Batman Reboot

[hthomas20]

I would love to see The Riddler and Mr. Freeze done again but much better this time around. Some other villains would be cool. Mad Hatter, Clock King, etc

[mlittle3]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I like the idea of a Arkham Asylum type of Batman. The main problem with everything ever done with Batman (with the exception of the 40's serials and the animated series) is that they always make the vilains more interesting than Batman. That's what happen in the 60's series, that's what happen in the 90's series and it's no different with the Nolan movies. The Dark Knight was plain just bad, they should have just called it The Joker and just be done with it. I am hoping with the reboot we get more Batman and we return to a bit more fantasy Batman and try less grounding into reality. Personaly I am glad Nolan will step down, Batman Begins was alright but The Dark Knight wasn't that good a movie for me. It dragged on after it should have been over. I was actually bored in theater watching it and figured I must have been just tired and gave it a chance on Blu-ray and was the same, kept on struggling to really stay awake. Nolan is just not a director for me since I really can't enjoy any of the other movies I saw from him. Looking forward to a reboot and hope they will stay away from "the Nolan style" and do something different.

Batman simply isn't as interesting as the villains.

Never was, never will be.

He is more interesting as a symbol. Although Nolan's take on Bruce Wayne is pretty fun to watch.

[SK408]

Rocksteady's next game is gonna have the Justice League.They were gonna make a TMNT game,but looks like WB has other plans.

I wonder how the reboot is gonna be???

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Wally Q

P@t, simple question:

Do you think the Schumacher films are better than the Nolan films?

Better, no not better. I think Batman & Robin was a idea that quickly went overboard. Some of it was trying to bring back the campy feeling of the 60's Batman and it did not work, it was a bad idea. The 60's Batman work because of the time, on TV, the way the audience was. Trying to bring that back, even in trying to go for an homage was a serious mistake, more so after the comic book series The Dark Knight Returns, the way the comic of Batman were in the 80's and the Burton movies. Burton still had lighter moments but he brought "the dark knight" to the movies and once that was out there was no way a "campy" more kid friendly Batman would work. In general I don't hate Batman & Robin, I mostly take it for what it was. I enjoy Batman Forever but was different from what Burton did.

Were Burton movies better, for me yes they are but it's all opinion. For me Burton struck a good balance between dark and lighter moments along with fantasy elements. I prefer the Burton Joker over what Nolan did, Nolan went to much "psycho" and not enough Joker. In fact remove the make up and he could have been nothing more than a typical "psycho bad guy" you see in every other Hollywood cops/bad guy movies. Thus lies the problem with Nolan for me, remove the Batman elements and you have a typical cop/bad guy movie. It never felt like Batman stories for me.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by mlittle3

Batman simply isn't as interesting as the villains.

Never was, never will be.

He is more interesting as a symbol. Although Nolan's take on Bruce Wayne is pretty fun to watch.

That is something they do very well. From the early days, Bruce Wayne always acted in a rather silly, lazy, uncaring typical rich guy. The idea being that no one could even think "wait a minute, Batman seem very similar to Bruce". Even the 60's series had a bit of that but in reality failed at it since Bruce would sound too much like a justice seeker and fall out of his "character". Burton did not achieve it either in his movies. Great work on Nolan and Baile for that.

[retablo]

Someone needs to do Batman right. Burton came closest... he was a character in DETECTIVE comics. He should be a detective. And his world should be gothic, not "real". Nolan's take is interesting, but too limiting to include much of what makes the comics cool.

[beadelf]

Originally Posted by retablo

Someone needs to do Batman right. Burton came closest... he was a character in DETECTIVE comics. He should be a detective. And his world should be gothic, not "real". Nolan's take is interesting, but too limiting to include much of what makes the comics cool.

I dont think film reeboot is the way, you will just get a load more batman forevers, thats whats going to happen, the movies will be more in line with the marvel camp crapfest movies, Batman 89 was good for its day, Batman returns was superior in every way, The nolan movies IMO are the best.

the best we can hope for is a new animated series in the form of arkham city to be made! that would be awesome.

the next batman reeboots will have some hearthrob in them a hot girl to amp up some love interest and draw in a bigger female audience, it will be more lighthearted and camp, Id take bets that this is what we will end up with.

