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Old 02-09-2018, 12:05 PM   #5261
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Maybe the way the disc is authored is causing issues with the combination of your equipment? Whichever is to blame I couldn't fathom a guess. Because you certainly should be getting a DTS-HD MA soundtrack over HDMI.
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:49 PM   #5262
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Have a Synology NAS with a media server app installed on it. I create .M3U playlist files with VUPlayer and store them in a Playlist folder on the NAS drive. When I browse this folder with the 203 I can retrieve the desired playlist file and the 203 will play the music files in the playlist.

I tried to do the same with a USB thumb drive. Created .M3U playlist files with VUPlayer and stored them in a Playlist folder on the thumb drive. Problem: When I go to the Playlist folder nothing shows up on the 203. What am I overlooking?
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:04 PM   #5263
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I started a thread over in the receivers forum but I'm wondering if it's an issue with my 203 as well.

I'm not getting any sound when sending DTS X over bitstream to my Onkyo HT-S5805. The Onkyo is not DTS X compatible but I thought it would still be able to play the HD-MA core.

The one exception is ET on UHD. If I use the disc menu to switch to DTS X Headphone and then back to normal DTS X I get HD-MA 5.1 and it sounds great. This work around doesn't work on any other disc I've tried.

Do we think it is the Oppo or the Onkyo that isn't playing ball or is it me?

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Maybe the way the disc is authored is causing issues with the combination of your equipment? Whichever is to blame I couldn't fathom a guess. Because you certainly should be getting a DTS-HD MA soundtrack over HDMI.
I am not an expert but what the poster just said above is a high probability; a combination of the audio encoding on the disc itself and the Onkyo receiver trying to get a lock-on.

It happens very rarely, and what you did; switching from one audio selection to another will get the lock-on on the audio. Another solution I found in the past when I get no audio is to shut down my pre/pro (or receiver) and back on again.

Last and not least, shut everything down and unplug the HDMI cable going from your 203 to your receiver and plug it back with a full push to both ends.
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Old 02-10-2018, 01:09 AM   #5264
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Old 02-10-2018, 01:18 PM   #5265
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yeah - i am aware of all that. i am using hdr standard for uhd hdr enabled discs. my question was - which black level setting seems to be the preference or produces the most accurate picture when in any of the modes like hdr standard?
My professional calibrator set Black Level for ISF Expert Dark and Bright to LOW. But for HDR Standard it is set to HIGH. It is the only instance where it is set to HIGH.

Dolby Vision Movie Dark and Bright have it at LOW by default and can't be changed by the user because of the dynamic metadata involved in DV. Scene by scene the "instruction" is there for your TV to display it correctly and as intended.

EDIT: If I remember correctly the reason HDR Standard was set to HIGH for Black level is because of the increase in detail with 4K in darker areas of the picture. The LOW setting would obliterate some of those details.
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Old 02-10-2018, 02:28 PM   #5266
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My professional calibrator set Black Level for ISF Expert Dark and Bright to LOW. But for HDR Standard it is set to HIGH. It is the only instance where it is set to HIGH.

Dolby Vision Movie Dark and Bright have it at LOW by default and can't be changed by the user because of the dynamic metadata involved in DV. Scene by scene the "instruction" is there for your TV to display it correctly and as intended.

EDIT: If I remember correctly the reason HDR Standard was set to HIGH for Black level is because of the increase in detail with 4K in darker areas of the picture. The LOW setting would obliterate some of those details.
well this is interesting. another poster said black level low is proper setting in hdr standard mode. but what you are saying about high black level in hdr mode only makes sense.

heres what i see when switching between low and high in hdr standard mode:

1. low mode - the picture looks better/pops more. but anything in dark shadows looks black. example: assassins creed movie - most faces are indistinguishable. all faces are super dark. but rest of picture looks better. but i am losing most shadow detail.

2. high black level mode - faces arent as dark. can see more in shadows. but rest of picture looks a little too bright. picture doesnt pop well.

wish there was a way tomfix to get a little of both - not happy with either one.

anyone else have any opinions/tips?
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Old 02-10-2018, 02:43 PM   #5267
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Black Level on High is meant to be used when the input is at Full Range/PC Levels. It's definitely wrong for HDR from the Oppo because in HDR mode it always outputs video levels, regardless of the color space setting.
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Old 02-10-2018, 02:49 PM   #5268
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well this is interesting. another poster said black level low is proper setting in hdr standard mode. but what you are saying about high black level in hdr mode only makes sense.

heres what i see when switching between low and high in hdr standard mode:

1. low mode - the picture looks better/pops more. but anything in dark shadows looks black. example: assassins creed movie - most faces are indistinguishable. all faces are super dark. but rest of picture looks better. but i am losing most shadow detail.

