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Old 11-15-2012, 12:26 AM   #1
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I just had a brain wave. Actually last weekend.

I have always loved my setup. It is a lot of fun and out performs any cinema in my area.

However the fuss gene in me has had just one pet hate and I always believe in getting things perfect.

I get a bit of a distraction from reflected light on to my speakers from my projection screen. See below.



It is not distracting in bright scenes. Because the image is sooooooo bright you don't notice it on the speakers. However on some dark scenes it becomes a little distracting.

So my idea was. What if the screen was in front of the Center Channel? What a bloody great idea.




NOTE: Black felt on Center Channel to stop reflection

No reflection of Center Channel
No reflection of Main Speakers
Screen will be closer so bigger ratio. I will now sit at 1:1 image width back (same distance from screen as it's width) BIG.
No line of sight to the two silver IR remote senders in wall. One for rack, One for Remote lighting.
The picture will just appear to be floating in the room.

So how do I do that????

Well I'm going to do this.
I'm going to get made 2x wooden Cube shelf units that are going to be mounted on the wall behind the screen. Like this:


Photo taken on an angle. They will be cubes not a triangle looking thing above.

The screen will be then mounted on these cubes. Which will put the screen in front of all speakers. The cube shelves will not be seen from sitting position, they will be located right behind. They are going to be open backed and I am going to install two lights behind the screen so it shines through them also on the floor. Control will be rigged to the remote lighting.
The cubes will also act as extra storage for Blu-ray Collectibles, Manuals and Remotes.

What do you think?

I will keep posting as the project moves along.

Ta Dono
Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
Amplification: Marantz SR7009(Atmos), 2x Marantz MM7055's (10 amps bi-amping 5 channels).
Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
Headgear: Woo WA22 (tube amp), Oppo HA-1 (DAC and amp), Audeze LCD-3.

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Old 11-15-2012, 12:41 AM   #2
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I'm all for HT projects, but wouldn't it be easier to build around the speakers and paint match the wall?

Or even a false wall for the front of your room?
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:54 AM   #3
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^

Not really with carpet and everything laid down. I don't really want to hide the speakers also. I love their look.

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Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
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Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:14 AM   #4
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It wasn't quite clear to me, are you replacing the screen with an acoustically transparent one? You will loose considerable audio quality if you simply place your existing screen in front of your centre channel.

I'm clearly a supporter of having your speakers behind the screen, I believe that's where they belong
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It wasn't quite clear to me, are you replacing the screen with an acoustically transparent one? You will loose considerable audio quality if you simply place your existing screen in front of your centre channel.

I'm clearly a supporter of having your speakers behind the screen, I believe that's where they belong
No it will be the same screen. However instead of the screen sitting behind the speaker. It will sit just in front of it. About 1-2mm. So it will still look like this photo.





The screen will cover the top inch of the center speaker. No drivers will get covered.

Ta Dono
Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
Amplification: Marantz SR7009(Atmos), 2x Marantz MM7055's (10 amps bi-amping 5 channels).
Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
Headgear: Woo WA22 (tube amp), Oppo HA-1 (DAC and amp), Audeze LCD-3.

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Old 11-16-2012, 02:52 AM   #6
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I just had a brain wave. Actually last weekend.

I have always loved my setup. It is a lot of fun and out performs any cinema in my area.

However the fuss gene in me has had just one pet hate and I always believe in getting things perfect.

I get a bit of a distraction from reflected light on to my speakers from my projection screen. See below.



It is not distracting in bright scenes. Because the image is sooooooo bright you don't notice it on the speakers. However on some dark scenes it becomes a little distracting.

So my idea was. What if the screen was in front of the Center Channel? What a bloody great idea.




NOTE: Black felt on Center Channel to stop reflection

No reflection of Center Channel
No reflection of Main Speakers
Screen will be closer so bigger ratio. I will now sit at 1:1 image width back (same distance from screen as it's width) BIG.
No line of sight to the two silver IR remote senders in wall. One for rack, One for Remote lighting.
The picture will just appear to be floating in the room.

So how do I do that????

Well I'm going to do this.
I'm going to get made 2x wooden Cube shelf units that are going to be mounted on the wall behind the screen. Like this:


Photo taken on an angle. They will be cubes not a triangle looking thing above.

The screen will be then mounted on these cubes. Which will put the screen in front of all speakers. The cube shelves will not be seen from sitting position, they will be located right behind. They are going to be open backed and I am going to install two lights behind the screen so it shines through them also on the floor. Control will be rigged to the remote lighting.
The cubes will also act as extra storage for Blu-ray Collectibles, Manuals and Remotes.

What do you think?

I will keep posting as the project moves along.

Ta Dono
Looks great as does your set up mate colour me green with envy
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Old 11-25-2012, 09:59 PM   #7
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Okay,

I did stage 1 of my Screen adjustment in the weekend. If I bring my screen forward I will get reflection off the ceiling. Below is what it use to look like.



Below: So I extended my black ceiling panel. It is covering most of it now. Popped lights and smoke detector. Masked off area to be painted. I have gone for the deepest darkest Matt black. I wanted it to contrast with the first panel. I will go for this colour for the whole room when I repaint next year.







Below: Finished result with everything put back together. Two coats of paint.





And what it looks like with a movie going. bugger all reflection at all now. Really feels like that cave experience. Just need to pull my screen forward now to stop any speaker reflection.

Photo taken right at the back of the room, straight under the projector


Photo taken from seat


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Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
Amplification: Marantz SR7009(Atmos), 2x Marantz MM7055's (10 amps bi-amping 5 channels).
Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
Headgear: Woo WA22 (tube amp), Oppo HA-1 (DAC and amp), Audeze LCD-3.
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:58 AM   #8
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Why not just hang the screen from the ceiling?

