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Old 12-26-2012, 08:27 PM   #2321
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So your fine with all new sound effects that were recorded nearly 20 years later just because its in surround? That seems illogical to me, like bboisvert said, its like an audio remake. Its not so much about preference as it is about accuracy and respect. You can still prefer the 5.1 remix, that's your choice, but the mono for better or for worse should always been there.

Anyway, the point is its important to preserve the film the way it was when it first came out because that's apart of its history that should be at least available to the consumer. What's wrong with including the mono mix in the audio menu? I would have thought supplying more options would be beneficial even to the most ignorant oblivious of fans.
It would have been nice to have the original mono track lossless.

I wasn't around when the film came out and I don't remember how it sounded back when it first came out so the new track doesn't distract me from enjoying the movie, there is nothing illogical about it. Don't have any BD/DVDs of films that don't have the original mono track and still enjoy watching it. I had a look at your profile but you don't seem to have a record of what you have, only a little blurb on the bottom of your posts showing how many BD/DVDs you have (your not ashamed of your collection are you? ) so obviously I could be completely wrong.

What do you mean about accuracy? Are you referring that the guns sound like the real guns in the original mono track as opposed to the new one?



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Old 12-26-2012, 09:12 PM   #2322
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It would have been nice to have the original mono track lossless.

I wasn't around when the film came out and I don't remember how it sounded back when it first came out so the new track doesn't distract me from enjoying the movie, there is nothing illogical about it. Don't have any BD/DVDs of films that don't have the original mono track and still enjoy watching it. I had a look at your profile but you don't seem to have a record of what you have, only a little blurb on the bottom of your posts showing how many BD/DVDs you have (your not ashamed of your collection are you? ) so obviously I could be completely wrong.

What do you mean about accuracy? Are you referring that the guns sound like the real guns in the original mono track as opposed to the new one?



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Old 12-26-2012, 11:44 PM   #2323
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It would have been nice to have the original mono track lossless.

I wasn't around when the film came out and I don't remember how it sounded back when it first came out so the new track doesn't distract me from enjoying the movie, there is nothing illogical about it. Don't have any BD/DVDs of films that don't have the original mono track and still enjoy watching it. I had a look at your profile but you don't seem to have a record of what you have, only a little blurb on the bottom of your posts showing how many BD/DVDs you have (your not ashamed of your collection are you? ) so obviously I could be completely wrong.

What do you mean about accuracy? Are you referring that the guns sound like the real guns in the original mono track as opposed to the new one?



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I wasn't around either when the film came out, in fact I was born only a couple of mouths before T2 debuted in theatres here in Austarila, but even so, age or upbringing of the film has little to do with historical preservation which is what the mono track represents. Now admittedly I grew up watching the film on a VHS TV recording which had the mono audio in tact, but even if say I wasn't aware about it or I grew up with the DVD which the majority of kids are today, its still of vidal importance to at the very least have the unaltered audio mix available in the menu. This really should be compulsory because what ends up happening is that apart of the film's soul, its integrity and apart of its history is deleted/altered just to cattle in to modernization. The Terminator was made in 1984, it wasn't made in 2001, changing a key element of its production so drastically while also not providing the option of its theoretical 1984 state is almost as bad as what Lucus did to Star Wars and what Spielberg was doing to ET before coming to his senses.

What I mean by accuracy is as close to the orignal theoretical sounds people heard in theatres back in 1984. That's what was recorded, that's what was edited. The reasons for why they went with mono sound like budgeting limitations are irrelevant because at the end of the day, The Terminator was an old low budget film which should accurately reflect as such today. Subjectively or not, the 5.1 remix is also a downgrade in many instances in terms of impact and sheer volume which the mono track provides in spades.

Also the reason I haven't put up my collection of DVDs/Blu-Rays on the side is because A: I don't know how to do it and B: I don't feel like going through all my DVD's to put up because there are too many. I might consider putting up just my Blu-Ray's but as I said, I don't know how hence why I just have a simple count in my signature.

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Old 12-27-2012, 12:55 AM   #2324
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:06 AM   #2325
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I wasn't around either when the film came out, in fact I was born only a couple of mouths before T2 debuted in theatres here in Austarila, but even so, age or upbringing of the film has little to do with historical preservation which is what the mono track represents. Now admittedly I grew up watching the film on a VHS TV recording which had the mono audio in tact, but even if say I wasn't aware about it or I grew up with the DVD which the majority of kids are today, its still of vidal importance to at the very least have the unaltered audio mix available in the menu. This really should be compulsory because what ends up happening is that apart of the film's soul, its integrity and apart of its history is deleted/altered just to cattle in to modernization. The Terminator was made in 1984, it wasn't made in 2001, changing a key element of its production so drastically while also not providing the option of its theoretical 1984 state is almost as bad as what Lucus did to Star Wars and what Spielberg was doing to ET before coming to his senses.

What I mean by accuracy is as close to the orignal theoretical sounds people heard in theatres back in 1984. That's what was recorded, that's what was edited. The reasons for why they went with mono sound like budgeting limitations are irrelevant because at the end of the day, The Terminator was an old low budget film which should accurately reflect as such today. Subjectively or not, the 5.1 remix is also a downgrade in many instances in terms of impact and sheer volume which the mono track provides in spades.

