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I'm curious: over-rated by whom? Seems to me that critics "over-rate" different director than the general movie-going public.
Of course, the average filmgoer has never historically been very interested in the director and more by the stars. The exception seems to be a select few populist directors with repeated box office success (say the Spielbergs and Ron Howards) and, lately, modern high-concept films (whether its the Bays, Nolans or -- more recently -- Whedons). When you start breaking it down, people tend to over-rate what they enjoy and, perhaps defensively, under-rate what they don't. If I'm a "snob" I may over-rate Fincher, Scorsese and -- to prove my bona fides -- Kurosawa and Bergman. If I'm a "Joe Six-Pack" I may instead over-rate Michael Bay and Zach Snyder -- tossing in Scorsese and Hitchcock to similarly demonstrate that my tastes are more well-rounded than it may seem to those who disagree with me. For my part, my favorite songwriter and performer overall is Bob Dylan. What I perhaps love most about him is that for those with enough wax in our ears to actually enjoy his work you must acknowledge that he is both over-rated and under-rated, often by the same fan. It has certainly helped me temper my views. My favorite contemporary film makers are the Coen Brothers. I think A Serious Man is under-rated and No Country for Old Men is over-rated. Luckily for me, I love/like both equally. tl;dr? DVD Profiler SD/HD/UHD Library • My Criterion • FlickChart Rankings
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It makes it reasonable to build a consensus that they're acceptable to elitists and folks who just want to be entertained. DVD Profiler SD/HD/UHD Library • My Criterion • FlickChart Rankings
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People were sending reviewers death threats for giving Dark Knight Rises negative reviews. I don't think he's really overrated, just that his cultish fans put him too high on a pedestal.
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but i've said in another post that if i could only take a single director's body of work to a desert island where i could never watch anything else, it would be the work of the Coen Bros...
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Malick is merely puzzling, and gets viewers often impatient and frustated, beyond that he is one of the greats invariably. See his films a few times over, you'll get the things you missed, as if you have the capacity to get through the directors you listed than surely one day you'll get through Malick. Great point to be noted in this thread, same thing in the case of Nolan in my book. Last edited by Scholer; 11-10-2012 at 02:25 AM. |
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[QUOTE=Scholer;6720468]I hate to break it up, but if you consider no similarity in status between the directors you listed and Malick then you don't understand Cinema. In a sense a single Malick film can end up being as important, as all the films directed by all the directors you listed, combined!/QUOTE]
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I don't understand what you meant, anyway - no, Malick isn't any of those directors, but he has never tried to be; the wonderful thing about Malick is that he creates his own incomprehensible style that, although influenced by the great directors, never imitates them. His narratives are ambiguous on purpose - he wants the audiences to think about cinema, not to just sit there passively watching lots of explosions and gunfights without any thought. Is that a bad thing? Sure, sometimes his films come very close to the pretentious mark, but that doesn't make him a bad director. I, personally, don't love -- or even understand -- all his films, but I think the praise he gets is something he deserves because he really does craft some intelligent and thought-provoking films. I think you're confusing over-rated with directors you don't personally like here. You're entitled to your own opinion but no one can argue that Orson Welles is an over-rated director. Ever. And Len Wiseman? Seriously? Has he even been rated? "The secret to film is that it's all an illusion..." |
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Agreed - its is his fanboy-base thats "over rated". His films are good but I wouldnt call him one of the best ever. I also wouldnt say hes over rated.
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By saying something is overrated one is essentially arguing that the judgment of others is wrong...that others have rated this, that or whatever too highly.
This is tricky enough to begin with but doing this on the basis of tastes and preferences alone borders on silly. To base the conclusion that a director is overrated simply and solely because you don't like his or her films is no different than claiming chocolate is overrated because it gives you hives.
And I have been fortunate to escape what has been called “that form of snobbery which can accept the Literature of Entertainment in the Past, but only the Literature of the Enlightenment in the Present.” - Raymond Chandler
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It would be no different than claiming chocolate is overrated because you don't like it. Which is a good reason to call chocolate overrated. That's a good point. |
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Sure there is. I can begin by recognizing that my personal tastes and preferences are not the One True Measure by which all movies or music or food or what have you are to be judged. I can try to be more objective (and in this context I'm using objective in its 'free from passion or prejudice' sense, not in its 'a foot is twelve inches no matter who's doing the measuring' sense) than that.
For instance, contrast the following conversations... People shouldn't eat hot dogs. Why not? They're high in sodium which has been linked to hypertension and heart disease and processed meats have also been linked to increased risk of various cancers. People shouldn't eat hot dogs. Why not? I don't like them, they're gross. I don't particularly care for slasher movies. Does that in and of itself mean any and all slasher movies are overrated? Of course not. That would be a ridiculously self-absorbed standard. If I want to say you're wrong to like a movie or a director or a song or a restaurant it really is imcumbent upon me to come up with something a little more compelling than 'I don't like it'.
And I have been fortunate to escape what has been called “that form of snobbery which can accept the Literature of Entertainment in the Past, but only the Literature of the Enlightenment in the Present.” - Raymond Chandler
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