[joenostalgia23]

People are saying its too late for Spider-Man(not my opinion, I think ASM did the character justice and was truer to the character than even best films were) and that's four years after Spider-Man 3...
TDKR has the potential to win Best Picture Based on the buzz I've heard. It's going to be a tough act to follow.

Any live action adaptation of a comic is going to be met with disappointment. Only 300 and Sin City worked, and I think that's more because both comics had fairly weak substance from the beginning and depended more on visuals. Both films were working with such short material that it was easy to add new material and present the stories in creative, cinematic ways.

But I don't think The Dark Knight Returns could work in live action(it'd need to be hard R) and the Hush storyline wouldnt fit in one movie and it would be satisfying divided up. Also whoever they'd recast for Batman would have to compete with Bale's portrayal.

I still think WB's best bet would be to make a Batman Beyond film. It'd be vastly different from Nolan's series and from Burton's. I think the cyberpunk style would still really click with audiences(but I guess we'll just have to see how Total Recall and Dredd do). And WB would be able to find a younger guy to be Batman, bringing in more of the "twilight audience" like ASM(that doesn't mean I think Batman Beyond should be done Twilight style. Just that some JGL type of actor would make an awesome Terry McGinnis.
We would also be able to see an older Bruce Wayne and through this older Bruce Wayne we could slowly be introduced to the Justice League through his memories, which take place in the Man of Steel/Justice League universe.

[Fabiosugitani]

I like the "closer to reality" Batman way better than the fantasy Batman like you guys talking about.
I've always hated the Batman until Nolan. I didn't even believed this Batman was going to be good, so I didn't go to the theaters. But my friend wanted to go to see Superman Returns in IMAX, so I went with him, but it was only playing Batman Begins, we watched and I liked.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Fabiosugitani

I like the "closer to reality" Batman way better than the fantasy Batman like you guys talking about.
I've always hated the Batman until Nolan. I didn't even believed this Batman was going to be good, so I didn't go to the theaters. But my friend wanted to go to see Superman Returns in IMAX, so I went with him, but it was only playing Batman Begins, we watched and I liked.

The problem isn't whether something is close to reality or not, the issue is that something major is off in the film that doesn't drag you into the 'believability' of the world so to speak. Look at Star Wars or even Avatar. They execute their stuff well enough to suck you into their world.

Batman can do a balancing act, it just needs a director capable of it and willing to do so. Nolan had his take and it was brilliant but nowhere near what the comic book version should have included. I'm all for a hybrid of Nolan and Burton's version. Supernatural elements grounded in reality.

Take Killer Croc for example, in the real world that stuff is impossible, but then in the case of say Amazing Spiderman when they did something similar, they used the idea of the formula to transform him. Essentially using science to ground the more supernatural looking parts of it. Just like that, Batman can try to use pseud-science explanations. Mass effect games although from a different medium do a really good job of trying to use pseud-science to explain their stuff too.

I look forwards to seeing a fresh approach but the biggest issue is that you have Nolan's shadow looming over you and the weight of expectations from that as well, and that's a difficult condition to work under so they better have their stuff together when trying to even tackle this movie.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I like the idea of a Arkham Asylum type of Batman. The main problem with everything ever done with Batman (with the exception of the 40's serials and the animated series) is that they always make the vilains more interesting than Batman. That's what happen in the 60's series, that's what happen in the 90's series and it's no different with the Nolan movies. The Dark Knight was plain just bad, they should have just called it The Joker and just be done with it. I am hoping with the reboot we get more Batman and we return to a bit more fantasy Batman and try less grounding into reality. Personaly I am glad Nolan will step down, Batman Begins was alright but The Dark Knight wasn't that good a movie for me. It dragged on after it should have been over. I was actually bored in theater watching it and figured I must have been just tired and gave it a chance on Blu-ray and was the same, kept on struggling to really stay awake. Nolan is just not a director for me since I really can't enjoy any of the other movies I saw from him. Looking forward to a reboot and hope they will stay away from "the Nolan style" and do something different.

