What irks you the most with today's movies ( 2000 - present )???

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

Remakes are nothing new, folks. They've been doing it since the beginning of time.

Yeah, but they're making much more now than ever before.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

Teal & Orange.

I agree. I've been seeing a lot of older movies recently and I really like the natural look of '80s and '90s films, the gritty '70s fast film stock look, and the Technicolor look of the 1960s. Digital color grading can be good if done judiciously but I think many movies these days go overboard in that respect causing them all to look the same.

Recently I have found that I really, really like the look of Super 16 film despite its limited resolution. It is a perfect match for Blu-ray (Hurt Locker, Breaking Bad S1, S2, The Walking Dead, etc).

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Originally Posted by octagon

And it's not like the box office smashes of previous decades were all serious adult dramas.

The top grossing films of the 1940s were cartoons (Bambi, Pinochio and Song of the South). So were the top grossing films of the 1950s (Lady and the Tramp, Peter Pan and Cinderella). The top grossing films of the Goldenest of Golden Ages (and I'm actually not saying that sarcastically) were a sci-fi shoot em up, a monster movie and a horror movie (Star Wars, Jaws and The Exorcist).

Sure, one could say the animated features of previous generations were far better movies than the comic book crap of today and black-and-white gangster movies are timeless classic while today's gangster movies are the same comic book crap in a different wrapper and horror movies used to be good and not all this slasher torture porn crap they make today and so forth and so on.

But after a while that all sounds like it should start with 'I tell ya, these kids today, with metal sticking out of their faces and their hippity-hop music...', doesn't it?

For my money, the good old days were pretty damn good but they weren't all good and the best of previous eras weren't all that different from the best current films and current filmmaking is not the vaccuous wasteland a lot of people like to think it is.

But in the '40s there were also far more movies for adults, and a lot of them had tragic endings. There were also a lot of movies were the protagonist had to make a tough choice that would result in real consequences -- even in fluff like Casablanca, for instance. Hell, even Pinocchio has to make sacrifices and tough choices. Any kids' movies like that today? Any movies for adults like that today? Every character gets their wishes fulfilled in movies nowadays. Even a so-called genius like Tarantino has been making his own versions of feel-good, wish fulfillment fairy tales, like Inglourious Basterds and Django. (How far he's come from the days of Reservoir Dogs.) Yet people claim he supposedly makes movies like they did in the '70s!

It's a different era where audiences are sent home feeling comforted, and no challanging notions are raised.

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by mlittle3

Rotten Tomatoes and the cult of consensus.
Fanboy movies like Scott Pilgrim made only for fanboys
Joss Whedon
Indie films with terrible cinematography
Bad studio horror films (I like the Paranormal activity series)
Converted 3D films (I am looking at you Captain America)
Too many superhero films with generic stories and characters
Dumb comedies and chick flicks abound
The Internet

Joss Whedon?

[srinivas1015]

Originally Posted by mlittle3

Rotten Tomatoes and the cult of consensus.
Fanboy movies like Scott Pilgrim made only for fanboys
Joss Whedon
Indie films with terrible cinematography
Bad studio horror films (I like the Paranormal activity series)
Converted 3D films (I am looking at you Captain America)
Too many superhero films with generic stories and characters
Dumb comedies and chick flicks abound
The Internet

Joss Whedon - The guy who is responsible for Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Dollhouse, Cabin In The Woods, Firefly and The Avengers... Why?

Converted 3D films - Most of them(Avengers, Titanic, Star Trek Into Darkness,Captain America) are on par or better than some native titles. In any case, a converted movie still looks better than every 3D movie produced in before 2000 as they had no way to control the foreground placement,parallax, etc.

Superhero films with generic characters - That's an issue you're gonna have to take up with the comic book writers .

The Internet - Do you mean that too much discussion and spoilers are ruining the fun? personally, I enjoy the entire experience. This may be weird but I enjoy speculation and analysing the trailers more than watching the movie itself . This is why I enjoyed Prometheus more than I probably should have..

[Shanester]

The 70's was the best decade for American cinema by far imo and the thing I miss the most is taking time to tell the story and let characters grow on the audience like in The Godfather and The Deer Hunter.

