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Old 11-08-2012, 05:36 AM   #421
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Being the 2 is in a bigger enclosure with extra drivers,it probably sounds a bit bigger,but not a whole lot diff.

I went to BB tonight and listened to the ML ESL's,monitor 40's,def tech 8040,8060,B&W 684's. The B&W's did nothing for me. The ESL's sounded good,they were hardly in the best position tho. They absolutely need a sub. The 40's had a lot more of a full sound. Better bass also. I threw on the def tech's and they just destroyed everything.I realize they have subs in them,so I used a sub for the other speakers but not for the def tech's. The 8040's sounded just a bit smaller than the 8060,probably exactly how the GE 2's sound against the 3's. The bipolar def tech's lit up the back wall. Its a nice effect. I had the 8060's,I liked them but they still sound sharp in the treble,almost like movie theater sharp. Maybe if you turned the treble down -1 it would take it away. The mirages don't have that. I still have the HD 8060 center channel.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:14 AM   #422
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Yes, the Triton 3 & 2 are similar and share speakers but the 2 have a bit different sound that is all I am saying I am done with it now. Did you listen to the B&W CM9? BB really does suck though.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:13 PM   #423
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I've heard the CM9, they sound good,but they don't really do anything for me. Its funny how some reviewers say the tweeter sounds airy. I think is sounds hollow.. I'm not a fan.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:41 PM   #424
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my local BB will allow you to move the speakers to hear them better but most of the speakers there are not setup correctly. They do have one room where things are setup pretty well. The CMs are OK, I do prefer the 600s as I think the value is much better and performance isnt that far off from the CMs to warrant the price increase. I have heard the CM9s next to a pair of Studio 100s as well. I thought perhaps the bass was a little tighter on the 9s, but the 100s highs were more open and mid-range slightly cleaner.

Have not heard a GE speaker, and have heard DT speakers, but they dont move me. Have not heard the new Motion speakers, but would like to.
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Old 11-08-2012, 03:54 PM   #425
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The DT's blow the ML Motion 40's away. The 40's sound good if you listen without comparing them to the DT's. The DT's light up the wall behind them,makes the sound nice and big. I'm sure if you turned the sub down to zero it would probably sound like the other ,maybe worse,but it was a big difference. The DT's sound really good,but like I said before,not as smooth as the Mirages..
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:04 PM   #426
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The DT's blow the ML Motion 40's away. The 40's sound good if you listen without comparing them to the DT's. The DT's light up the wall behind them,makes the sound nice and big. I'm sure if you turned the sub down to zero it would probably sound like the other ,maybe worse,but it was a big difference. The DT's sound really good,but like I said before,not as smooth as the Mirages..
the best DT setup I have heard was Big Daddy's. I have heard the older 7000 series and the new 8000 series. I have heard from the lowest model to the 8080 as well. The newer ones IMO are fine for HT, and thats what they are really intended for IMO, but they dont convey music the way I would prefer. I think GE, based on user and pro reviews, built speakers to be more musical but still excellent for HT use.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:18 PM   #427
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The Motion 40s have some serious issues. Check out these measurements. Notice the enormous 10dB dip in between 1kHz and 500Hz in the listening window graph (3rd one down). That's smack in the middle of the human vocal range, and a lot of instruments as well. Not good. Also, the impedance graph makes it look like a bit of a tough load. 4-5 ohm nominal.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:27 PM   #428
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That's just weird. Wouldn't you think they would have addressed that before they went into production? The problem with GE's is they are more for music,HT was an after thought. There is no way that small center stack up with the Mirage C2. I know what Bluevette thinks of it. I'd have to hear it to believe it.
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Old 11-08-2012, 04:52 PM   #429
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That's just weird. Wouldn't you think they would have addressed that before they went into production? The problem with GE's is they are more for music,HT was an after thought. There is no way that small center stack up with the Mirage C2. I know what Bluevette thinks of it. I'd have to hear it to believe it.
to me the GE SAT50 center or whatever its called, looks like its basically a soundbar/center channel and it could probably be decent. My center channel isnt large either, but having had the larger Dynaudio Focus 200C in my room at the same time as my X22, it stood up to the 200C pretty well. So I wont ever think that just because something is bigger its automatically better. Which is why Im in no hurry to change out my center channel even tho I bought the Focus 160s.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:02 PM   #430
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The problem I have with the 50,is you can use it for LRC,its more for flat panel screens. I don't like that kind of design. If you have a small room it might be ok,but there is no way its getting as much sound in the room as a bigger dedicated center. Having said that,if you used height speakers with it ,that would probably work well.
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Old 11-08-2012, 05:38 PM   #431
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the best DT setup I have heard was Big Daddy's. I have heard the older 7000 series and the new 8000 series. I have heard from the lowest model to the 8080 as well. The newer ones IMO are fine for HT, and thats what they are really intended for IMO, but they dont convey music the way I would prefer. I think GE, based on user and pro reviews, built speakers to be more musical but still excellent for HT use.
+1 I agree on the DT's. They do great in HT but lack on the music front.

I had the Newton T 300's from Cambridge Audio for years and The DT's just sound very thin to them.

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Old 11-09-2012, 01:30 AM   #432
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What did you like about them better. If you take away the built in subs,cause that doesn't count if your gonna use a sub with other speakers.

well for two channel with my turntable it's night and day. the axioms were great but the goldenears just sound sublime to me. obviously the bass is just tons better. even when I throw on pandora with the reciever it's just stupid nice.

when it comes to home theater the imaging is better and the highs are not as shrill but they seem to be "sharper" "higher" "cleaner". i get a bit more envelopment and 3d sound basically.

so far I'm thrilled and did get the supersat50c and sticking with it. still breaking them in, but very happy with the upgrade. my pics are old now. don't have the wides and my reciever is a denon 3312.

gotta go finish live free or die harder . I'll update the pics hopefully this weekend.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:38 AM   #433
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Nice, can't wait to see the new pictures.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:02 AM   #434
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Vanorage, you need to your Sig.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:39 PM   #435
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Vanorage, you need to your Sig.
Goat1, you need to complete your sentence's. Or dont understand you saying. words missing in my sentence (we, what, are)
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:08 PM   #436
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Ya I just saw that.. I must have been tired.. He needs to update his sig.. Hows that Reilly? You squid..
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:27 PM   #437
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Goat1, you need to complete your sentence's. Or dont understand you saying. words missing in my sentence (we, what, are)
Ha, considering some of the grammar around here, I wouldn't be so quick to judge.
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:42 PM   #439
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People make mistakes broheims.. Just look at all the people that voted for Obama.. Nothing like winning over poor people,and minorities by giving away free stuff.
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:19 PM   #440
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People make mistakes broheims.. Just look at all the people that voted for Obama.. Nothing like winning over poor people,and minorities by giving away free stuff.
C'mon, no politics here. It'll get ugly, then. Moving on...finished my review of the Triton Threes in the past week. Not my cup of tea, but objectively a very good speaker. Lot of performance for $2k.
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