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Old 06-21-2012, 01:18 AM   #261
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If he's going to go through all that trouble of changing the laws of physics, he might as well travel to 2015 and pick up the complete series on blu
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What are everyones impressions of the Star Trek: The Next Generation Movie Event being held around the country on July 23rd? Anyone going?

http://www.fathomevents.com/classics...artrektng.aspx

I only ask because all my so-called Trek friends have no interest in the event. Personally, I wouldn't miss the chance to see TNG in HD on the big screen. This is something that isn't likely to be repeated anytime soon.
Me and my dad are going. Pretty excited.
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Old 06-21-2012, 04:25 AM   #264
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If he's going to go through all that trouble of changing the laws of physics, he might as well travel to 2015 and pick up the complete series on blu
Better to go ahead and skip another year or two ahead and get them at a discount when the price drops on the complete set
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Me and my dad are going. Pretty excited.
I am inviting my dad as well as we watched the show together when I was a child. It's playing at one my local theaters as well. Definitely psyched about this.
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Old 06-21-2012, 12:59 PM   #266
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I am inviting my dad as well as we watched the show together when I was a child. It's playing at one my local theaters as well. Definitely psyched about this.
When they show Best of Both Worlds Part 1 and 2 in theaters, I'm in. The two episodes they're showing here leave me a little cold. I never was a fan of Wesley, as no one is that brilliant without being eccentirc, and Wesley is about as eccentric as Beaver Cleaver. That's not a dig on Mr. Wheaton, who is a very good actor - his role was simply mis-conceived from the get-go, and for that, you have to fault the producer and writers. Imagine a Wesley more like Mozart in his teen years, and then you actually have an interesting character. As he is now, I just don't buy him.

As for the second episode, Datalore, that could be interesting in terms of how they handled the visual f/x, and might be worth seeing for that alone. But for my money, the series didn't start to get good until the 3rd season or thereabouts, and that's when I'll be looking to attend theatrical presentations of the episodes.
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When they show Best of Both Worlds Part 1 and 2 in theaters, I'm in. The two episodes they're showing here leave me a little cold. I never was a fan of Wesley, as no one is that brilliant without being eccentirc, and Wesley is about as eccentric as Beaver Cleaver. That's not a dig on Mr. Wheaton, who is a very good actor - his role was simply mis-conceived from the get-go, and for that, you have to fault the producer and writers. Imagine a Wesley more like Mozart in his teen years, and then you actually have an interesting character. As he is now, I just don't buy him.

As for the second episode, Datalore, that could be interesting in terms of how they handled the visual f/x, and might be worth seeing for that alone. But for my money, the series didn't start to get good until the 3rd season or thereabouts, and that's when I'll be looking to attend theatrical presentations of the episodes.
I agree with you that Best of Both Worlds Parts I and II were fantastic. I mean it was the foundation for Star Trek: First Contact, which is the best TNG film IMHO.

Season 3 does kick it up in terms of action and mufti-faceted plots, but I still personally like all 7 seasons.
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I never was a fan of Wesley, as no one is that brilliant without being eccentirc, and Wesley is about as eccentric as Beaver Cleaver. That's not a dig on Mr. Wheaton, who is a very good actor - his role was simply mis-conceived from the get-go, and for that, you have to fault the producer and writers. Imagine a Wesley more like Mozart in his teen years, and then you actually have an interesting character. As he is now, I just don't buy him.
Interesting take on the character, and much more insightful than the typical "Wesley sucks!" tripe you get from most fans, but this element never bothered me. As I think about it, I realize it's because, from what we've seen in the TREK universe, what would be considered average intelligence in the 24th Century is what we would consider to be a genius in the 21st. In other words, though marked, there isn't as massive a gap between Wesley's brain power and his peers' as there would be in 2012, so the neuroses we'd likely see in a citizen of his intellectual caliber today wouldn't necessary be a given in his 24th Century educational climate.
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Damn, was hoping for Best Of Both Worlds to be the episodes shown...
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"I agree with you that Best of Both Worlds Parts I and II were fantastic. I mean it was the foundation for Star Trek: First Contact, which is the best TNG film IMHO."
Well, not exactly. The premise of the Borg in "Q Who" and "Best of Both Worlds" was a collective mind with no individual leader and definitely not a Queen Bee (starting with ALIENS that franchise fell victim to the "Queen Bee Syndrome", too). Understanding the need of the Alpha Quadrant humanoids for individual leader figures, the Borg were kind enough to appoint Picard / Locutus as a familiar voice to speak for them.

The introduction of the Borg Queen was a changed premise (why wasn't she in "Best of Both Worlds" to speak for the Borg?). IMHO, the best TNG film would be a feature length version of "Best of Both Worlds".