Also the reason I haven't put up my collection of DVDs/Blu-Rays on the side is because A: I don't know how to do it and B: I don't feel like going through all my DVD's to put up because there are too many. I might consider putting up just my Blu-Ray's but as I said, I don't know how hence why I just have a simple count in my signature.
I am one of those guys who generally prefer the newer multichannel mixes for most movies, but I think the original audio should always be included on all blu-rays in HD audio. Most older movies only have one or two channels, so it wouldn't take up hardly any disc space, and the original mixes are pretty much a done deal, so there would be very little effort put into including it. Even for guys like me who prefer the newer multichannel mixes, it would be a fun and interesting option to be able to compare the two on the disc, or even watch the whole movie with one mix and then the other. If nothing else, it would be a nice bonus feature for someone like me, while delighting all of the audio purists. I really don't see why they don't include it. Maybe a double-dip ace up their sleeve?

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Old 12-27-2012, 01:18 AM   #2326
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Why, is his view the only one that counts.
I happen to agree with a lot of his reviews or takes on discs although I will still get this and see for myself as it will be an upgrade over the original disc and the best it will ever look in 1080p.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:22 AM   #2327
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it isn't and it shouldn't be
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:20 AM   #2328
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I am one of those guys who generally prefer the newer multichannel mixes for most movies, but I think the original audio should always be included on all blu-rays in HD audio. Most older movies only have one or two channels, so it wouldn't take up hardly any disc space, and the original mixes are pretty much a done deal, so there would be very little effort put into including it. Even for guys like me who prefer the newer multichannel mixes, it would be a fun and interesting option to be able to compare the two on the disc, or even watch the whole movie with one mix and then the other. If nothing else, it would be a nice bonus feature for someone like me, while delighting all of the audio purists. I really don't see why they don't include it. Maybe a double-dip ace up their sleeve?

If you go to the homepage or any movie page on this site and type in the blu-ray that you want to add to your collection, a list of matching titles will pop up. You can go over to the picture next to the correct one and select "Add To My Collection" or "Add To My Wishlist". You can also go to the page of the movie you are wanting to add, and it will have the options under the title cover picture. Once you've added them, when you are on the homepage, you can see on the right side where it says "My BDs", and it will show how many you have. This feature is very handy to keep track of all of your movies. You can also go to preferences and select unique skus (will count a boxset as one) or unique movies (counts each movie individually).
Exactly. You can prefer the multi-channel surround sound audio tracks all you want, that's a matter of preference, but the inclusion of the mono track is not only important for historical reasons but would actuelly satisfy everyone from the purists to the less aware who might want to experiment watching the film with a different track for a different experience the next time he or she goes to watch it. Everybody wins. More options are better. Also, as for the 5.1 remix, I'm betting that most wouldn't quite hate it so much if it didn't virtually replace all the SFX with new additions that were both shot almost 20 years later and were inferior to their mono counterparts. If they wanted to create a 5.1 remix, maybe converting the orignal mono audio with the sounds in tact to surround mode would have been more welcome since something like that would be a respectful upgrade.

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Old 12-27-2012, 09:10 AM   #2329
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That was a rhetorical question. Do you know what rhetorical means Villiam? Maybe you should look it up.
Maybe you shouldn't have attempted to answer my question as I think I already know the answer.
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sure it didn't happen lol
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Is there any chance we get a steelbook release similar to the European editions?
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Is there any chance we get a steelbook release similar to the European editions?
If by 'we' you mean the United States, I would place those chances at about 0.000003%.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:41 AM   #2335
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Saw this last night! Effin yeah!

Loved the audio track too. So worth the 2 month wait until I could be back in the city and watching it on a good setup
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Agreed. I don't understand the people who just don't get that most people want the original theatrical releases for the majority of their collections. It's the way the film was originally intended to look and sound and how people first saw it.

I have no problem with any director wanting to change his work, rework scenes, add new artwork, but they should always present this as a supplement to the original theatrical release.

It's not even a generational thing. I never experienced Terminator in theaters, I wasn't born then. I don't know the difference between the mono track and the 5.1 surround track. All I know is, there are people who heard the original track at some point, that it's the original audio track that was in theaters, and so they should have a choice of whether or not they want to listen to it or something else.
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As I have said before I like the 5.1 mix but of course the mono track should have been included.
What I don't get it that it seem's to be this release more than any other with this disagreement involving the audio.
I watched The Sting yesterday,a film which won 7 academy awards but the only English track on that was a dts hd-ma 5.1
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Agreed. I don't understand the people who just don't get that most people want the original theatrical releases for the majority of their collections. It's the way the film was originally intended to look and sound and how people first saw it.

I have no problem with any director wanting to change his work, rework scenes, add new artwork, but they should always present this as a supplement to the original theatrical release.

It's not even a generational thing. I never experienced Terminator in theaters, I wasn't born then. I don't know the difference between the mono track and the 5.1 surround track. All I know is, there are people who heard the original track at some point, that it's the original audio track that was in theaters, and so they should have a choice of whether or not they want to listen to it or something else.
I'm not so sure about that. It seems the majority love extended and director's cut editions over the original theatrical release. Personally I tend to prefer the theatrical edition, but I feel that I'm in the minority.
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I'm not so sure about that. It seems the majority love extended and director's cut editions over the original theatrical release. Personally I tend to prefer the theatrical edition, but I feel that I'm in the minority.
Aside from the Lucas-loving Star Wars fans, I don't know of any films where people prefer altered/director's cuts. And even those that do would want to have the original theatrical cuts made available to everyone.
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