A lot of films today seemed rushed story wise with endless quick cuts for the MTV generation

[The Great Owl]

All of the documentaries that want me to stop eating meat. (I'm laughing while I write this, but the documentaries are annoying.)

I was tempted to list 3D movies, because I have lazy eye in my right eye and, therefore, cannot experience the full effect of these movies. That's my problem, though, and I'm all for filmmakers finding creative ways to bring a story to the screen by whatever means available. As long as I can see the respective films in 2D, I'm cool with the trend.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by tigertron

I hate:

Shaky cams
Camera angles changing every few seconds
Quiet dialogue where I have to put the volume right up
Guns that sound pathetic. Bring back the 80s/90s sounding guns, BOOM!
Teal tints
3D

I thought I was the only one! I have auto calibration on my home theater. It works pretty darn well except for the center speaker, which is NEVER loud enough. I always have to turn volume way up to hear dialogue and then back down during action scenes. It's very annoying.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by J. J. Hunsecker

But in the '40s there were also far more movies for adults, and a lot of them had tragic endings. There were also a lot of movies were the protagonist had to make a tough choice that would result in real consequences -- even in fluff like Casablanca, for instance. Hell, even Pinocchio has to make sacrifices and tough choices. Any kids' movies like that today? Any movies for adults like that today? Every character gets their wishes fulfilled in movies nowadays. Even a so-called genius like Tarantino has been making his own versions of feel-good, wish fulfillment fairy tales, like Inglourious Basterds and Django. (How far he's come from the days of Reservoir Dogs.) Yet people claim he supposedly makes movies like they did in the '70s!

It's a different era where audiences are sent home feeling comforted, and no challanging notions are raised.

These are just a few of the 'feel good/wish fulfilment' movies I own from the last decade or so...

Moon
Gone Baby Gone
Brokeback Mountain
The Wrestler
Melancholia
Young Adult
Chronicle
Carnage
We Need to Talk About Kevin
Martha Marcy May Marlene
Bellflower
Winter's Bone
Never Let Me Go

Now, you will likely say something along the lines of 'well, those are the exceptions' to which I will quite reasonably respond 'indeed they are'.

Unsettling, challenging, thoughtful, adult movies have always been the exception. Have some periods produced more than their share of these types of movies? Sure.

But so what?

Thoughtful movies are still being made. Unsettling, challenging movies are still being made. Are people flocking to them? No. Are their posters plastered all over every bus stop and subway station? No. Is the precise ratio of crap/thoughtful the same today as twenty or forty or sixty or eighty years ago? I don't know, probably not.

But so what?

Good movies are still being made and I still get to see them.

That's pretty much the case I've been making here.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

Teal & Orange.

I was waiting for that. LOL

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Gaius Marius

I think what bothers me is a general lack of creativity.

Were are the truly mind-bending sci-fi?

Triangle (2009)

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

The Wrestler is simply another one of Aronofski's poseur flicks whose entire reason for existence is his desire to be seen as some kind of artiste. I don't consider it a genuine, sincere effort in the vein of a Bergman or Cassavetes. I don't even really dig Cassavetes, but at least he believed in what he was doing.

Why do you believe that Aronofsky wasnt truly passionate about The Wrestler, or believe in what he was doing? Why do you believe that it was an ego film?

[Monkey]

That lack of evolution in the technology used. Juddery panning shots due to low frame rate of 24fps. The time for a new standard is well overdue. They've made leaps and bounds in sound design, time for the visuals to move forward as well in immersion factor.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by octagon

These are just a few of the 'feel good/wish fulfilment' movies I own from the last decade or so...

[Show spoiler]Moon
Gone Baby Gone
Brokeback Mountain
The Wrestler
Melancholia
Young Adult
Chronicle
Carnage
We Need to Talk About Kevin
Martha Marcy May Marlene
Bellflower
Winter's Bone
Never Let Me Go

Now, you will likely say something along the lines of 'well, those are the exceptions' to which I will quite reasonably respond 'indeed they are'.

Unsettling, challenging, thoughtful, adult movies have always been the exception. Have some periods produced more than their share of these types of movies? Sure.

But so what?

