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Old 01-12-2008, 01:58 PM   #661
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CES 2008: 10 Winners & Losers

Winner
Sony
The leading company behind the Blu-ray high-def disc almost took a victory lap here after Warner Bros. last week endorsed the format over HD DVD. As the week progressed, hundreds of publications wrote stories suggesting that HD DVD is dead. Or, almost anyway. For Sony, it could hardly have gone better.

Loser
Toshiba

And for Toshiba, it could hardly have gone worse. HD DVD's leading supporter was clearly caught off guard by the Warner endorsement and seemed wobbly during the entire show. By Thursday, some were saying that the company might throw in the towel sooner than later.

Loser
Microsoft

Likewise, as a vocal supporter of HD DVD, Microsoft is in danger of continuing its streak of betting on the wrong TV-based products. With the exception of the XBox, Microsoft seems to always be on the wrong side on TV issues (Ultimate TV, Interactive TV, WebTV, etc.)

By the end of the week, Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates seemed to be trying to convince people that the company was actually neutral in the format war. Yeah, right.

Winner
Warner Bros.

The studio is being heralded as a kingmaker for its endorsement of Blu-ray. When the history of the format war is written, its decision will be regarded as the pivotal moment in the battle.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/ceswinlose011008.htm
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Old 01-12-2008, 10:13 PM   #662
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I think its safe to say that the release date pending section over at HDD for HDDVD should be updated, none of those HBO/New Line/Warner titles will ever have dates and that cuts that list almost in half 86 now 45.
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:02 PM   #663
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now where is that "SA0CD"????? we told him, it's happening, and it is now
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:12 PM   #664
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Here is how I see it.Now, each truck hold 100 gallons of gas and take two tank fulls to get where its going. 200 gallons x $3.00/gallon x 40 tucks = $24,000 saved in gas alone by supporting just one format. Now look at the cost of multiple facilities not to mention salaries (which is about 70% of total cost).

There you have it. The extra shipping is affected by the gas prices, as well as all the money saved in labor, manufacturing etc...

I can see why it costs less to support just one format.

Granted, when discs sales start go go up, the cost of shipping will be an issue again, but they will benefit from all of the efficiencies by not having to duplicate everything in both formats.
Not quite, having worked in retail during the gas price jumps a few years ago, they're hit on the other end.

Consumers don't buy luxury items [ie, entertainment, high-def optics] when gas goes up, because well, they need the gas, regardless of how much it costs. Paired up with folks being already hesitant to invest in either High-Def optics because of the war, sales prolly slum alot more than they would have anticipated.
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Old 01-15-2008, 02:42 PM   #665
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Sorry if this has been posted/asked before, but I didn't find anything with a search (but I'm admittedly not good at searching) and I can't read 34 pages...

What is the final word on the Warner pay-off? $500 million? I know they said they weren't paid, but I was wondering if we had any other denial.

Also, a friend told me he read that Warner was going to go HD-DVD exclusive if Fox was going, but that fell through so Warner announced their exclusivity. Of course, no links were provided. But I was wondering if there were sources stating things about this I could provide to this friend?
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Old 01-15-2008, 02:44 PM   #666
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Sorry if this has been posted/asked before, but I didn't find anything with a search (but I'm admittedly not good at searching) and I can't read 34 pages...

What is the final word on the Warner pay-off? $500 million? I know they said they weren't paid, but I was wondering if we had any other denial.

