don't want to go to the slammer. :P

I am kind of split on getting the blu-ray of TTDAD. I plan on getting that German set, and I just don't know if I can justify buying TTDAD by itself!! If those Aussies release all 8 in a set before I get around to buying the German one, I guess that would solve this for me.
I've not seen In the Realm of the Senses but from what I've read the scene that was censored was a female innocently playing with a young boy- there is no arousal element otherwise the BBFC would not have allowed the sequence to play uncut after so long.

Most Studio Canal discs are the same Europe wide so it was a bit disappointing to find German menus on the Hammer films. Had the Menus been English I would have kept it
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Old 02-06-2018, 06:45 AM   #1365
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I've not seen In the Realm of the Senses but from what I've read the scene that was censored was a female innocently playing with a young boy- there is no arousal element otherwise the BBFC would not have allowed the sequence to play uncut after so long.
The issue with SENSES is that she tweaks the boys penis and he cries.
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Old 02-06-2018, 09:49 PM   #1366
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The issue with SENSES is that she tweaks the boys penis and he cries.
Playfully from what I've heard, which is why the scene is now intact in the UK
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Old 02-06-2018, 10:46 PM   #1367
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Most Studio Canal discs are the same Europe wide so it was a bit disappointing to find German menus on the Hammer films. Had the Menus been English I would have kept it
Huh. The menus are really only play/chapters/subtitles though, right? Or is there more to it? I could deal with it if all I'm going to do is choose play or maybe chapter numbers, I think.
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Old 02-06-2018, 10:51 PM   #1368
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playfully from what i've heard, which is why the scene is now intact in the uk


wtf!?
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Old 02-06-2018, 10:59 PM   #1369
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Well, it's set in 1936 and they didn't have television in those days and had to make their own amusement.
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wtf!?
Like someone giving you a "playful" pinch on the arm. I think that's what he's getting at.
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Huh. The menus are really only play/chapters/subtitles though, right? Or is there more to it? I could deal with it if all I'm going to do is choose play or maybe chapter numbers, I think.
Yes, they are very simple to navigate but just a bit of a disappointment when I was expecting English
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wtf!?
Call the BBFC if you require a more complete explanation. They're the ones who passed it
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Having finally seen this film (To the Devil a Daughter), I can confidently state that I had absolutely no problem with Kinski's nude scene, because I was much more bothered by that other scene, which I hope wasn't actually performed by Kinski herself, although it looked like it may have indeed been her, which is pretty revolting. I agree with the review of the US DVD here, that says the puppet in this movie makes the one in Eraserhead look like "profoundly humanistic and sensitive filmmaking".

However, I did think the film was actually very, very good. Lee, Kinski, Blackman, Valentine, Elliott, and even Widmark are pretty wonderful in it, and so is the rest of the cast, which has to be one of the best ever assembled in a Hammer film, and has to be the reason why the film works at all. Story-wise, the film is pretty weak, and often somewhat pointlessly disturbing, and therefore borderline exploitative, but you can really tell how Hammer were trying in earnest to craft a British response to The Exorcist, and on what must surely have been a fraction of that film's budget, I think they succeeded.

The picture quality is expectantly very good, with the vivid red of blood (amongst other things) coming through in all its glory. I think a lot of the issues raised about the sound quality in this thread probably have a lot to with the fact that so much of the film is obviously shot on and in location(s) instead of a studio soundstage. I don't think it's the fault of the DVDs or the Blu-ray, as much as it was either technical difficulties, or possibly, damage to the original elements.

The trailer was great, and the mini-documentary was nice, but now that I've finished this wave from StudioCanal, via the German box set, and now, this last Hammer film (with its ugly blue "Double Play" banner printed onto the jacket -- thanks StudioCanal UK!), I do have to say that the extras have been fairly disappointing. Aside from the fact that the documentaries are in 1080p but suffer from 25 fps conversion, the experts in the documentary generally tried to err on the positive side of everything, with only Jonathan Rigby really daring to state on more than one occasion that a particular film simply wasn't that good. Occasionally, the mini-documentaries would improve when one of the few cast members interviewed came on, like Valerie Leon or Martine Beswick, but they were few and far between. It's really a shame that the older extras and commentaries were not ported over, because so many people were interviewed in them that have since passed away.

But, I suppose in 2017/2018 we should be happy that we've gotten these eight Hammer films, gloriously remastered, with a smattering of new interviews, and with English subtitles for the films, too.
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I'm hoping these do well as I hope the remaining Studio Canal titles will get upgraded to Blu-ray...ideally Frankenstein Created Woman and The Nanny.
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Old 02-08-2018, 12:19 PM   #1376
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I'm hoping these do well as I hope the remaining Studio Canal titles will get upgraded to Blu-ray...ideally Frankenstein Created Woman and The Nanny.
Frankenstein Created Woman is already out there. IIRC it was due out some years ago and they made a Hammer Glamour type documentary to go with it and it is included on the disc in the Australian boxset but SC seemed to go in a sulk in the UK when they got complaints about the various discs they released and FCW got cancelled and the documentary was added to another title instead so it should appear at some point.

There's also an Oz disc of The Nanny but while it does give the opportunity to view it in HD the source is pretty tatty and its likely a new version would be created before any UK release
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