Thoughtful movies are still being made. Unsettling, challenging movies are still being made. Are people flocking to them? No. Are their posters plastered all over every bus stop and subway station? No. Is the precise ratio of crap/thoughtful the same today as twenty or forty or sixty or eighty years ago? I don't know, probably not.

But so what?

Good movies are still being made and I still get to see them.

That's pretty much the case I've been making here.

Strongly agree.

May I add a few light, fluffy, and happy films?

The Diving Bell and the Butterfly
Dancer in the Dark
Doubt
Requien for a Dream
The Snow Walker
Black Swan
The Fall
The Fountain
Pan's Labrynth
The Assasination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Into the Wild
Cast Away
Hard Cany
In the Valley of Ellah
Transsiberean
9
The Road
American Psycho
Sideways
Gladiator
Momento
My Dog Skip
The Patriot
The Family Stone
A History of violence
Kingdom of Heaven (Directors cut)
The Proposition
Apocalypto
Children of Men
The Mist
The Orphanage
Triangle
Frozen
127 Hours
Rabbit Hole
Burried
The Boy in the Striped Pajamas
Frozen River
Maria Full of Grace
House of Sand and Fog
Everlasting Moments
Antichrist
Departures
Revanche
Monster
City of God
Sin Nombre
Waltz With Bashir
Brothers
An American Crime
Candy
The Kite Runner
The Lives of others
Tipping the Velvet

Every decade has had an abundance of crap, average, and excellent films. Now is no different IMO.

Lets not forget that the 1940s were stuffed with ridiculous comedies and some really silly musicals.

And the 1970s were as bloated with crap as they were with greats. For every "The Deer Hunter" or "Papillon" there was a "Mother Jugs and Speed". In fact, the 70's may have provided us with the greatest dose of cheese ever.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Strongly agree.

May I add a few light, fluffy, and happy films?

The Diving Bell and the Butterfly
Dancer in the Dark
Doubt
Requien for a Dream
The Snow Walker
Black Swan
The Fall
The Fountain
Pan's Labrynth
The Assasination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Into the Wild
Cast Away
Hard Cany
In the Valley of Ellah
Transsiberean
9
The Road
American Psycho
Sideways
Gladiator
Momento
My Dog Skip
The Patriot
The Family Stone
A History of violence
Kingdom of Heaven (Directors cut)
The Proposition
Apocalypto
Children of Men
The Mist
The Orphanage
Triangle
Frozen
127 Hours
Rabbit Hole
Burried
The Boy in the Striped Pajamas
Frozen River
Maria Full of Grace
House of Sand and Fog
Everlasting Moments
Antichrist
Departures
Revanche
Monster
City of God
Sin Nombre
Waltz With Bashir
Brothers
An American Crime
Candy
The Kite Runner
The Lives of others
Tipping the Velvet

Every decade has had an abundance of crap, average, and excellent films. Now is no different IMO.

Lets not forget that the 1940s were stuffed with ridiculous comedies and some really silly musicals.

And the 1970s were as bloated with crap as they were with greats. For every "The Deer Hunter" or "Papillon" there was a "Mother Jugs and Speed". In fact, the 70's may have provided us with the greatest dose of cheese ever.

A lot of those I don't even consider real movies...more like indy ghetto video verite crap or nihilist hipster ******y or some combination thereof by people who would otherwise be waiting tables (Lars Von Trier, Darren Aronofski, John Hillcoat, Micheal Haneke, and whatever hack wrote/directed We Need To Talk About Kevin, I'm looking at you). Be truthful now, did you actually enjoy watching most of these? Does a single one of those even come close to the honesty, artistry, and humanism of even a lesser Bergman film like say, Autumn Sonata? I keep seeing "all eras have great stuff and bad stuff" and then those folks will crap out a list like the above like it proves some kind of point. Most of that list sucks so bad they just plain don't count, by default. Fashionable negativism isn't automatically great art. I'd argue it's more adolescent than these big-budget comic book movies.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

A lot of those I don't even consider real movies...more like indy ghetto video verite crap or nihilist hipster ******y or some combination thereof by people who would otherwise be waiting tables (Lars Von Trier, Darren Aronofski, John Hillcoat, Micheal Haneke, and whatever hack wrote/directed We Need To Talk About Kevin, I'm looking at you). Be truthful now, did you actually enjoy watching most of these? Does a single one of those even come close to the honesty, artistry, and humanism of even a lesser Bergman film like say, Autumn Sonata? I keep seeing "all eras have great stuff and bad stuff" and then those folks will crap out a list like the above like it proves some kind of point. Most of that list sucks so bad they just plain don't count, by default. Fashionable negativism isn't automatically great art. I'd argue it's more adolescent than these big-budget comic book movies.

