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Old 04-13-2012, 03:40 AM   #1
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Maybe I can get some informed information.

I recently received Hugo 3D/2D from the UK.

The 3D/2D is on the same disc. When I select 2D the movie plays with great detail and clarity. However the aspect ratio changes from scene to scene. The side is slightly cropped and they move in and out. Quite a bit from what I've seen. About 10%. Player and Projector had 3D turned off. Checked on my other 2D only TV, same result.

I guess this something to do with the 3D process. I have just ordered the US 2D only version to see if that is fixed.

However I will stop collecting the 3D/2D versions of movies if this is a ongoing issue.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 04-13-2012, 04:52 AM   #2
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Are you talking about floating windows? That's a 3D post-process technique to reduce window violations and allow for more comfortable viewing of negative parallax. The 3D/2D combo discs really aren't the best for 2D viewing.

http://digitalcinema.disney.com/dc3dFloatWinMov.aspx
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:00 AM   #3
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The side bars you speak of, not sure if that's something specific to that movie or your projector set up. Did you notice that same effect on another 3D movie just to test it out?

On all of my 3D movies, 18+, I've never seen this happen.

The only logical explanation, if it was in fact the movie being the source of the bars on the sides, could be post 3D editing, where they zoom in to crop the shot for the purpose of converging the 3D so it's easier to view. When that's done, depending on the 3D editor, there's a slight chance by zooming in too far, the edges eventually begin to crop and end up as black bars.

I could be way off there, it's just a theory. I don't have Hugo 3D yet, but saw it in theaters and didn't notice this.
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Old 04-13-2012, 05:07 AM   #4
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Are you talking about floating windows? That's a 3D post-process technique to reduce window violations and allow for more comfortable viewing of negative parallax. The 3D/2D combo discs really aren't the best for 2D viewing.

http://digitalcinema.disney.com/dc3dFloatWinMov.aspx
We're both on the same page with what the black bars could be, thanks for the link.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:11 AM   #5
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Maybe I can get some informed information.

I recently received Hugo 3D/2D from the UK.

The 3D/2D is on the same disc. When I select 2D the movie plays with great detail and clarity. However the aspect ratio changes from scene to scene. The side is slightly cropped and they move in and out. Quite a bit from what I've seen. About 10%. Player and Projector had 3D turned off. Checked on my other 2D only TV, same result.

I guess this something to do with the 3D process. I have just ordered the US 2D only version to see if that is fixed.

However I will stop collecting the 3D/2D versions of movies if this is a ongoing issue.

Thanks in advance.

Ta Dono
I've couple of 2D/3D discs (not the Hugo, my pkg had separate discs) and I never checked their 2D versions. However, due to ur this post I went back & tested their 2D renditions (two movies)... They were fine... Everything as it should be, as with other direct 2D blu-rays.

IMHO, ur this particular disc could be defective.
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Maybe I can get some informed information.

I recently received Hugo 3D/2D from the UK.

The 3D/2D is on the same disc. When I select 2D the movie plays with great detail and clarity. However the aspect ratio changes from scene to scene. The side is slightly cropped and they move in and out. Quite a bit from what I've seen. About 10%. Player and Projector had 3D turned off. Checked on my other 2D only TV, same result.

I guess this something to do with the 3D process. I have just ordered the US 2D only version to see if that is fixed.

However I will stop collecting the 3D/2D versions of movies if this is a ongoing issue.

Thanks in advance.

Ta Dono
I got the same Hugo disc and will watch it tomorrow and tell you if I see anything. And you don't have to stop buying 2d and 3d combo packs because you can always sell me the 3d discs since your local
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Old 04-13-2012, 02:44 PM   #7
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It has got to be floating window. Since the 2D version is on the same disk as 3D, I am guessing they are only playing back "one eye" instead of the original 2D encode.
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There's a sticky at the top of this forum dedicated to this topic....but to be honest, it's not super informative!
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Old 04-14-2012, 01:07 PM   #9
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The only logical explanation, if it was in fact the movie being the source of the bars on the sides, could be post 3D editing, where they zoom in to crop the shot for the purpose of converging the 3D so it's easier to view. When that's done, depending on the 3D editor, there's a slight chance by zooming in too far, the edges eventually begin to crop and end up as black bars.


That sounds like a reasonable answer.
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Are you talking about floating windows? That's a 3D post-process technique to reduce window violations and allow for more comfortable viewing of negative parallax. The 3D/2D combo discs really aren't the best for 2D viewing.

http://digitalcinema.disney.com/dc3dFloatWinMov.aspx
Yeah, It was kinda like that, however it was not floating. What I mean is that they don't move slowly like that video. On Hugo they jumped dramatically in and out on both sides of the screen. Very distracting.

Yeah, I won't buy a 3D/2D combo disc again. I will make sure they are on 2 different discs. I have ordered the 2D US version of Hugo to solve this issue.

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The side bars you speak of, not sure if that's something specific to that movie or your projector set up. Did you notice that same effect on another 3D movie just to test it out?

On all of my 3D movies, 18+, I've never seen this happen.

The only logical explanation, if it was in fact the movie being the source of the bars on the sides, could be post 3D editing, where they zoom in to crop the shot for the purpose of converging the 3D so it's easier to view. When that's done, depending on the 3D editor, there's a slight chance by zooming in too far, the edges eventually begin to crop and end up as black bars.

I could be way off there, it's just a theory. I don't have Hugo 3D yet, but saw it in theaters and didn't notice this.
Yeah, I have Tintin 3D and 2D. They are on different discs. No issue at all of Tintin 2D. No cropping issues.

I saw Hugo in 3D at the Cinema. It had the same thing. Black bars moving in from side to side. However I think it was a awful setup, because there also was heaps of ghosting. I was also sitting bang in the middle (best spot).

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