The Official Emotiva Q&A thread

[antimatter]

Originally Posted by Stitches

That was my understanding, and one of the reasons (among a few) I never used this method. Though, I think in my case it would've only cut off the 8th and 9th channel. However, I can't exactly recall.

Kali may be able to confirm, or your manual definitely could. Which model do you have?

I'm gonna be getting the 709 in about a week and half. I read that is suppose to cut off those channels but I don't know how it would react if there is nothing plugged in the terminal. I found this maybe some has found a way to by pass this. Or because we are using the pre-out with 2,3,or 5 zone 1 channels it will not affect it. the 6 & 7 because it sounds like from this you can only run power to 7 channel but can have audio run to more than 7. Atleast that is what I got from this statement.


A useful speaker connection option is the ability for the TX-NR709 to be used in a full 7.2 channel configuration, or in a 5.2 channel setup in the main home theater room, with simultaneous 2 channel operation in a second room. However, if you want to use the full 7.2 channels for your home theater environment, you can still run an additional 2-channel system in another room by using the Zone 2 preamp outputs. in this setup you will have to add a second amplifier to power the speakers in Zone 2.

I found this info here:
http://hometheater.about.com/od/avre...r-Receiver.htm


STITCHES-How much does a 12v trigger cost like the Niles in your equipment tag?

[Stitches]

Originally Posted by antimatter

I'm gonna be getting the 709 in about a week and half. I read that is suppose to cut off those channels but I don't know how it would react if there is nothing plugged in the terminal. I found this maybe some has found a way to by pass this. Or because we are using the pre-out with 2,3,or 5 zone 1 channels it will not affect it. the 6 & 7 because it sounds like from this you can only run power to 7 channel but can have audio run to more than 7. Atleast that is what I got from this statement.


A useful speaker connection option is the ability for the TX-NR709 to be used in a full 7.2 channel configuration, or in a 5.2 channel setup in the main home theater room, with simultaneous 2 channel operation in a second room. However, if you want to use the full 7.2 channels for your home theater environment, you can still run an additional 2-channel system in another room by using the Zone 2 preamp outputs. in this setup you will have to add a second amplifier to power the speakers in Zone 2.

I found this info here:
http://hometheater.about.com/od/avre...r-Receiver.htm


STITCHES-How much does a 12v trigger cost like the Niles in your equipment tag?

Based on the quoted statement, it sounds like you can use the rear (or height or wide?) speakers in zone 1 with zone 2 active so long as the receiver is powering the 6th and 7th speaker (as opposed to an amp).

I really don't know though, you may just have to try when you get the 709 (unless someone else can confirm).



I got my Niles CS12 for $35 shipped some time ago. I got lucky to catch an auction on ebay as it was ending (no one had bid). If you watch ebay you may be able to find one even cheaper than I did. Here's a recent finished auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NILES-AUDIO-...item4d02256d21

[antimatter]

Originally Posted by Stitches

Based on the quoted statement, it sounds like you can use the rear (or height or wide?) speakers in zone 1 with zone 2 active so long as the receiver is powering the 6th and 7th speaker (as opposed to an amp).

I really don't know though, you may just have to try when you get the 709 (unless someone else can confirm).



I got my Niles CS12 for $35 shipped some time ago. I got lucky to catch an auction on ebay as it was ending (no one had bid). If you watch ebay you may be able to find one even cheaper than I did. Here's a recent finished auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NILES-AUDIO-...item4d02256d21

Cool Yea I just sent an email to Onkyo. I will have to watch ebay for one of those. I love ebay for some stuff I just scored my new remote there. I don't know why but it seems like alot of people on bluray.com do not like ebay.

Thanks for your help.

[antimatter]

Originally Posted by Stitches

Based on the quoted statement, it sounds like you can use the rear (or height or wide?) speakers in zone 1 with zone 2 active so long as the receiver is powering the 6th and 7th speaker (as opposed to an amp).

I really don't know though, you may just have to try when you get the 709 (unless someone else can confirm).



I got my Niles CS12 for $35 shipped some time ago. I got lucky to catch an auction on ebay as it was ending (no one had bid). If you watch ebay you may be able to find one even cheaper than I did. Here's a recent finished auction:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NILES-AUDIO-...item4d02256d21

Hey how does that 12v trigger work. Do I plug the 12v trigger box into my APC then plug my receiver in to the Niles trigger box and then run the cable from my Amp into that. And then turn on the receiver and then the box send the signal to the amp to wake up/turn on.

