Set speakers to 'Small' or 'Large' ?

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by PS3FAN

Thanks for the info guys. I set it to 80hz and I notice there's less bass. When I had it at 120hz it kinda had bass but it was never really fulfilled. Should I go lower, higher, what?

Originally Posted by frogmort

I didn't realize that. If that's the case, I would think 120hz would probably be about right.

I think you had it dead on when you were on 120hz since your quitet III surrounds actually don't go much lower than 110hz.

Yes more material intended for front speakers will go to the Sub and since the sub has the bigger driver it will certainly sound like you have more bass at 120 hz.

Depends on the speakers you have.

[davidp71]

I have Paradigm monitor 7's v.6's for my fronts, should they be set to large or small?

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by davidp71

I have Paradigm monitor 7's v.6's for my fronts, should they be set to large or small?

Very few speakers should be set to Large. Even if they can handle deep bass, the L/R speakers have to be positioned for imaging, which may not be optimal for bass performance. You can put your sub(s) where they work best for bass response.

[tbizzle]

Originally Posted by davidp71

I have Paradigm monitor 7's v.6's for my fronts, should they be set to large or small?

How much bass you want?

Small with a crossover of 80Hz is recommended if you want your sub to handle most of the heavy lifting, or you can set them to Large if you want them to take on as much bass as they can. However, at Large there might be an issue with the two cancelling each other out at certain frequencies so you can experiment with it and see what sounds best to you, but small at 80Hz or even down to 60Hz if you want a bit extra is what I'd recommend

[midrange]

Originally Posted by minorcomplex

I got the Klipsch B-3's, C-2, S-2's, and Sub-10. The S-2's are about 6 feet away from my listening point, and the B-3's are about 9 feet away, and 8 feet apart from each other.

It also set my fronts to small, but the bass out to "both". I set it back for bass to come out of the sub only, was I correct in doing this? Thanks in advance.

I also have a full Klipsch set up. I just found this thread and was reading through. I have no clue what Klipsch I have as far as B3-C2, as you posted. I am reading the manuals right now to find out what I have and what they can handle. The manual doesn't state those specs, but it does say that they are full range loudspeakers and can be set to large, but Klipsch receommends for better overall performance, to set to small if you have a sub.

With me having a pioneer system, I run mine on Large with my sub on Plus.

Edit - My speakers are RF10, RB10 and RC10.

[Parula]

Hi folks! I'm running the following from my Yamaha Rx-a3000 receiver :

Klipsch RF 7 ll towers ... 30 hz +- 3 db (present crossover 60 hz)
Klipsch RC64 ll center ... 59 hz +- 3 db (present crossover 80 hz)
Def Tech BP 7004 surrounds 17 hz (present crossover 40 hz) (note: the built in subs in the Def Techs are plugged in but not output from the receiver's LFE.)
Bowers & Wilkins CM-5 rear surrounds 52 hz +- 3 db (present crossover 60 hz)
Def Tech Pro-sub 1000 (2) (Low pass set all the way up to 150 hz.)

Should I leave these as is or should all speakers be set at the same crossover? If the same, would 60 or 80 hz be best for my system?

Thanks for this great thread.

Michelle

[midrange]

After reading many posts on this thread, it has come to my attention that 80 is the number to stick with. It is also what is recommended by THX for sound quality.

ALso what has been said to play around with your settings to get it sounding the best for you.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by midrange

I also have a full Klipsch set up. I just found this thread and was reading through. I have no clue what Klipsch I have as far as B3-C2, as you posted. I am reading the manuals right now to find out what I have and what they can handle. The manual doesn't state those specs, but it does say that they are full range loudspeakers and can be set to large, but Klipsch receommends for better overall performance, to set to small if you have a sub.

With me having a pioneer system, I run mine on Large with my sub on Plus.

I'm not sure that is a good idea. It sounds like another way of saying double bass, which is not a good idea.

I'm thinking you should really find out which klipsch speakers you have and post that in the Klipsch thread and see if we can do some tweaks to make it sound it's best.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/65...rs-thread.html

[Parula]

From everything I've read here, if you are connecting a sub to the receiver's LFE output, you should bass manage by setting all speakers to small and then set the individual crossovers. I also read that all speakers should be set to the same crossover frequency to prevent "holes" in your frequency range.

[midrange]

Originally Posted by HAMP

I'm not sure that is a good idea. It sounds like another way of saying double bass, which is not a good idea.

I'm thinking you should really find out which klipsch speakers you have and post that in the Klipsch thread and see if we can do some tweaks to make it sound it's best.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/65...rs-thread.html

Thanks for that Klipsch thread. Heres the thing, the speakers easily handle the bass. It makes for great sound up front because I do not run my sub up front, I run it behind me. (back left side of couch in corner) So the bass it puts out up front doesn't cancel anything, and the bass behind me rumbles to good stuff! lol Makes for great sound. I did post it on the Klipsch thread tho.

[smeesmay]

Originally Posted by midrange

Thanks for that Klipsch thread. Heres the thing, the speakers easily handle the bass. It makes for great sound up front because I do not run my sub up front, I run it behind me. (back left side of couch in corner) So the bass it puts out up front doesn't cancel anything, and the bass behind me rumbles to good stuff! lol Makes for great sound. I did post it on the Klipsch thread tho.

bass is not directional. It may be louder only because it is closer. the canceling is the physical leveling out of a certain frequency. Now if your running some stereo music and want the full value, run your fronts on large for that only.

