Digital Copy Discussion

[RayCRP]

Wouldn't it still be upscaled from an SD source, though? IIRC, it specifically says on the back of Blu-ray covers that Digital Copies are in SD...

[djluis2k6]

Originally Posted by RayCRP

Wouldn't it still be upscaled from an SD source, though? IIRC, it specifically says on the back of Blu-ray covers that Digital Copies are in SD...

The SD copy stays the SD copy. But from testing, it does appear that if you have a digital copy in the iTunes cloud, streaming it would play in HD, but as I mentioned earlier, the movie still have to be available in the iTunes Store in HD to be able to stream it in HD. But the file itself on your computer or device is still SD.

[TheBluRayPrince]

It's sd when you download the file into your computer. Every download, whether iTunes or UV is standard. It's the streaming that is different and depends on either studio for UV or availability for iTunes.

[bookcase]

HBO got it right with the recent release of True Blood -- they offered every conceivable form of DC so people could select what they prefer, and they were HD digital copies.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by bookcase

HBO got it right with the recent release of True Blood -- they offered every conceivable form of DC so people could select what they prefer, and they were HD digital copies.

HD how? If they were compressed down from 1920 x 1080 in any way then they are not HD. It's like how VUDU calls their HDX titles HD when they are a third the size of the same .m2ts file on a BD.

[tormond]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

HD how? If they were compressed down from 1920 x 1080 in any way then they are not HD. It's like how VUDU calls their HDX titles HD when they are a third the size of the same .m2ts file on a BD.

Without the obvious that HD doesn't exclusively mean 1080P you can also reduce bitrate and remove HD audio and those file sizes shrink HUGELY (especially downsampling the audio). I do this for discs that don't have DCs since while watching on a iPad or to one of my kids TVs thru TV speakers DTS HD etc are worthless. Also removing the extras, multiple audio tracks, everything but the film makes a HUGE difference (For example I can keep the film 1080P/24, downmix the audio and remove everything but the movie and the file size is ~6-8GB (for a file that is ~40GB on the BD.. No loss in video quality at all. Downmix that to 720P (which is still HD) and I can drop that number almost in half.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by tormond

Without the obvious that HD doesn't exclusively mean 1080P you can also reduce bitrate and remove HD audio and those file sizes shrink HUGELY (especially downsampling the audio). I do this for discs that don't have DCs since while watching on a iPad or to one of my kids TVs thru TV speakers DTS HD etc are worthless. Also removing the extras, multiple audio tracks, everything but the film makes a HUGE difference (For example I can keep the film 1080P/24, downmix the audio and remove everything but the movie and the file size is ~6-8GB (for a file that is ~40GB on the BD.. No loss in video quality at all. Downmix that to 720P (which is still HD) and I can drop that number almost in half.

See we disagree there as well. 720p is not HD even though the CAB/SAT companies and YouTube call it HD.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

See we disagree there as well. 720p is not HD even though the CAB/SAT companies and YouTube call it HD.

Yeah, I'd call 720p "mid-definition", if anything.

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

See we disagree there as well. 720p is not HD even though the CAB/SAT companies and YouTube call it HD.

Actually, it is high definition. I shoot 1080, then render to 720 all the time for clients for distribution on the web -- which is where 720 is very widely used. It isn't of course, at the resolution of 1080, but that doesn't mean it's not HD.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

See we disagree there as well. 720p is not HD even though the CAB/SAT companies and YouTube call it HD.

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Yeah, I'd call 720p "mid-definition", if anything.

I agree with these folks. 720p is not HD. 720p is BBTSD!

[Show spoiler]"Barely-Better-Than-Standard-Definition!"

[Towergrove]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Yeah.

I do download iTunes DCs because my kids watch them or I can watch them when I'm traveling.

Uv though is horrible and I just ignore those. Uv is poorly implemented, crap quality and expires after three years.

If you download your UV copy they still play after the 3 years. the 3 years part is for the streaming which technically is up to each studio to support after the 3.

You should get use to it because eventually most studios will be going the UV route.

[Towergrove]

Originally Posted by TheBluRayPrince

It's sd when you download the file into your computer. Every download, whether iTunes or UV is standard. It's the streaming that is different and depends on either studio for UV or availability for iTunes.

This will change when the UV CFF is released later this year, CFF being the new common file format.

[blurayisnice]

Digital copies are useless and only cost more money.