[Kali157]

As per page 63 of the 709 manual, you can still have 7.1 in you main room w/ Zone 2 on as long as you do not use the Onkyo to power the Zone 2 speakers. You can even put an amp on your rear speakers w/ Zone 2 on by connecting the amp to the Onkyo via "surround back" pre-outs. There are separate Zone 2 pre-outs. In the Onkyo's menus, you can pick how the reciver's powered speaker connections are going to act. Make sure "Powered Zone 2" is "Off." This was the same as my older 707, though I didn't run 7.1.

[antimatter]

Originally Posted by Kali157

As per page 63 of the 709 manual, you can still have 7.1 in you main room w/ Zone 2 on as long as you do not use the Onkyo to power the Zone 2 speakers. You can even put an amp on your rear speakers w/ Zone 2 on by connecting the amp to the Onkyo via "surround back" pre-outs. There are separate Zone 2 pre-outs. In the Onkyo's menus, you can pick how the reciver's powered speaker connections are going to act. Make sure "Powered Zone 2" is "Off." This was the same as my older 707, though I didn't run 7.1.

Okay so powered Zone 2 "off" essentially tells the receiver that you don't want the receiver to send any power to them. the receiver thinks you have an amp connected to power them. correct? I won't have anything connected to them anyway so as long as I can shut down power to them when Zone 2 is on and play my rear channels I am

Also I just thought about something I emailed emotiva about it. It may solve the issue for people without a Universal Harmony remote.

You get the Emotiva ET-3 and it says you can use the outlet in the back of your receiver which Onkyo does not have. But if ET-3 can handle a regular outlet this can be used.
http://www.kab-cable.com/product_des...on.php?PNo=121
and then plug the ET-3 into it. turn the on switch and it turns on the ET-3 like a receiver would in turn sending the trigger signal. when you are done you turn it off and it cuts power letting the amp go into standby.

Just waiting to here from Emotiva if this could or would work. I just thought about these as I use them to turn on and off my different LED lights.

Kali Thanks for your help your option should work great for me and will be looking forward to getting this all set up at the end of July. I am really excited about the new receiver and the Amp. Wow who knew I would go from an HTIB to getting this stuff in about year and half. Thank You everyone for helping when I had some Really Dumb A$$ questions. I'm sure I'll have more as this stuff is all new to me. Especially the big boy equipment. Now if I can only one day get the adult set up going and a full HT room.

[kevinokev]

Does anyone know if this summer sale is the only sale that they will have? Or is there a specific July 4 that happens to be greater in savings then the summer sale??

Looking to get an XPA 3 around 599, currently at 639 with 10% off due to the summer sale.

[antimatter]

Can someone tell me if it is okay to use a stereo cable with 709 or should I get the mono cable? I have heard it works with both but I was personally just get a Mono but I notice they have some nice stereo cables. Normally cables don't matter but I bought some Monster A/V componet cables and a couple stereo cables to run to my pre-outs so I would kind of like a nicer looking one. I feel kind of lame because normally I wouldn't care but I am taking so much pride in putting this set up together. Plus I think it is because to I have a whole week off work. I will probably only spend 1 day setting up but I can then put my cables nice and stuff. Although where I place the XPA is gonna be ghetto cuz I have no room for it. Just know it will NOT be on the floor!

[Cuttersky]

So I hooked up my XPA-5 tonight (still need to hook up the XPA-2) and watched a movie. Loved the sound it produced but the amp was very hot to the touch after the movie. Is this normal?

[ZIPPO]

Originally Posted by Cuttersky

So I hooked up my XPA-5 tonight (still need to hook up the XPA-2) and watched a movie. Loved the sound it produced but the amp was very hot to the touch after the movie. Is this normal?

Not really. How high did you have the volume cranked? Is it well ventilated?

[Cuttersky]

Originally Posted by ZIPPO

Not really. How high did you have the volume cranked? Is it well ventilated?

I think it's well ventilated, nothing around it just had it sitting on the floor. I'm pretty sure I had the volume at -29 dba

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by Cuttersky

So I hooked up my XPA-5 tonight (still need to hook up the XPA-2) and watched a movie. Loved the sound it produced but the amp was very hot to the touch after the movie. Is this normal?

i've owned my XPA-5 for years, with a 4 ohm front 3 and a pair of 8 ohm surrounds connected to it and it has never, ever gotten hot. even with the front 3 set as large/full range and that's over hours of use too. yes, it's gotten warm to the touch at those times, but never what i'd consider hot.

of course i don't listen to movies or music very loudly either (my old ears can't stand it) and my amp is open on all four sides (except the bottom of course) to air flow and it sets on a shelf about 2-3" from the floor so it's at the coolest part of the room.

for you, use the amp a couple of more times. at the same volume level and at lower volume levels. if it's just as hot in either case then you may have a problem with the amp.

also, if your pre-amp/pre-outs are sending very low voltage/signal that will also help the amp to get warmer struggling to amplify such low voltage/signal.

start small, check to see if it's doing it at different volume levels for about the same amout of runtime as you had for the initial problem.

oh yeah, what pre-amp/receiver are you using and what kind of speakers are you using, this is helpful information for us.

please let us know what you find.....