I agree that the Joker stole the show in TDK but batman begins was mainly about Batman and it did a great job in building up the character. None of the villians in BB were that great or memorable, IMO.

If they get away from Nolan, what are they gonna do? The dorky, useless Tim Burton style? Will they make it even darker and more brooding? How about they dont bother? For goodness sakes the telecine hasnt even dried yet for the Nolan films. Im not a huge fan of Nolans films either but I thought he handled batman quite well.

This is just getting out of control. How many different "paths" can these superhero films take? Its like based on the String theory and multiverse theory.

[dennismenace]

As long as WB getting money - reboots are always possible.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by dennismenace

As long as WB getting money - reboots are always possible.

No doubt there - from a business perspective, they'll reboot these things every 5-7 years. If thats what people want and will pay for it, so be it. Im not playing though. Ive had enough.

[ManWithNoUsername]

A reboot is inevitable. It's a guaranteed fact this will get rebooted, but it will take quite a bit of time I think.

I think the right approach is keep it gritty and violent, but none of Nolan's dull rules about not doing anything supernatural. It limits it too much and rules out too many of Batman's awesome enemies.

Open it up a bit more, and definitely get more creative visually. Not like Schumachers, but definitely more than Nolan's. I think these new movies have strong stories, but are really dull visually, aside from the Narrows which was awesome. TDK was lame. It was just Batman running around Chicago. ZZZZzzzz
Sorry thats not good enough for Batman.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by ManWithNoUsername

A reboot is inevitable. It's a guaranteed fact this will get rebooted, but it will take quite a bit of time I think.

I think the right approach is keep it gritty and violent, but none of Nolan's dull rules about not doing anything supernatural. It limits it too much and rules out too many of Batman's awesome enemies.

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Meh - I never liked supernatural stuff in these types of films. It lets the filmm makers cheat and conveniently have something supernatural happen to make the plot jive or whatever.

I suppose if a specific villain needs it then fine...but...I dunno.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by mlittle3

Batman simply isn't as interesting as the villains.

Never was, never will be.

He is more interesting as a symbol. Although Nolan's take on Bruce Wayne is pretty fun to watch.

I think Nolan did a good job with it in Batman Begins, but that's just about the limit on how interesting Batman can be all by himself. From there, the interest in the character is seeing how his brooding idealism bounces off of other, more dynamic characters.

The easiest way to do this is with eccentric antagonists. Batman is immutable, so the interest comes from the villain pushing on him. But that's not the only way. He's also a very interesting character to see interact with other heroes. So far, we've only seen Batman interact with Gordon in the Nolan films. He's done a good job with that, but there's so much more. I'd love to see a movie where Batman and Superman butt heads. The animated series in the 90s did a great job with their first crossover there. I'd love to see how Batman feels about an entire team of superpowered beings that he doesn't fit in with. I'd love to see Batman as the [perhaps unintentional] patriarch of an entire family of Badass Normal heroes/vigilantes.

[BStecke]

^^Good post (why don't we have a like feature?).

One of the things I always like about the Justice League is that, even though Batman could be easily crushed by any of them, he's still viewed as an equal by beings that are basically gods, and even when they do push on him a bit, he never backs down to them. I always liked that dynamic.

[Rambaldi47]

I love the idea of a Batman Beyond movie, with Michael Keaton as the elderly Bruce Wayne. The only thing is that they should import some of Batman's classic villains, because Beyond didn't have that many great ones. I think a live-action version of the neo-Gotham would look amazing!!

[toddly6666]

Do Batman Beyond fans mainly like Batman Beyond because they watched the Batman Beyond cartoon?

I just don't get the appeal. It's like the same as making a movie of Spiderman 2099 or Scarlett Spider.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

Do Batman Beyond fans mainly like Batman Beyond because they watched the Batman Beyond cartoon?

I just don't get the appeal. It's like the same as making a movie of Spiderman 2099 or Scarlett Spider.

I think Batman Beyond is just a great idea, and the series executed it very well. If you can do it correctly as a film, it has the chance to be very cool, very different, and a visual feast. I think it would be a good way to separate itself from the Nolan films as a reboot. That way you aren't having to tell the Bruce Wayne story again.