Three Colors Trilogy on Blu-ray! Nov.15 - Review

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by retablo

That doesn't mean the framing is correct.

Well if that particular scene is actual framed incorrectly I guess I am saying that I prefer it that way. It's really not that big of a deal. Nobody noticed until those two pictures were shown. I honestly would not risks sending my disc all the way across the country for one scene where the microphone pops in. That's exactly what I wanted to avoid. It's quite unlikely that they would bother to do a whole new master to raise the frame an inch, but I hope i am wrong and you will be happy. Unfortunately the lord of the rings fans never got their replacement for the green tint on the fellowship: so hopefully that doesn't happen to you.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

Well if that particular scene is actual framed incorrectly I guess I am saying that I prefer it that way. It's really not that big of a deal. Nobody noticed until those two pictures were shown. I honestly would not risks sending my disc all the way across the country for one scene where the microphone pops in. That's exactly what I wanted to avoid. It's quite unlikely that they would bother to do a whole new master to raise the frame an inch, but I hope i am wrong and you will be happy. Unfortunately the lord of the rings fans never got their replacement for the green tint on the fellowship: so hopefully that doesn't happen to you.

That's because the LOTR was done that way on purpose.

And it's not just one scene, it's the whole film. And it's not just me. MK2 clearly messed up and it's on them to fix it. I'm sure if one of your favorite films was mis-framed and threw off the balance of the whole film, you'd be upset, too.



This is how the entire film is framed, from the opening credits to this scene 1:27 into the film. So yes, the ENTIRE film is presented wrong. Just because you saw one banner doesn't mean it was supposed to be in the intended framing of the shot. Clearly, judging by these framing errors throughout the film, it was not.

You seem adamant to argue about it, and counter everything I say with your opinion, but the fact remains that this is clearly an error. I've projected the film, owned the laserdisc, the DVD and now the blu-ray, and the blu-ray is simply wrong. But I'm glad you're happy with something that's just "good enough" instead of something that was done correctly.

[Fallglimmer]

Originally Posted by retablo

That's because the LOTR was done that way on purpose.

And it's not just one scene, it's the whole film. And it's not just me. MK2 clearly messed up and it's on them to fix it.

I know you are upset, but you surely have to realize that probably isn't going to happen.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by retablo

That's because the LOTR was done that way on purpose.

And it's not just one scene, it's the whole film. And it's not just me. MK2 clearly messed up and it's on them to fix it. I'm sure if one of your favorite films was mis-framed and threw off the balance of the whole film, you'd be upset, too.



This is how the entire film is framed, from the opening credits to this scene 1:27 into the film. So yes, the ENTIRE film is presented wrong. Just because you saw one banner doesn't mean it was supposed to be in the intended framing of the shot. Clearly, judging by these framing errors throughout the film, it was not.

You seem adamant to argue about it, and counter everything I say with your opinion, but the fact remains that this is clearly an error. I've projected the film, owned the laserdisc, the DVD and now the blu-ray, and the blu-ray is simply wrong. But I'm glad you're happy with something that's just "good enough" instead of something that was done correctly.

Well blue on the french flag means liberty, so I have a feeling it was supposed to be in the frame.

[georgec]

It makes you wonder how these kinds of screw ups make it through production.

There is more information on the sides and top, which is nice, but how could they neglect the bottom of the frame? There has to be a rational reason...perhaps.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

Well blue on the french flag means liberty, so I have a feeling it was supposed to be in the frame.

If it means showing microphones, then no, it wasn't.

Give me the time this scene appears and I'll check the 3 other "correct" versions I have and see if it's there.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by georgec

It makes you wonder how these kinds of screw ups make it through production.

There is more information on the sides and top, which is nice, but how could they neglect the bottom of the frame? There has to be a rational reason...perhaps.

Well there are more on the sides due to overscan, that's normal. Someone just framed the viewable area incorrectly either before or after the scan when making the master. Mistakes happen, but it needs to be fixed.

There's no rational reason for misframing an entire film so that titles aren't centered anymore and microphones pop down from the top.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by retablo

Why can't they be sold with no case? You can buy a matching blank case easy, then all you need is a print of the cover art... it's not hard to do.

I meant no legitimate resale place will buy them without a store-bought case. I suppose you could find someone to sell the disc to for a few dollars though. Again Criterion should just trust us a bit, however.