Fashionable negativism. Now thats funny. Try as you may, you cant make your opinion into fact.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by octagon

And I'll stand by my contention that there are still a lot of similarities between what people used to see and what they see now.

http://www.filmsite.org/boxoffice2.html

1. Star Wars (1977)
2. Jaws (1975)
3.The Exorcist (1973)
4.Grease (1978)
5.The Sting (1973)
6.National Lampoon's Animal House (1978)
7. The Godfather (1972)
8.Superman (1978)
9.Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977/80)
10.Smokey and the Bandit (1977)
11.Blazing Saddles (1974)
12.Rocky (1976)
13.The Towering Inferno (1974)
14.The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)
15.Kramer vs. Kramer (1979)


1.Avatar (2009)
2.The Dark Knight (2008)
3.Shrek 2 (2004)
4.Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006)
5.Spider-Man (2002)
6.Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (2009)
7.Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005)
8.The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
9.Spider-Man 2 (2004)
10.The Passion of the Christ (2004)

One could (fairly easily, I would think) argue that the bulk of the 70s films are much better than their counterparts from the 2000s but I don't really see a lot of stark demographic differences.

Grease? Smokey and the Bandit? Animal House? Really?

Take The Godfather (and maybe The Sting, though I'm not entirely sure why I think that) off that list and how many of the 70s films weren't aimed squarely at the late teen/twentysomething market?

I dunno, I'm just not seeing it.

Maybe this will help. The following are the top grossing movies of 1965 through 1979 per wikipedia. Movies marked "X" are what I would consider adult movies (and no, I don't think deep throat and the devil in ms jones really qualifies for this argument but they were there so I went with it). There are # and % subtotals after each list:

1965
1 The Sound of Music
2 Doctor Zhivago X
3 Thunderball
4 Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines
5 That Darn Cat
6 The Great Race
7 Cat Ballou X
8 What's New Pussycat? X
9 Shenandoah X
10 Von Ryan's Express X


5
50%

1966
1 The Bible: In the Beginning
2 Hawaii X
3 Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? X
4 The Sand Pebbles X
5 A Man For All Seasons X
6 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly X
7 Lt. Robin Crusoe, U.S.N.
8 The Russians are Coming, the Russians are Coming! X
9 Grand Prix X
10 The Professionals X
11 Alfie X
12 Georgy Girl X

10
83%

1967
1 The Graduate X
2 The Jungle Book
3 Guess Who's Coming to Dinner X
4 Bonnie and Clyde X
5 The Dirty Dozen X
6 Valley of the Dolls X
7 You Only Live Twice
8 To Sir, with Love X
9 The Born Losers X
10 Thoroughly Modern Millie X
11 Camelot X
12 The Good, the Bad and the Ugly X
13 In the Heat of the Night X
14 Casino Royale
15 I Am Curious (Yellow) X
16 Barefoot in the Park X
17 Wait Until Dark X
18 Cool Hand Luke X
19 In Cold Blood X
20. (tie) Hombre X
20. (tie) Divorce American Style X
21 In Like Flint
22 The Trip
23 Doctor Dolittle

18
75%

1968
1 2001: A Space Odyssey X
2 Funny Girl X
3 The Love Bug
4 The Odd Couple X
5 Bullitt X
6 Romeo and Juliet X
7 Oliver!
8 Rosemary's Baby X
9 Planet of the Apes
10 Night of the Living Dead X
11 Yours, Mine, and Ours X
12 The Lion in Winter X
13 The Green Berets X
14 Blackbeard's Ghost
15 The Fox X
16 The Boston Strangler X
17 Candy X
18 Charly X
19 The Thomas Crown Affair X
20 Bandolero! X

