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Old 11-26-2012, 03:12 PM   #581
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I am a big fan of Nolan's Batman films. I'd call myself a die-hard. I've seen Batman Begins and The Dark Knight more times than I can count and I went to see The Dark Knight Rises twice in IMAX and twice in regular theaters. Yup, i'm a nerd, lol. Anyways, here is my opinion. Nolan's movies weren't even Batman movies in my opinion. They were crime sagas with Nolan's versions of Batman characters included.

There is definitely an opportunity here for them to make a version of Batman that is more like the comics. Burton almost hit the nail on the head. The way Gotham looked in his movies were perfect. For some reason though the movies just didn't work that well as a complete movie.

So yeah, I love Nolan's movies. It's my Batman. Those are the three movies that I'll love forever but I'll never swear off a new vision for no reason. They have still yet to make a Batman that completely captures the essence and the characterizations of the comic-book. I'm thinking like Batman Arkham City style. You know who could do it? Darren Aronofsky.
I feel like the BEST example of comic book "feel" is going to be Zach Snyder. I cant wait to see how he does Superman and would LOVE to see his version on Batman. If he could make a Batman like the Watchmen or 300 "feel" it would be EPIC!
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Old 11-26-2012, 03:36 PM   #582
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And Jack Nicholson will always be the Joker to me. Ledger, unfortunately just didn't convince me.
Talk about having high expectations out of a performance
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I feel like the BEST example of comic book "feel" is going to be Zach Snyder. I cant wait to see how he does Superman and would LOVE to see his version on Batman. If he could make a Batman like the Watchmen or 300 "feel" it would be EPIC!
I agree. Snyder's Man of Steel should be something special with Nolan and Goyer's writing and Snyder's visual talent. This should be nothing short of amazing.
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I dunno - doesnt there being 3 or 4 or however many versions start to dumb the whole thing down? I personally like having some sort of "cannon" when it comes to this stuff. Imagine LOTR made 2-3 times and in one version, Frodo tosses the ring in without any "corecing"? That changes the entire story and character. Then, in another version something completely different happens., What if a different Star Wars was made where Anakin stayed good or something? I just cant deal with muitlple versions of the same thing with slightly different tones. I suppose a strict comic version may be OK to have for the diehard comic fans but there aint enough comic readers to justify catering to them.

The Nolan Batman stuff is the "right" version for me and always will be. I just dont see how they could top it. Sure, thay can milk more money out of people and thats all good. But, at some point, dont these reboots, remakes, and re-imaginings start to blur togther? How crazy would be to ask a friend or family member someday: "Hey, you want to watch Batman?" which now entails figuring "which" of the 8 versions to watch. Lame, IMO.
Not a solid analogy at all, since LOTR is 3 specific books, and Batman has 60 years of stories.

That's great if Nolan's films are "right" for you, but they certainly aren't the comic book character that's been around for 60 years. They can be easily topped, with more faithful characters and way less plot holes.
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Talk about having high expectations out of a performance
Ledger's performance was excellent no doubt about that. I just liked Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker more. No harm in that I think.
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Ledger's performance was excellent no doubt about that. I just liked Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker more. No harm in that I think.
I look at like this....

I see their performances as great in their own respects. Different movies and different approaches and different takes....

At the time, no one but Nicholson could've pulled that portrayal off. He was the best and only choice for the role. With Ledger and the new movie, you needed someone who really jumped into the Joker's skin. Mostly because of Nicholson's performance, up till then, was unrivaled and to compete with it is a bad idea. It was the only way to see the Joker in TDK... Heath had to become the Joker. He couldn't just play the Joker...

If I had to choose, ofcourse I'd pick Ledger because of how the Joker was more like what I wanted to see.
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Shouldn't we have an announced director for JLA by now, if that were the case?
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I just hope we get Gordon Levitt back he proved himself in my op.
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Shouldn't we have an announced director for JLA by now, if that were the case?
WB is furiously hunting for one. The 2015 year is pretty firmly set right now for them, so I'm sure we'll hear an announcement before too long.
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Not a solid analogy at all, since LOTR is 3 specific books, and Batman has 60 years of stories.