[Cuttersky]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

i've owned my XPA-5 for years, with a 4 ohm front 3 and a pair of 8 ohm surrounds connected to it and it has never, ever gotten hot. even with the front 3 set as large/full range and that's over hours of use too. yes, it's gotten warm to the touch at those times, but never what i'd consider hot.

of course i don't listen to movies or music very loudly either (my old ears can't stand it) and my amp is open on all four sides (except the bottom of course) to air flow and it sets on a shelf about 2-3" from the floor so it's at the coolest part of the room.

for you, use the amp a couple of more times. at the same volume level and at lower volume levels. if it's just as hot in either case then you may have a problem with the amp.

also, if your pre-amp/pre-outs are sending very low voltage/signal that will also help the amp to get warmer struggling to amplify such low voltage/signal.

start small, check to see if it's doing it at different volume levels for about the same amout of runtime as you had for the initial problem.

oh yeah, what pre-amp/receiver are you using and what kind of speakers are you using, this is helpful information for us.

please let us know what you find.....

Thanks for the info and help. I will run it again by this weekend. Processor is a Macintosh MX-121. Fronts B&W 803D's, center B&W Nautilus HTM1 and 2 B&W 600 series bookshelves for rears.

[rock, stone]

Originally Posted by Cuttersky

I think it's well ventilated, nothing around it just had it sitting on the floor. I'm pretty sure I had the volume at -29 dba

Is it on carpet or bare floor? The first couple days I had my amp it was just on the carpet but was twice as hot as when I stuck a board under it.

[Cuttersky]

Originally Posted by rock, stone

Is it on carpet or bare floor? The first couple days I had my amp it was just on the carpet but was twice as hot as when I stuck a board under it.

On the carpet, but I'm looking today for a two tier rack for my two amps. Anyone have any suggestions?

[Kali157]

Originally Posted by Cuttersky

So I hooked up my XPA-5 tonight (still need to hook up the XPA-2) and watched a movie. Loved the sound it produced but the amp was very hot to the touch after the movie. Is this normal?

Do you happen to have an IR thermometer? Or any relatively accurate thermometer? As I understand it, XPAs do not get very hot which allows users to stack the amps. My XPA-3 gets warm when pushed for a while, but never very hot as you described. Anyway, with an actual temp reading, we, or more importantly Emotiva, can tell you if the temp is in a nominal range of operation.

[Cuttersky]

Originally Posted by Kali157

Do you happen to have an IR thermometer? Or any relatively accurate thermometer? As I understand it, XPAs do not get very hot which allows users to stack the amps. My XPA-3 gets warm when pushed for a while, but never very hot as you described. Anyway, with an actual temp reading, we, or more importantly Emotiva, can tell you if the temp is in a nominal range of operation.

I do not have an IR thermometer but let me see what I can figure out tonight. So you're saying I should be able to stack the amps on top of one another? Is there a spacer or anything in between? I'm a visual person sorry...

[Kali157]

Originally Posted by Cuttersky

I do not have an IR thermometer but let me see what I can figure out tonight. So you're saying I should be able to stack the amps on top of one another? Is there a spacer or anything in between? I'm a visual person sorry...

As I understand it, no spacers besides the rubber feet. I know several members here have done it based on galleries.

[jlafrenz]

Originally Posted by Cuttersky

I do not have an IR thermometer but let me see what I can figure out tonight. So you're saying I should be able to stack the amps on top of one another? Is there a spacer or anything in between? I'm a visual person sorry...

You can stack Emo amps on top of each other. Lots of people do it without issue. As Kali said, just keep the feet on each of the amps.

[erict]

Originally Posted by Kali157

Emotiva has always advised against plugging their amps into a power conditioner. As I understand it, they prefer to have their amp's internal protective circuitry unimpeded ie plugged straight into the wall. Someone correct me if this has changed.

That is not really entirely true. While their amps have protective circuitry built in there are many that still plug there amps into a power conditioner even though it's not needed. Emo stance is, IF you use a power conditioner make sure it has a high current outlet that can handle the amp. Some lower cost conditioners lack this or are unable to deliver a higher draw when called upon and trip the conditioner.