Heck, Fox sent out replacement copies of Sunshine without asking for us to send the original discs in, or even for any concrete proof we owned them at all, they trusted us. It's just good business. The few people taking advantage of the trust are outweighed by the good will engendered with the mass of other people.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by Petyr_Baelish

Do you think it's likely that they will do a completely new master for something that not everyone is going to notice?

They corrected the audio error on WHITE, which is a far less glaring error. yes, I think they'll do everything they can to fix this.

[Icemouth]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

Heck, Fox sent out replacement copies of Sunshine without asking for us to send the original discs in, or even for any concrete proof we owned them at all, they trusted us. It's just good business. The few people taking advantage of the trust are outweighed by the good will engendered with the mass of other people.

So you don't see any difference between Fox and Criterion? Interesting...

Originally Posted by James Luckard

They corrected the audio error on WHITE, which is a far less glaring error. yes, I think they'll do everything they can to fix this.

Except this is a problem with the master they used which is completely out of their hands, unlike the audio issue, so no...THEY won't do anything.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by georgec

It makes you wonder how these kinds of screw ups make it through production.

There is more information on the sides and top, which is nice, but how could they neglect the bottom of the frame? There has to be a rational reason...perhaps.

Quality control at Criterion has gone to hell since they switched to Blu-ray. The Three Colors Trilogy release was obviously rushed to capitalize on the Christmas holiday. One disc had a bad audio error and the other was misframed. I think the downturn in the DVD market has hurt them more than the larger studios.

[unclemat]

Originally Posted by Fallglimmer

I know you are upset, but you surely have to realize that probably isn't going to happen.

Congrats on attitude

If people will refuse to buy the current release (I do), they better consider redoing the transfer.

[Fallglimmer]

Originally Posted by unclemat

Congrats on attitude

If people will refuse to buy the current release (I do), they better consider redoing the transfer.

Sorry for being realistic.

The truth is the large majority either doesn't care or probably hasn't noticed there is a problem, I doubt they do a new transfer for a very small minority on the internet.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

They corrected the audio error on WHITE, which is a far less glaring error. yes, I think they'll do everything they can to fix this.

My only concern is that it's an error in the master used by both Criterion and Artificial Eye. The master was made/supplied by MK2. IF this gets remedied, (I assume) a correctly framed master will have be made, then Criterion will have to re-do any tweaks they did to the original... I'd hope it's just a matter of being able to shift the master up in the frame a bit without making a whole new scan, but I'm not well-versed in those technical things.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Fallglimmer

I know you are upset, but you surely have to realize that probably isn't going to happen.

Other films with framing issues have been fixed, so what exactly is your precedent on this one NOT being fixed? Heck, they fixed Pirates of the Caribbean and only a FEW shots were mis-framed. And since the blame falls on MK2, I assume Criterion and AE have solid legal ground to demand a correct copy, since they paid for the license in the first place and got a defective copy.

And again, I'm not the ONLY one who's upset. And given the fact that it's not just the Criterion but also the Artificial Eye discs that are mis-framed, that widens the area quite a bit.

[Fallglimmer]

meh, If I'm wrong I'm wrong. I just try not to get upset over problems that probably aren't going to be corrected or that don't have a solution.

[Clark Kent]

The only reason Criterion would recall it is the hit to their reputation and credibility if they did nothing. It's a tough call, because new transfers are not free and the Three Colors Trilogy is not selling in the millions.

[SirJaunty]

Received my copy today from the Valentine sale.
I was let down when I cracked open Blue.

Inside, the disc is labeled "Secret Sunshine".

I was a bit upset, but decided to try it out to see if it was a mislabeling.

Sure enough, Blue was mislabeled. Not a big deal.

Honestly, I kinda feel bad for Criterion in a way. So many things have gone wrong with this release, not all of them their fault.

Thought I should give a heads up to anyone before they blow a fuse.

[dwane5]

Originally Posted by SirJaunty

Received my copy today from the Valentine sale.
I was let down when I cracked open Blue.

Inside, the disc is labeled "Secret Sunshine".

I was a bit upset, but decided to try it out to see if it was a mislabeling.

Sure enough, Blue was mislabeled. Not a big deal.

Honestly, I kinda feel bad for Criterion in a way. So many things have gone wrong with this release, not all of them their fault.

Thought I should give a heads up to anyone before they blow a fuse.

just take a blue sharpie to it.

[Crimson King]

do they have copies with the corrected White discs in stores yet?