Also, a friend told me he read that Warner was going to go HD-DVD exclusive if Fox was going, but that fell through so Warner announced their exclusivity. Of course, no links were provided. But I was wondering if there were sources stating things about this I could provide to this friend?
It's been internet buzz is all. Take it with a grain of salt. Could be true, could not be. But no companies were caught red handed like with the Paramount deal, so doubtful the truth will ever really come out.
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Old 01-15-2008, 03:42 PM   #667
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I saw this, but who knows what to make of any of this stuff.

http://gizmodo.com/344680/the-real-r...r-went-blu+ray
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:27 PM   #668
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I saw this, but who knows what to make of any of this stuff.

http://gizmodo.com/344680/the-real-r...r-went-blu+ray
Here is the link to the actual article
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08012/848675-96.stm
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:31 PM   #669
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:32 PM   #670
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All that matters is this thing looks to be finally over. I bought my BD Player one week before Paramount jumped ship and was pretty upset over the whole thing. So, it is a little re-affirming now that WB is on board.

Now, bring on Batman Begins!!!!
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:32 PM   #671
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There's been an answer, and by a Fox VP no less.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=32111
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Here is the link to the actual article
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08012/848675-96.stm
Klam, sorry, but I'm going to be a bit mean here: I've had it with new members coming onto the site, playing "innocent" and asking these F***ing doom & gloom questions! And wow, how incredibly gracious of you to post the link to the article that this person is intimating about. So very helpful of you. Miraculously, it's not the original article that everyone's already discussed, but a whole new one. But oops! It's referencing the FUD and slander that was originally posted by THE VERY SAME AUTHOR of the orginal article.

Simply put: this has always been a rumor; there is no logical reason why Fox would have been considering going HD DVD; the only sources of this FUD is a known HD DVD fanboy.

So why does it keep being brought up? And for the record, it's not difficult to find the thread that's already discussing this article, it's on the home page as being recently discussed. This crap is just pissing me off, and I'm getting really tired of every thread somehow being turned into a FUD-fest! Enough of this!

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There's been an answer, and by a Fox VP no less.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=32111
Thank you Elandyll. You certainly can't get a much more reliable source than that...
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Klam, sorry, but I'm going to be a bit mean here: I've had it with new members coming onto the site, playing "innocent" and asking these F***ing doom & gloom questions!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who have noticed this recent trend.
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Old 01-16-2008, 02:32 AM   #674
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Also, a friend told me he read that Warner was going to go HD-DVD exclusive if Fox was going, but that fell through so Warner announced their exclusivity. Of course, no links were provided. But I was wondering if there were sources stating things about this I could provide to this friend?
like others have posted, pure BS started by some HD DVD fanboys with hurt fealings.
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Old 01-16-2008, 04:00 PM   #675
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Klam, sorry, but I'm going to be a bit mean here: I've had it with new members coming onto the site, playing "innocent"...
I "quoted" the wrong post. I was trying to quote post 668 and respond with the article of what he was saying, that's all. That was before I read the digitalbits about FOX VP denying the pay-off.

Just because i'm a new member doesn't mean i'm a hd-dvd fanboy. Have you read any of my previous post where I spread FUD? I'm here to support HDM. I'm a fanyboy of HDM and not DD. I bought a hd-dvd player because I had little money and wanted to get into HDM. After a few weeks I realized that I made a mistake and begged my wife to let me exhange the hd-player and spend more to get a Blu player. Blu had the movies that I was interested in. I did exhange the hd-dvd for the PS3 pre WB annoucement. It was the best decision I made for my HDM experience.
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Old 01-16-2008, 04:22 PM   #676
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I "quoted" the wrong post. I was trying to quote post 668 and respond with the article of what he was saying, that's all. That was before I read the digitalbits about FOX VP denying the pay-off.

Just because i'm a new member doesn't mean i'm a hd-dvd fanboy. Have you read any of my previous post where I spread FUD? I'm here to support HDM. I'm a fanyboy of HDM and not DD. I bought a hd-dvd player because I had little money and wanted to get into HDM. After a few weeks I realized that I made a mistake and begged my wife to let me exhange the hd-player and spend more to get a Blu player. Blu had the movies that I was interested in. I did exhange the hd-dvd for the PS3 pre WB annoucement. It was the best decision I made for my HDM experience.
Sounds like a misunderstanding here.
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