[Benh911f]

Originally Posted by bookcase

HBO got it right with the recent release of True Blood -- they offered every conceivable form of DC so people could select what they prefer, and they were HD digital copies.

Really, this is confirmed that the DCs are in HD? I may be tempted to buy Seasons 3 and 4 now. I wish if you bought a Blu that the DC was always HD.

[Towergrove]

Originally Posted by blurayisnice

Digital copies are useless and only cost more money.

Maybe for some but for many it's an addeded value to your purchase. If it wasn't Popular studios wouldn't be doing it.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Towergrove

Maybe for some but for many it's an addeded value to your purchase. If it wasn't Popular studios wouldn't be doing it.

That is what he was trying to say... only he was meaning "perceived value." It's a reason for the studios to tag on a few more dollars so people can be forced to pay more.

I only find it annoying because I never have and never will use it. But, I also understand that others are going through the same thing with 3D in order to get all of the extra features for the titles.

It has gotten to the point where studios have too many options and can't offer all variations as individual combos to suit everyones needs. My ideal combo would be just BD + 3D. No DVD, no DC. And have the price reflect that properly!

But, alas... you can't ALWAYS have your cake and eat it too.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Nostromo

Actually, it is high definition. I shoot 1080, then render to 720 all the time for clients for distribution on the web -- which is where 720 is very widely used. It isn't of course, at the resolution of 1080, but that doesn't mean it's not HD.

No, it's not. 720p displays came out as a cheaper alternative to 1080p displays. 720 is of course higher than 480, but that doesn't make it HD. I personally call it pseudo-HD just like YouTube's, VUDU's, and the CAB/SAT companies offerings. Once you've seen a 1080 source that is far less compressed (BD) everything else looks like junk. So again, 720 is indeed higher than 480 (barely), but that doesn't make it HD. As 720 displays get harder and harder to find I imagine you'll see the 720 resolution fade away from everything but YouTube. YT will continue to keep 720p because many people have a monitor that is 768p.

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

No, it's not. 720p displays came out as a cheaper alternative to 1080p displays. 720 is of course higher than 480, but that doesn't make it HD. I personally call it pseudo-HD just like YouTube's, VUDU's, and the CAB/SAT companies offerings. Once you've seen a 1080 source that is far less compressed (BD) everything else looks like junk. So again, 720 is indeed higher than 480 (barely), but that doesn't make it HD. As 720 displays get harder and harder to find I imagine you'll see the 720 resolution fade away from everything but YouTube. YT will continue to keep 720p because many people have a monitor that is 768p.

We'll agree to disagree. There are two types of HD: 720 and 1080. This is widely acknowledged in the professional broadcast and video production fields. 720 may not be as high a resolution as 1080, but that doesn't mean it's not high definition.

You seem to be basing your argument, that 720 "looks like junk" compared to 1080. That's your opinion, and you have that right. But even if it does "look like junk" to you or anyone else, that does not negate the fact that it is, in fact, high definition.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Nostromo

We'll agree to disagree. There are two types of HD: 720 and 1080. This is widely acknowledged in the professional broadcast and video production fields. 720 may not be as high a resolution as 1080, but that doesn't mean it's not high definition.

You seem to be basing your argument, that 720 "looks like junk" compared to 1080. That's your opinion, and you have that right. But even if it does "look like junk" to you or anyone else, that does not negate the fact that it is, in fact, high definition.

No, it's not just my opinion. 720 was created as a cheaper alternative to 1080. Between that and the fact that most monitors are 768 or less is why the term 720 has stuck around. It's a higher resolution, but it is not HD. The providers I mentioned above lumped them together several years ago so their mistake is the consumers confusion. If they had gone with 1080 only we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

No, it's not just my opinion. 720 was created as a cheaper alternative to 1080. Between that and the fact that most monitors are 768 or less is why the term 720 has stuck around. It's a higher resolution, but it is not HD. The providers I mentioned above lumped them together several years ago so their mistake is the consumers confusion. If they had gone with 1080 only we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

High-definition video or HD video is any video system of higher resolution than standard-definition (SD) video, and most commonly involves display resolutions of 1,280×720 pixels (720p) or 1,920×1,080 pixels (1080i/1080p).
With HD being being defined in 3 ways: lines of vertical resolution(720/1080), Scanning system(i/p), and number of frames/fields per second(50/60 Hz)

I don't care for it much either, but be that as it may, 720 is considered HD.

Now with that said, anyone interested in DC/UV or dvds, check out my collection and PM me!