[Parula]

Hey Smee. I've actually done that ... listened to a CD in stereo and changed the crossover to "Full". I miss hearing the sub kick in though. My receiver has settings called 2 or 7 channel stereo which utilize the subs or in the case of 7 channel, all of my speakers. It's fun to experiment!

[Parula]

Originally Posted by HAMP

I'm not sure that is a good idea. It sounds like another way of saying double bass, which is not a good idea.

I'm thinking you should really find out which klipsch speakers you have and post that in the Klipsch thread and see if we can do some tweaks to make it sound it's best.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/65...rs-thread.html

It's a a good idea if it sounds good!

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by Parula

It's a a good idea if it sounds good!

It creates distortion, and I don't think distortion ever sounds good.

[midrange]

I've set all mine to small with Sub to Yes.. Still sounds great.. I just know that when my sub is off being in a apt, its nice to have them on large and the bass the Klipsch creates, sometimes makes me wonder why I have a sub.. Plus i'm the kind of guy where the amount I spent on my speakers, i want to get the most out of them.

[Parula]

You could always lower the crossover frequency on your Klipsch's another 10-20 hz. which will in effect make them full range.

[santis1978]

I have a Sony receiver which allows me to set the high pass crossover on my center , fronts and surrounds . My auto calibration set my fronts( Polk audio LT1 satellites) at 200 Hz my center(Polk audio) to 120hz, which seems high being that its a large high end size speaker which can handle down to 55Hz. And my surrounds at 140Hz, Polk audio satalites as well. My main question is that the manual for the fronts very simply asks to set my crossover at 120Hz. I'm a little lost on what to set the value at. The front Polk speakers say its crossover frequency response is 130Hs-20Khz. Can I have a little advice please?

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by santis1978

I have a Sony receiver which allows me to set the high pass crossover on my center , fronts and surrounds . My auto calibration set my fronts( Polk audio LT1 satellites) at 200 Hz my center(Polk audio) to 120hz, which seems high being that its a large high end size speaker which can handle down to 55Hz. And my surrounds at 140Hz, Polk audio satalites as well. My main question is that the manual for the fronts very simply asks to set my crossover at 120Hz. I'm a little lost on what to set the value at. The front Polk speakers say its crossover frequency response is 130Hs-20Khz. Can I have a little advice please?

1. If you have one or two subwoofers in the room, all your other speakers become SMALL by default.
   
   
2. The performance of speakers is affected by the room, furniture, windows, etc., and their location in the room.
   
   
3. The auto calibration programs do not measure the frequency response of the speakers as measured by the manufacturers. They simply measure the performance of the speakers in the room.
   
   
4. If you move the speakers around (even by a foot or less), the results of the auto calibration program may be different.
   
   
5. It is generally a good idea to set the crossover frequencies of the speakers 10Hz to 20Hz above the minimum frequency response as reported by the manufactures.
   
   
6. Most home subwoofers cannot go beyond 120Hz. Some may go as high as 150Hz. When you set the crossover frequencies of the speakers very high, the bass from those speakers will be redirected to the subwoofer. If the subwoofer has an upper limit of around 130Hz, you will have a problem and need to compromise.

I highly recommend that you read a A Guide to Bass Management (Part I).

[blurayisking]

Gentlemen:

I'm looking for advise on the " best " crossover / speaker setup for the following equipment:


RECEIVER: YAMAHA HTR 6180 (aka 863VX)
FRONTS: AXIOM M50i floor standing + / - 3 dB is 39 Hz to 22KHz
CENTRE: PSB 200ci + / - 3 dB is 68 Hz to 21 KHz
REARS: AXIOM QS4 wall mounted + / - 3 dB is 100 Hz to 22 KHz
SUBWOOFER: POLK AUDIO + / - 34 Hz to 225 Hz (has LFE position to bypass internal crossover which would be the obvious setting for the SUBWOOFER and the SUBWOOFER volume is set at the half-way point before running the YPAO mic setup).

NOTE: cannot adjust crossover for individual speakers

I have run the YAMAHA mic setup numerous times, tried different settings by manually adjusting the speaker size and crossover frequency. The mic setup recommends the FRONTS as large, the CENTER and REARS as small and the crossover set as 160 Hz. That high a crossover frequency is a long way from the generally recommended crossover frequency of 80 Hz. The trouble with that configuration is the subwoofer has no bass when I switch the receiver to play stereo CD music. The subwoofer works much better when playing stereo CD's with the FRONTS set to small and the SUBWOOFER is selected as the designated bass handler. I also play multi-channel SACD with the receiver set as per the mic setup configuration and the FRONTS do offer some audible bass when set to large. The SUBWOOFER performs best when the FRONTS are set to small or the "BOTH " option is selected in the bass management screen in the setup menu.

So, I'd really appeciate any suggestions on the best configuration.

Regards:

blurayisking

[BIslander]

I am not familiar with YPAO. But, you should change all speakers to small. That engages bass management, which is how deep bass gets sent to the sub with CDs, which have no LFE channel. Lowering the crossover also seems like a good idea. 160 may be right for the center and surrounds. But, your L/R speakers likely can handle frequencies lower than that.