That's great if Nolan's films are "right" for you, but they certainly aren't the comic book character that's been around for 60 years. They can be easily topped, with more faithful characters and way less plot holes.
Its fair for me to admit that I am not a comic reader so the Nolan storyline is "it" for me. I do know that Batty has been around for a while though, Im sure there are a zillion things they could do.

Why not a new TV series based on the comics? Might be the best way to cover lots of material.
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Its fair for me to admit that I am not a comic reader so the Nolan storyline is "it" for me. I do know that Batty has been around for a while though, Im sure there are a zillion things they could do.

Why not a new TV series based on the comics? Might be the best way to cover lots of material.
And to think if the never make another movie crowd got what they wanted after the 89 Batman... We'd have never seen Nolan's work, and maybe in 10 years we get an even more epic take. Point is, trying new takes on a series is worth a shot.
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I hope this Batman has some style and embraces the comic book world of Batman. Technology is cheaper these days so making a fully realized Gothic-architectural Gotham city is now possible. They really need to bring back the Batman music as well, making Batman movies without it is like making Bond without the iconic music.
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2014 was always supposed to be the Green Lantern sequel, but we know how that turned out.
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And to think if the never make another movie crowd got what they wanted after the 89 Batman... We'd have never seen Nolan's work, and maybe in 10 years we get an even more epic take. Point is, trying new takes on a series is worth a shot.
It just depends on the timing - they try to reboot the series in 2016 or whatever and the problem will be that Nolan is stuck in the mind of a generation. Yes, people didn't want a new Batman take after Burton did it, but just look how long the gap was before they tried a new approach -- if they leave that long, it'll get a better reception. Problem is, with the Superman and JLA movie coming so soon, I'm not sure they have the time to wait a decade...
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Not a solid analogy at all, since LOTR is 3 specific books, and Batman has 60 years of stories.

That's great if Nolan's films are "right" for you, but they certainly aren't the comic book character that's been around for 60 years. They can be easily topped, with more faithful characters and way less plot holes.
Have you read a Batman comic? Read year one, Last Laugh and the Killing Joke and even The Dark Knight Returns, you can see where Nolan got alot of his material.
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It just depends on the timing - they try to reboot the series in 2016 or whatever and the problem will be that Nolan is stuck in the mind of a generation. Yes, people didn't want a new Batman take after Burton did it, but just look how long the gap was before they tried a new approach -- if they leave that long, it'll get a better reception. Problem is, with the Superman and JLA movie coming so soon, I'm not sure they have the time to wait a decade...
Batman and Robin (97) was only 8 years till Batman Begins (05)... 4-8 year wait seems plenty long to me.

Also Burton to B&R that was a lifetime ago in super hero movie making. As we all know now, its pretty established thanks to what Spider-Man started how to make a decent big budget superhero movie.
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Batman and Robin (97) was only 8 years till Batman Begins (05)... 4-8 year wait seems plenty long to me.

Also Burton to B&R that was a lifetime ago in super hero movie making. As we all know now, its pretty established thanks to what Spider-Man started how to make a decent big budget superhero movie.
Yeah, but I really don't count Batman and Robin as a Batman film in the same vein as the Burton ones -- for me, it's simply a throw-back to the camp Adam West TV serials. IMO you can't have something that tonally different in the same series. Burton's and Schumacher's Batman films simply don't go together.

And, the whole Spiderman thing to me was a terrible debacle -- you can't reboot a series that close together. That was proven, for me, when The Amazing Spider-Man (although a perfectly good film) simply didn't distinguish itself enough from Raimi's and pretty much travelled the same cinematic path. I liked it a lot, but it simply wasn't different enough to be taken as seriously as when Raimi first introduced his Spiderman in 2002. That's the problem Batman might have -- yes, there's more backstory in the comics that Nolan didn't use, but it was such a huge hit that WB can't ignore the effect it had on a whole generation. Rebooting now would be very problematic for them.
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