2. high black level mode - faces arent as dark. can see more in shadows. but rest of picture looks a little too bright. picture doesnt pop well.
On my panel, I only get the loss of detail in shadows/dark areas when trying LOW setting and all those details are then returned when using HIGH setting. I just tried it. I don't get too bright a picture overall on HIGH. Everything looks just right to my eyes. There's plenty of "pop" and it's more detailed. LOW just makes everything too dark overall and some of the 4k detail is being lost.

Has your panel been calibrated at all? The first thing my calibrator did was test my panel for errors "out of the box" and then correct everything from there. And there were errors. Each OLED panel is unique apparently. But, hey, at the end of the day if you prefer the look of LOW on your panel, then go with that.
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Old 02-10-2018, 02:53 PM   #5269
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It's not about 'prefer'. Low is correct, high is incorrect.
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It's definitely wrong for HDR from the Oppo because in HDR mode it always outputs video levels, regardless of the color space setting.
Interesting. I'd have to ask my calibrator that. He was the one that set it to HIGH as the correct setting and see what he says regarding the OPPO.
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It's not about 'prefer'. Low is correct, high is incorrect.
Not according to my calibrator it isn't, but I am going to email him now and find out what he says about this.
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I think you might have finished that popcorn before I get an answer lol. It is the weekend afterall.....
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Interesting. I'd have to ask my calibrator that. He was the one that set it to HIGH as the correct setting and see what he says regarding the OPPO.
I recall reading claims on AVS Forum that there were some LG sets sold that had a lot of black crush by default, maybe this is the error your calibrator mentioned (but then it doesn't make much sense that he'd set it to High only one particular mode.)

Anyway it's very easy to verify the correct setting yourself, just play an UHD disc with letterbox bars from the Oppo, in a dark room, and pause it on a dark scene, the bars should get a lot greyer when you switch the Black Level to High. If the bars remain perfectly black between Low/High then something else is screwy with your set or settings.
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I recall reading claims on AVS Forum that there were some LG sets sold that had a lot of black crush by default, maybe this is the error your calibrator mentioned (but then it doesn't make much sense that he'd set it to High only one particular mode.)

Anyway it's very easy to verify the correct setting yourself, just play an UHD disc with letterbox bars from the Oppo, in a dark room, and pause it on a dark scene, the bars should get a lot greyer when you switch the Black Level to High. If the bars remain perfectly black between Low/High then something else is screwy with your set or settings.
I just tried that. On Low, the picture becomes way too dark obliterating a lot of background info and shadow detail. Black bars are black. On High, all background information and shadow detail is restored. Black bars very slightly lighter closest to the picture area but still black with absolutely no greying. General settings on my HDR are what my calibrator put them at. 100 backlight 100 contrast Brightness 46 Colour 55. All picture processing functions like EE, Sharpness, Tru Motion etc and DC/SR all switched off. I can see clearly that High is the right mode for my Panel and has obviously been set by my calibrator for that very reason. And these settings are only for HDR. 3D and Expert Bright and Dark are different even in the general settings let alone the more detailed/expert settings.
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Old 02-10-2018, 05:29 PM   #5276
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Your brightness is probably too low. What are the lighting conditions of the room you're in?

How can pillarbox/letterbox bars be lighter but still black?
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I just tried that. On Low, the picture becomes way too dark obliterating a lot of background info and shadow detail. Black bars are black. On High, all background information and shadow detail is restored. Black bars very slightly lighter closest to the picture area but still black with absolutely no greying. General settings on my HDR are what my calibrator put them at. 100 backlight 100 contrast Brightness 46 Colour 55. All picture processing functions like EE, Sharpness, Tru Motion etc and DC/SR all switched off. I can see clearly that High is the right mode for my Panel and has obviously been set by my calibrator for that very reason. And these settings are only for HDR. 3D and Expert Bright and Dark are different even in the general settings let alone the more detailed/expert settings.
my situation is similar as i already described in a post. on low m shadows and details are obliterated. all i see is black.

on high - i get those details back - but my experience is different here - the picture looks too blown out. not happy with either.
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Your brightness is too low, your room is too bright, or your gamma is too high.
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Brightness 46
There's the key, 46 is crushing a lot. 50 with Black Level on Low is the correct baseline setting.

However I know now why your calibrator did that for the Standard mode, and it's essentially a "hack". I never bothered with the Standard and Vivid modes, but they are likely meant for daytime viewing as they are way too bright compared to the reference for viewing in a dim room. This also means they're clipping like crazy on highlights.

Despite its name, setting the Black Level to High compresses the entire range and also lowers peak white, bringing back some of those blown-out highlights, and the Brightness control can then be used dial back the blacks. Doing it this way has some side-effects though like increased saturation and changes the tone-mapping in the lower end a bit.
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Please remember the thread concerns the OPPO UDP-203.

One of you could make a LG OLED settings/calibration thread. I’m sure it would get enough posts.
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