Prometheus Review Thread (Spoilers)

[Kirk Out]

Originally Posted by boucoupdinkydau

that makes it even more stupid.

F*** the welcome wagon. Let's give the humans a map to a remote tomb that we converted into a bomber base.

+1

[Lemmy Lugosi]

+2

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

That makes it even more stupid.

F*** the welcome wagon. Let's give the humans a map to a remote tomb that we converted into a bomber base.

So, you're not convinced by Lindelof's comments that the star maps were

[Show spoiler]not an invitation and were nothing more than an answer to the question "Where do you come from?"

[Show spoiler]What were some of the things you added to the draft when you came on?
Lindelof:
I think that what I really wanted to do was rebalance the movie so it wasn’t really relying as much on the Alien tropes we know. The face-hugging and chest-bursting, Xenomorphs and acid blood – all that stuff is great. But I wanted to take it in the direction of, “what if we went to meet our makers? Who are they? What are they up to? What happened to them? Did they invite us here?” If we’re perceiving something as an invitation that’s not an invitation at all – that’s who we are. We’re very egoistic creatures. If we see something in a cave of someone pointing to something, they might just be saying, “that’s where we come from.” We look at it and go, “you want us to come there!” So what happens when you show up at a party that you weren’t invited to? This movie becomes kind of that cautionary tale. I felt like I wanted to take the original idea in Jon’s draft about going to meet our makers and make the movie about that as opposed to making it about running into more aliens.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

It just does not fly, because no doubt about it is ever interjected by any of the characters. The intentions of the writer must be seen (or in a book, read), not inferred later on by the writer claiming what something was supposed to be about. Now a few do roll their eyes and voice objections to the idea of meeting aliens or discounting established science, but nobody in the film ever brings up the fact that the five circles could just be "where your daddy came from," as opposed to the hypothesis that we are supposed to meet our makers once we gain the ability to make the journey.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

It just does not fly, because no doubt about it is ever interjected by any of the characters. The intentions of the writer must be seen (or in a book, read), not inferred later on by the writer claiming what something was supposed to be about. Now a few do roll their eyes and voice objections to the idea of meeting aliens or discounting established science, but nobody in the film ever brings up the fact that the five circles could just be "where your daddy came from," as opposed to the hypothesis that we are supposed to meet our makers once we gain the ability to make the journey.

In fact, every character in the movie, with the exception of Shaw and Holloway, expressed doubt about it. The only reason the expedition occurred was that Weyland,

[Show spoiler]within hours of his death, kept alive in stasis, took the gamble that his life might be extended.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

So, you're not convinced by Lindelof's comments that the star maps were

[Show spoiler]not an invitation and were nothing more than an answer to the question "Where do you come from?"

[Show spoiler]What were some of the things you added to the draft when you came on?
Lindelof:
I think that what I really wanted to do was rebalance the movie so it wasn’t really relying as much on the Alien tropes we know. The face-hugging and chest-bursting, Xenomorphs and acid blood – all that stuff is great. But I wanted to take it in the direction of, “what if we went to meet our makers? Who are they? What are they up to? What happened to them? Did they invite us here?” If we’re perceiving something as an invitation that’s not an invitation at all – that’s who we are. We’re very egoistic creatures. If we see something in a cave of someone pointing to something, they might just be saying, “that’s where we come from.” We look at it and go, “you want us to come there!” So what happens when you show up at a party that you weren’t invited to? This movie becomes kind of that cautionary tale. I felt like I wanted to take the original idea in Jon’s draft about going to meet our makers and make the movie about that as opposed to making it about running into more aliens.

So like 8 different places in different times not connected at all, all know the location of the bomber base?

Of course I could buy into that another part of the moon/planet (can't remember which it was) is more of the civilization and not a remote bomb base. It doesn't have to be a completely different moon or planet just to house the artillery.

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

In fact, every character in the movie, with the exception of Shaw and Holloway, expressed doubt about it. The only reason the expedition occurred was that Weyland,

[Show spoiler]within hours of his death, kept alive in stasis, took the gamble that his life might be extended.

I don't recall that from either viewing, so it didn't impact me. I remember the geologist showing general irritation at the entire idea, and the biologist making the comment about Darwinism being thrown out when Shaw claims we were made rather than developed, but I don't recall much else.

They challenege the 'engineer' idea, but nobody stands up and says "Did it ever occur to you that the five disks may have represented the five truths of life?!"

More needed to be done to establish that we were not intended to go there. In alien contact movies, the audience is going to almost always assume we are going to meet benevolent creatures that are going to tell us the meaning of life (Contact), or accidentally take a journey that will get us into trouble (Stargate).