Here is a riddle (suggestions welcome): By the end of season one ("The Neutral Zone") the Borg had already visited the Alpha Quadrant and wreaked havoc among Federation and Romulan installations near the Neutral Zone, assimilated plenty of information but obviously decided that neither the Federation nor the Romulans had interesting technology deserving further examination and left. Why did they come back?
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Here is a riddle (suggestions welcome): By the end of season one ("The Neutral Zone") the Borg had already visited the Alpha Quadrant and wreaked havoc among Federation and Romulan installations near the Neutral Zone, assimilated plenty of information but obviously decided that neither the Federation nor the Romulans had interesting technology deserving further examination and left. Why did they come back?
Because Q hurled us onto their turf (and the Borg didn't know that was the cause) which made us a lot more alarming as a threat and compelling as a species to assimilate.
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I am inviting my dad as well as we watched the show together when I was a child. It's playing at one my local theaters as well. Definitely psyched about this.
I really like the selection of WNOHGB which will probably be the prettiest update for that entire season - the scenes where the shoot by the galaxy clusters was great in 1987. Can't wait to see the HD version.

Datalore is an interesting choice, given there are other more FX driven episodes to showcase the upgrade. We'll Always Have Paris and Arsenal of Freedom spring to mind.
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Old 06-21-2012, 05:50 PM   #273
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Interesting take on the character, and much more insightful than the typical "Wesley sucks!" tripe you get from most fans, but this element never bothered me. As I think about it, I realize it's because, from what we've seen in the TREK universe, what would be considered average intelligence in the 24th Century is what we would consider to be a genius in the 21st. In other words, though marked, there isn't as massive a gap between Wesley's brain power and his peers' as there would be in 2012, so the neuroses we'd likely see in a citizen of his intellectual caliber today wouldn't necessary be a given in his 24th Century educational climate.
Wesley was created as a nod to the fanbase, giving young males a voice and a presence on the ship. Gene R was - allegedly - particularly taken with the idea and was quite sentimental about Wesley. That's why Wesley has no rough edges. He's not a character, he's an ideal, and a marketing tactic.

Wesley is supposed to be an Engineering savant, a freakishly talented physics prodigy. I personally think if Wesley had been approached as, say, a teenage "physics Mozart", and all the quirks that implies, he would have been a more fascinating character. And I'm only saying that from the standpoint of drama, not neccessarily "24th or 25th Century reality" of IQ standards.

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Couldn't you as easily say that about 23rd/24th Century humanity overall as depicted in STAR TREK? TREK's very core is has always been about the ideal of what could be, rather than what is.
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Old 06-21-2012, 09:42 PM   #275
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Damn, was hoping for Best Of Both Worlds to be the episodes shown...
They probably wont get to reassembling/restoring those for another 6-12 months. Right now, CBS is restoring season two episodes. Maybe by this time next year (with the next movie coming out -- and if it's a bigger hit than the first) they could arrange for another event. But for "The Best of Both Worlds, Parts I & II" they should definitely skip going through Fathom and release a high-quality 2K DCP to theaters, edited together with "Family" into a 2 hour, 11 minute film (I know the exact length because I did this very thing years ago using the DVDs.)

I'll gladly do it all over again when I get my hands on seasons three and four on Blu-ray... and I can't wait to see it put together with a brand new scan and all those classic miniature effects in HD!

For me, this is the first Next Generation feature film. It deserves to be in theaters (the right way) and on Blu-ray as well.
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Old 06-22-2012, 12:28 AM   #276
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That's a great idea ME. I'll go to any event they do. I'm really looking forward to WNMHGB, I like that one and haven't seen it in years.

If anyone hears about how to get the event poster please post the info here.
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Couldn't you as easily say that about 23rd/24th Century humanity overall as depicted in STAR TREK? TREK's very core is has always been about the ideal of what could be, rather than what is.
Not really - the main characters are fleshed out enough with their own fears and quirks that make them human and compelling (even Data). Wesley doesn't really fit. Of course, I thought Yar was boring as hell, too, and I was happy she quit the show. Not the best actress in the world, either. Then there was that failed Dr. Polaski character in season 2. Yikes.
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Not really - the main characters are fleshed out enough with their own fears and quirks that make them human and compelling (even Data). Wesley doesn't really fit.
Well, suffice it to say, I think you're selling the character short (and practicing hypocrisy, if one were to apply your accusations of his character failings to Yar's, who was rife with inherent dramatic potential, if the prima donna actress playing her hadn't been so damned impatient) but I tip my hat to you for at least being able to articulate the reasons for your Wesley hate more than 99.999% of the petulant fanbase.
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Well, suffice it to say, I think you're selling the character short (and practicing hypocrisy, if one were to apply your accusations of his character failings to Yar's, who was rife with inherent dramatic potential, if the prima donna actress playing her hadn't been so damned impatient) but I tip my hat to you for at least being able to articulate the reasons for your Wesley hate more than 99.999% of the petulant fanbase.
Wow - I don't hate the character, I just think he was misconceived, and there was potential for someone really interesting.

Yar bugs me, because Denise Crosby can't act. Yeah, that character could have been interesting, but not played by her.
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