16
80%

1969
1 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid X
2 Midnight Cowboy X
3 Easy Rider X
4 Hello, Dolly! X
5 Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice X
6 Paint Your Wagon X
7 True Grit X
8 Cactus Flower X
9 Goodbye, Columbus X
10 On Her Majesty's Secret Service
11 Winning X
12 Z X
13 The Sterile Cuckoo X
14 The Stewardesses X
15 Run, Angel, Run! X
16 They Shoot Horses, Don't They? X
17 The Wild Bunch X
18. (tie) Sweet Charity X
18. (tie) The Undefeated X
20 Where Eagles Dare X
21 Alice's Restaurant X

20
95%

1970
1 Love Story X
2 Airport X
3 MASH X
4 Patton X
5 The Aristocats
6 Woodstock X
7 Little Big Man X
8 Ryan's Daughter X
9 Tora! Tora! Tora! X
10 Chariots of the Gods X
11 Catch-22 X
12 The Owl and the Pussycat X
13 Joe X
14 Beneath the Planet of the Apes
15 The Boatniks X
16 Five Easy Pieces X
17 Ann and Eve X
18 Beyond the Valley of the Dolls X
19 Chisum X
20 Kelly's Heroes X

18
90%

1971
1 Fiddler on the Roof X
2 The French Connection X
3 Diamonds Are Forever
4 Dirty Harry X
5 Summer of '42 X
6 The Last Picture Show X
7 Carnal Knowledge X
8 A Clockwork Orange X
9 Bedknobs and Broomsticks
10 Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song X
11 Willard
12 The Hospital X
13 Shaft X
14 Klute X
15 The Andromeda Strain X
16 Escape from the Planet of the Apes
17 Straw Dogs X
18 Cold Turkey X
19 Play Misty for Me X
20 The Big Doll House X
21 McCabe & Mrs. Miller X
22 Big Jake X

18
82%

1972
1 The Godfather X
2 The Poseidon Adventure
3 What's Up, Doc? X
4 Behind the Green Door X
5 Deliverance X
6 Deep Throat X
7 Jeremiah Johnson X
8 Cabaret X
9 The Getaway X
10 Fritz the Cat X
11 The Legend of Boggy Creek X
12 Lady Sings the Blues X
13 Everything You Always Wanted to Know... X
14 The Valachi Papers X
15 Sounder
16 The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean X
17 Pete 'n' Tillie X
18 Frenzy X
19. (tie) Shaft's Big Score! X
19. (tie) Across 110th Street X
20 Conquest of the Planet of the Apes
21 The Cowboys X

19
90%

1973
1 The Exorcist X
2 The Sting X
3 American Graffiti X
4 Papillon X
5 The Way We Were X
6 Magnum Force X
7 Last Tango in Paris X
8 Live and Let Die
9 Robin Hood
10 Paper Moon X
11.[11] The Devil in Miss Jones X
12 Serpico X
13 Enter the Dragon X
14 Jesus Christ Superstar X
15 Walking Tall X
16 The World's Greatest Athlete
17 Sleeper X
18 A Touch of Class X
19 The Day of the Jackal X
20 The Last Detail X
21 Battle for the Planet of the Apes

17
81%

1974
1 Blazing Saddles X
2 The Towering Inferno
3 Young Frankenstein
4 Earthquake
5 The Godfather Part II X
6 Airport 1975
7 The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams
8 The Longest Yard X
9 Benji
10 Herbie Rides Again
11 Murder on the Orient Express X
12 The Texas Chain Saw Massacre X
13 Freebie and the Bean X
14 Chinatown X
15 Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry X
16 The Great Gatsby X
17 Thunderbolt and Lightfoot X
18 Death Wish X
19 The Man with the Golden Gun
20 The Groove Tube X
21 That's Entertainment!
22 Macon County Line X
23 Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore X
24 The Front Page X