These are staples of the genre, so if this film wanted to do a variation on this idea, it needed to be very clear about it—and it wasn't.

Just my two cents.

[The Big Blue]

What's up with the

[Show spoiler]alien ship at the end... the Prometheus rams into it, there's a giant explosion, it falls to the ground, it rolls a few miles, then falls over and there's not a dent on it?

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

It's made out of that stuff we use to build our black boxes.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

What's up with the

[Show spoiler]alien ship at the end... the Prometheus rams into it, there's a giant explosion, it falls to the ground, it rolls a few miles, then falls over and there's not a dent on it?

Reminds me a of car accident I witnessed involved which a Honda Accord and Volvo. The Honda was pretty much totaled and the Volvo had very minimal damage.

Perhaps the Engineers had their ships built in Sweden.

[SirMontyPython]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Reminds me a of car accident I witnessed involved which a Honda Accord and Volvo. The Honda was pretty much totaled and the Volvo had very minimal damage.

Perhaps the Engineers had their ships built in Sweden.

...but they were on LV-223, or is that Iceland?

[vega2K]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

It's made out of that stuff we use to build our black boxes.

Or legos! Have you ever tried to break a lego piece?

I'm not well versed on the planet numberings, so bear with me...In Aliens, we see the giant space jockey ship crashed in about the same position as the one in Prometheus. But I understand it is not the same planet. So, I assume in Aliens, it is another ship that crashed and landed in a similar position? Or am I just confused...

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by vega2K

Or legos! Have you ever tried to break a lego piece?

I'm not well versed on the planet numberings, so bear with me...In Aliens, we see the giant space jockey ship crashed in about the same position as the one in Prometheus. But I understand it is not the same planet. So, I assume in Aliens, it is another ship that crashed and landed in a similar position? Or am I just confused...

OMG yes, Legos!

Yes, two different ships crashed on two different moons within the same star system. Makes you wonder about the engineers. They might be able to build 'em but nobody bothered to learn how to fly 'em!

They also appear to have a standard crashing protocol: "Yes, you are to end up on a mostly abandoned body with the belly down and the prongs up in the air if you can manage it."

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

What's up with the

[Show spoiler]alien ship at the end... the Prometheus rams into it, there's a giant explosion, it falls to the ground, it rolls a few miles, then falls over and there's not a dent on it?

Not to mention Prometheus disappears.

[SirMontyPython]

Could it be a coincidence that two separate ships crashed in that exact same manner? Or maybe that's how they're supposed to land? Maybe it's just a movie connection between Alien and Aliens just to put a more distinct connection? Maybe it was a monkey see monkey do? Lol!!

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

I just thought of something:

Why would Weyland/Yutani develop LV-426 when nearby LV-422 has a much better climate that would have taken considerably less terriforming effort?

"Hey, check this one out guys! It's almost earth-like! All we have to do is scrub out a little CO2!"
"Nah, let's spend fifty-times more money on this ugly volcanic moon over here."

[darry]

Haven't read the whole thread. But I didn't understand something:

[Show spoiler]why was the alien guy so pissed of at the end? was it just a case of
the aliens hating their creations, which the movie seemed to repeat a lot but not explain? And why wasn't the bit where the robot talks in alien language subtitled? I was confused, the characters, and this includes the audience, were given this huge build up about this meeting, it was the whole point of the movie, and then he didn't say a word, just went nuts.

[Nuova]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

I just thought of something:

Why would Weyland/Yutani develop LV-426 when nearby LV-422 has a much better climate that would have taken considerably less terriforming effort?

"Hey, check this one out guys! It's almost earth-like! All we have to do is scrub out a little CO2!"
"Nah, let's spend fifty-times more money on this ugly volcanic moon over here."

Who says they were right next to each other?

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Nuova

Who says they were right next to each other?

Ridley Scott.

[insomniac]

Saw it yesterday and both my friend and I found it a very enjoyable 2 hours.

Wasn't aware that it was linked to the Alien franchise until a week ago, as the trailers I saw in the theatres didn't seem to suggest it as such. Funny enough, I bought the first 2 Alien films just 2 weeks ago as I haven't seen them and know that they are classics I should watch. And no regrets, because I was blown away by how good the first one looked! Perfect timing to see it too.

Didn't understand the whole point of the

[Show spoiler]zombie bit though. We get that alien + human host = next stage of alien. The zombie thing seemed to be just flung out of nowhere with no explanation. I thought it was Charlie after being torched, as he was just lying around the entrance, but my friend thought it was one of the 2 guys who got lost and were the first to be attacked.