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Why not just hang the screen from the ceiling?

Bill
That is exactly what I am going to do. I just want a more professional look with see through shelving on the side as well.

Ta Dono
Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
Amplification: Marantz SR7009(Atmos), 2x Marantz MM7055's (10 amps bi-amping 5 channels).
Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
Headgear: Woo WA22 (tube amp), Oppo HA-1 (DAC and amp), Audeze LCD-3.
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Old 12-04-2012, 01:05 AM   #10
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Okay, It is all on this weekend.

My cubes have arrived.



I have also got more black as black paint to match the ceiling block. It will blend from the ceiling down the front wall.

Just need to go and get a new paint roller some mounting bolts and then I'm all ready. I will get the project done this weekend (I have the whole weekend free). Will post some photo's as I do it.

Ta Dono
Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
Amplification: Marantz SR7009(Atmos), 2x Marantz MM7055's (10 amps bi-amping 5 channels).
Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
Headgear: Woo WA22 (tube amp), Oppo HA-1 (DAC and amp), Audeze LCD-3.

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Old 12-09-2012, 08:40 PM   #11
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Okay my weekends work. 19 hours in total. Love the result

All the stuff from the front to the back



Front wall. A bit of a mess behind the screen. I tidied this all up. Re-stopped and painted



1st coat of paint. Note# the cut in angle from the roof to the front wall. I really like the effect. Inviting.



Second coat of paint almost dry. Went off to sleep for a few hours.



This is what makes me proud to be a kiwi. We think outside the square. This is my bedside cabinet and my car jack used to hold the first lot of new cubes in position.



First cubes up. I used 5 M8 Bolts straight into Roof and Wall stud. They are never going to move. Took all my strength to screw them in. Got blisters.



Second lot done the same way



My wife is going to love me. I pinched her leather placemats to hold my center speaker.



Speaker into position. Has to go in before screen



Screen up. Made sure screen didn't cover any Center drivers. All good



Getting things back. Like a cave now. Note extra storage on side of screen



Photo from back. Notice speakers just blend into back wall colour. No reflection will now go on speakers from screen as they are behind



Finished results. Note how close to the screen now. 1:1 Screen width ratio. Same as imax













Re Zoomed and Focused my projector. First movie was Prometheus. With my legs put up on my seat I felt like I was standing in the picture. It was a real amazing experience.

Ta Dono
Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
Amplification: Marantz SR7009(Atmos), 2x Marantz MM7055's (10 amps bi-amping 5 channels).
Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
Headgear: Woo WA22 (tube amp), Oppo HA-1 (DAC and amp), Audeze LCD-3.

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Old 12-09-2012, 09:07 PM   #12
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Amazing job you did there man! I can tell you put a lot of work and love into that room and setup. Even from a 2D photo, it looks almost like it's floating, and I would think that having your front soundstage coming from about the same distance as the screen should help anchor it more to the screen, as opposed to having them out front.

Nice job!
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Amazing job you did there man! I can tell you put a lot of work and love into that room and setup. Even from a 2D photo, it looks almost like it's floating, and I would think that having your front soundstage coming from about the same distance as the screen should help anchor it more to the screen, as opposed to having them out front.

Nice job!
Thanks my man. A lot of hard work but worth it. Now to bring on all my new Black Friday movies.

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Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
Amplification: Marantz SR7009(Atmos), 2x Marantz MM7055's (10 amps bi-amping 5 channels).
Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
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That has some great ingenuity! Great idea.

Did you consider a tab tension electric screen mounted to the joists before constructing your mounts?
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Great Job Dono

I like everything you have done & am sure that Black wall/ceiling & having the fronts behind the screen will make for a whole different experience.

Time for some screen shots Buddy
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That has some great ingenuity! Great idea.

Did you consider a tab tension electric screen mounted to the joists before constructing your mounts?
Thanks,

No I didn't. That is also a great idea.

I'm happy with this tho. Can't wait for my next movie. Bloody large picture and so far I haven't spotted any pixel structure. Great projector.

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Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
Amplification: Marantz SR7009(Atmos), 2x Marantz MM7055's (10 amps bi-amping 5 channels).
Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
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Time for some screen shots Buddy
It sure is. Brent and I are real screen shot sluts.

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Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
Amplification: Marantz SR7009(Atmos), 2x Marantz MM7055's (10 amps bi-amping 5 channels).
Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
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That turned out fantastic, well done

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^^^

Thanks Mate.

Okay, Just finished up some minor things on my project last night.

I ripped out the silver lights in the ceiling and painted them Matt black. I used car exhaust spray paint that is designed to handle extreme heat. Worked well.









Also I have this at the entrance to the Theatre.



However I needed something on the door itself. Nice pic aye.
It is block mounted. I kept it small so I wouldn't loose resolution.






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Source: iPod 160G in Arcam DrDock, 2x Oppo BDP-103D's (Blu-ray, CD, SACD and DVD Audio), PS3 and PS4.
Amplification: Marantz SR7009(Atmos), 2x Marantz MM7055's (10 amps bi-amping 5 channels).
Speakers (Atmos 5.3.2): 4 x Polk RTiA7's, Polk CSP 1000, 2x Atlantic TLC-8.2, Polk PSW 1200, 2x SVS SB Ultra 13's and triple buttkicker system.
Projection: Dreamvision Yunzi + 3 Tentation Ltd. Ed.
Headgear: Woo WA22 (tube amp), Oppo HA-1 (DAC and amp), Audeze LCD-3.
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Looking great! Those changes add a nice touch to your HT room op!
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