15
63%

1975
1 Jaws X
2 The Rocky Horror Picture Show*
3 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest X
4 Dog Day Afternoon X
5 Shampoo X
6 The Return of the Pink Panther
7 Three Days of the Condor X
8 Funny Lady X
9 The Apple Dumpling Gang
10 Aloha, Bobby and Rose X
11 The Other Side of the Mountain X
12 Tommy
13 The Adventures of the Wilderness Family
14 Rollerball X
15 The Hindenburg X
16 Lucky Lady X
17 The Great Waldo Pepper X
18 Love and Death X
19. (tie) Barry Lyndon X
19. (tie) The Adventure of Sherlock Holmes' Smarter Brother X
21. (tie) Supervixens X
21. (tie) W.W. and the Dixie Dancekings X
23 Breakout X
24 The Eiger Sanction X
25 French Connection II X
26 Race with the Devil X
27 Bite the Bullet X
28 Nashville X

23
82%

1976
1 Rocky X
2 To Fly!
3 A Star Is Born X
4 All the President's Men X
5 The Omen X
6 In Search of Noah's Ark
7 King Kong
8 Silver Streak X
9 The Enforcer X
10 Midway X
11 The Bad News Bears
12 Silent Movie X
13 The Pink Panther Strikes Again
14 Carrie X
15 Murder by Death X
16 The Outlaw Josey Wales X
17 Taxi Driver X
18 Marathon Man X
19 Freaky Friday
20 Logan's Run
21 Network X

14
67%

1977
1 Star Wars*
2 Close Encounters of the Third Kind* X
3 Saturday Night Fever X
4 Smokey and the Bandit* X
5 The Goodbye Girl X
6 The Rescuers*
7 Oh, God!
8 A Bridge Too Far X
9 The Deep X
10 The Spy Who Loved Me
11 Annie Hall X
12 Semi-Tough X
13 Pete's Dragon
14 The Gauntlet X
15 The Turning Point X
16 Heroes X
17 High Anxiety X
18 Exorcist II: The Heretic X
19 Airport '77
20 Herbie Goes to Monte Carlo*
21 Slap Shot X

14
67%

1978
1 Grease
2 Superman
3 Animal House
4 Every Which Way but Loose X
5 Heaven Can Wait X
6 Hooper X
7 Jaws 2 X
8 Halloween X
9 Dawn of the Dead X
10 The Deer Hunter X
11 Revenge of the Pink Panther
12 Convoy X
13 Foul Play X
14 The End X
15 Up in Smoke X
16 California Suite X
17 Midnight Express X
18 Coming Home X
19 The Lord of the Rings
20 House Calls X
21 The Cheap Detective X
22 Damien: Omen II X
23 Invasion of the Body Snatchers X
24 An Unmarried Woman X

19
79%

1979
1 Kramer vs. Kramer X
2 The Amityville Horror X
3 Rocky II X
4 Apocalypse Now X
5 Star Trek: The Motion Picture
6 Alien X
7 The Muppet Movie
8 10 X
9 The Jerk X
10 Moonraker
11 The Electric Horseman X
12 The China Syndrome X
13 Love at First Bite X
14 Meatballs
15 Escape from Alcatraz X
16 The Main Event X
17 Manhattan X
18. (tie) Starting Over X
18. (tie) The In-Laws X
20 All That Jazz X
21 The Black Stallion
22 The Black Hole
23 1941
24 ...And Justice for All X

17
71%

[necorbin]

I can agree with most of what has been said.... My biggest gripe is the lack of originality. Hollywood today is all about playing it safe by doing remakes or reboots. Give us original stories, original scores, and less freaking CGI!

Sent from my Galaxy S3

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

Maybe this will help.

So We Need to Talk About Kevin and The Wrestler just plain don't count by default but you consider Every Which Way But Loose and Love at First Bite adult movies?

That does help.

Quite a bit, actually.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by octagon

So We Need to Talk About Kevin and The Wrestler just plain don't count by default but you consider Every Which Way But Loose and Love at First Bite adult movies?

That does help.

Quite a bit, actually.

Just as expected, right into the picking of nits. Yes, I rushed a bit and given a bit more thought I probably would have left them out. But, even though kids might have liked them they are indeed movies which contain adult situations aimed at a broad adult audience. They may not be great works of art but neither do they wallow in harshly exaggerated nihilism of those two "movies" which all too transparently try to trade on some kind of indy street cred rather than just being sincere and heartfelt stories.